Here's a bit of curiosity. GT Spirit is reporting that Audi has pulled the manual gearbox option for both the S4 and the S5 in Europe. The news comes courtesy of Fourtitude, who spoke with Barry Hoch, the product planning manager for Audi of America. Hoch said that while the sportier Audi models will lose their third pedal in the EU, American buyers will still be able to row their own gears.

Why would Audi abandon the manual transmission? The company's DSG gearbox offers plenty quick shifts with improved fuel economy, constant application of power and a hefty convenience factor, but Europeans have traditionally been more excited about swapping their own gears than their American counterparts.

Of course, if true, this begs the question about the longevity of manual gearboxes on Audi models in the States. While it looks as if they'll hang around on the S4 and S5 for a time longer, we have to imagine that it won't be long before the automaker thins the option sheet for its American wares, as well.


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      th0mb0ne
      • 3 Years Ago
      it's a self fulfilling prophecy....less people drive manuals because less cars have manuals...ensuring that even less people know how to drive manuals, ensuring that there is even less demand for them. ugh....
        Mazdaspeed6
        • 3 Years Ago
        @th0mb0ne
        How about manuals are a lot less convenient and don't offer any performance gains nowadays and typically aren't even that much cheaper. And lots of manuals aren't even fun to operate. The market dictates what sells, not companies.
          Christopher Anderson
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Mazdaspeed6
          It's $1200 cheaper on the S5 to get a manual. I'd call that significantly cheaper. And it's more fun. On the street, I'm not going to miss 2 tenths of a second, but I will miss that connection with my car.
          IBx27
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Mazdaspeed6
          Manuals aren't fun to operate? Maybe if you drive a hyundai or a toyota. Do you know how to drive stick, serious question?
          LEDfoot
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Mazdaspeed6
          Not much cheaper? Maybe you want to revisit that statement when you have to replace your entire dual-clutch unit for something that would have been repairable for a few hundred bucks with a manual transmission...
      Christopher Anderson
      • 3 Years Ago
      Remember: the U.S. market was the only one to get a manual M5 and the same is true for the new M5. Enthusiasts here like manuals.
        Rob Cook
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Christopher Anderson
        No enthusiasts here have some masochistic-macho relationship with the manual, it's a penis thing. If you don't have a manual in your high-po car then your a wuss cause you can't handle it. Fact is that and BMW and Audi both agree that the auto is a better transmission for performance and efficiency. What blows me away is that the M5/S4/S5 are performance cars, why would you buy a performance car and they specifically remove performance? F1 specifically banned automatics as they were too fast, if F1 bans something on performance grounds well that's more than enough to tell me that the manual is dead.
          DarwinianReject
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Rob Cook
          I don't think choosing a manual over auto has anything to do with the size of one's penis. Perhaps you are projecting. It has everything to do with how different (and subjectively better) it feels to shift yourself vs. driving the same car with auto. Whether it is a Chevy Aveo, or an Porsche 911 Turbo, I'd go with the manual every time. Call my dick little all you want. But while you're thinking about my penis (I'm flattered, by the way), I'm enjoying my time on the road more than I would in a car with fewer pedals.
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Rob Cook
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      You guy
      • 3 Years Ago
      SAVE THE MANUALS!
      Saracen
      • 3 Years Ago
      You like your dual clutch gearboxes. Fine. You like to talk shot about how manual gearboxes are dying out. Fine, I don't care about your opinion. I don't need to explain the reasons why I want a manual gearbox to you. It's what I want to drive. It's as simple as that.
        SloopJohnB
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Saracen
        Fine. But your wants don't amount to a hill of beans unless you have enough other wanters to make an economic case for designing and certifying cars with manual transmissions for the states. I want to do a certain supermodel too...but I can't make an economic case for it.
      IBx27
      • 3 Years Ago
      What the flarp? Europe's model doesn't get a manual, while the US model does? It seems the cams have turned.
      Dan S
      • 3 Years Ago
      One of the must fulfilling moments in recent history was really getting the hang of rev-matching in an old Mini Clubman GT. I prefer my manuals. For all the mild inconvenience of gridlock (which I don't find myself in very often), they also give me the opportunity to actually drive around hazards on the road, help take the pressure of my ABS during sudden braking and just make driving the car far more engaging. If I want an automatic experience or feel lazy, I can just quick-shift to fourth and leave it there until I get down to under 20kmh. But the biggest impact it has for me is being confident I know exactly what the car is going to do next, which is only what I tell it to do.
      Paul M
      • 3 Years Ago
      I've owned 14 cars so far in my life. Of those, 1 was a traditional automatic, 1 was a DSG. Both were horrible mistakes. I will never own another non-manual car as long as I still have arms and legs. Any car maker that refuses to offer their vehicles with traditional manual transmissions will lose me and people like me (including my wife) as potential buyers. A smart move there, Audi America... dodged a bullet there.
      Bret Frohwein
      • 3 Years Ago
      Really?! Wow, I would've thought the Europeans would never get rid of Manuals. Most of my friends from there think we're all lazy over here for having so many Automatics.. Although even the topgear boys have warmed up to "flappy paddle" gearboxes. Still surprising to read.
      SPG1
      • 3 Years Ago
      savor the ability to row your ass down to road...automatics are taking over...its a shame
      Speed Devil
      • 3 Years Ago
      Damn, such a shame ><; How long does the US have left before Audi pulls the 3rd pedal from our S4&5 now?
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Speed Devil
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      daaviator22
      • 3 Years Ago
      Porsche and GM said that they will continue to provide manual as long there is a demand for it. I think manual should at least be an option on high performance cars. What's the point of driving a high performance car if the computer has all the phone.
        Agilis
        • 3 Years Ago
        @daaviator22
        I would think the higher the performance of the vehicle, the less someone would want a manual. With that type of horse power over very little weight, I'd want the electronics to have all the control. Only thing I should have to do is up-shift and down-shift using the paddles.
          BG
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Agilis
          Yuck, then just go buy a comfortable road cruiser like a Lexus.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @daaviator22
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