Inside Line reports that BMW's M division wants to play with the other kids and develop its own car, but it's got to wait on parent BMW to say Alles klar. This isn't new; they've been public about the desire for at least two years. The holdup, naturally, is that bean-and-spreadsheet wielding boogeyman named The Business Case: any in-house M offering has to feed the profit motive before getting the okay.

Sure, Audi has its R8, but that was made easier because of the Lamborghini link. The real template for this is Mercedes-Benz's AMG, which created the SLS on its own, and on its own chassis. The sales success of that car must surely have the folks at M anxious to fabricate a proper challenger.

When we talked to former M Division head Dr. Kay Segler, he spoke about pushing the 1 Series M through without dilution in spite of frequent reservations about its business case. We haven't heard the same talk yet from the department's current head, so, using a different template, it could be time for M engineers to start turning wrenches in their spare time: the IS-F began as an after-hours project, and in effect so did the Pagani Zonda. Give us the M1 Hommage, guys. Or feel free to do even better...


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      PMH
      • 3 Years Ago
      BMW needs a halo that can sit alongside the R8 and SLS. Batteries NOT included.
        Krishan Mistry
        • 3 Years Ago
        @PMH
        Yep, battery and hybrid toys should be reserved for the i# badge. Keep ///M as pure as possible. Not that a 5000lb crossover is pure, but a real M1 homage would let us know people in there still cared.
      Ak74
      • 3 Years Ago
      Just build M1 Hommage with V12, or TT V10.
        illnever tell
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Ak74
        They should just take the BMW S70/2 V12 from the McLaren F1 and save themselves the time, money and trouble. And I'm sure it would help the business case.
        Alex
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Ak74
        Nah, BMW is done with that nonsense (partially thanks to whomever is pushing the ridiculous CAFE standards now), they're all about "economy" now, so if that thing would actually be built in near future it would have something like electric power steering, an "ECO pro" dashboard button and something like a hybrid turbo V4 for an engine. To get an idea what BMW now considers a "halo car" just look at i8 Concept.
          Ak74
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Alex
          Why would they make it eco friendly? They already have and i8. They might go for turbo instead of NA but it would pointless to make another green supercar. ///M does not work on green cars that is for i sub-brand. My best guess would be 5.7L V10 TT with around 800 hp or they might go for completely new engine like NA 6L V12 with around the same power.
          Alex
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Alex
          (the reply system on this blog is awful!). Yes, F10 M5 is not a bad car, but it's a "dying breed" - note the kind of engine it already has, note that it also has a "start/stop system" button right below the engine start button (just like regular F10 models have... b.t.w, on regular 2012 F10 models the "start/stop system" is a forcefully included "standard option" and is always enabled by default each time you start the engine).
          You guy
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Alex
          You can always use a boxer instead of a V.
          Svartorn
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Alex
          I think the F10 M5 is proof BMW isn't all about "economy". Sure, they are bolstering their lineup with diesels and the i sub-brand, but they are still producing solid performance cars.
          Nathan Loiselle
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Alex
          A turbo V4 is a foolish idea. It'd need too much counterbalancing to be effective. Try and inline 4 which can be mounted laterally.
        Nathan Loiselle
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Ak74
        Use the 4.4L V8 with twin-scroll, twin turbos in a traditional mounting so that they can be larger than the ones on the current TT V8.
      Justin Campanale
      • 3 Years Ago
      PLEASE use this M1 Homage concept and turn it into a GT-R/911/Corvette competitor! It fits the bill PERFECTLY!!!! twin turbo 3.0 i6 with 370 hp $70k same engine, but tuned to 470 hp $90k turbo 4.4 V8 560hp $120k.
        Nathan Loiselle
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Justin Campanale
        An inline 6 would be too long.
          Justin Campanale
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Nathan Loiselle
          BMW designs all their cars to fit i6s, I doubt that this will be any different.
        Krishan Mistry
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Justin Campanale
        And a special edition TT V12 with 700hp! No? Though if they put the NA E60 M5 V10 in there and call it a day, it would be perfecf.
          Krishan Mistry
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Krishan Mistry
          @Coconut I bet they may have a few unused ones left in the factory, just the right amount for a low production supercar to have behind the seats. I wish.
          Coconut Racing
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Krishan Mistry
          Didn't they stop making the V10?
      Dave
      • 3 Years Ago
      The world has plenty of Unobtainium. Can't anyone build us a modern Fiero/MR2/X19?? With current family car 4 cylinders making 180+ hp normally aspirated (a turbo MR2 only had 200!) and plenty of transmission options available, this seems the perfect time for an affordable midengine rocket.
        Krishan Mistry
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dave
        A lightweight midengine I6 Beemer would be very nice. Price it below 50K (or much cheaper depending on engine specs), with only manual and RWD, and it would be brilliant.
      Dwight Bynum Jr.
      • 3 Years Ago
      "The real template for this is Mercedes-Benz's AMG, which created the SLS on its own, and on its own chassis." Um... that chassis was definitely being developed for the next Dodge Viper prior to the DaimlerChrysler merger. Mercedes basically just had a lot of the work done for them and finished the project off.
        Ryan
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dwight Bynum Jr.
        I am really glad that I am not the only one who thought that upon reading that BS line. AMG was handed a car that was already nearly developed, put their own touches on it, and decided that the car that originally had those plans wasn't important anymore as long as the SLS was built. God damn I hate the way Mercedes destroyed Chrysler.
          Alex
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Ryan
          Mercedes didn't "destroy" Chrysler, they just stopped uselessly wasting their $$$ on it and instead let the US government (and now Fiat) continue doing that.
        ACSRHS
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dwight Bynum Jr.
        I was thinking the same thing... There's no way MB would've considered using thise proportions without developing it along side the next generation Viper.
        Eddie
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dwight Bynum Jr.
        Ssssssssshhhhhhh, don't tell them!
        Realist
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Dwight Bynum Jr.
        Truly delusional american patriotism
      Kyle
      • 3 Years Ago
      I believe the SLS chassis was developed in part by Dodge... it was supposed to underpin the Gen V viper before the Germans took their money and ran.
        Elmo
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Kyle
        It wasn't, at all, developed in part by Chrysler. The SLS's dimensions matched up to the Viper almost perfectly, resulting in MB using their then current subsidiary's body for the car. The chassis is based on the current SL's chassis with a bit of modification.
          Evan McMiller
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Elmo
          Trust me, very little is shared with the SL. Almost nothing. And developed by dodge? Please. They used old Viper bodies for testing, that's all. It was engineered entirely in house by AMG, and is a completely unique vehicle.
      Eta Carinae
      • 3 Years Ago
      Why are some of you people talking about cars that are going to cost 70,80,90 K ?!?!? If the ///M division was going to make a seperate car it would cost around the quarter million dollar make like the SLS.....anything less would be a complete waste of time for ///M......lance. B
      Xedicon
      • 3 Years Ago
      To all those feisty M engineers - time to skunk works a new ride! This is how a lot of badass machinery is born. To add to the examples in the article, the Viper was a skunk works project as well. I wish that auto makers would more easily recognize the value in letting their designers and engineers just go nuts and see what they come up with. I know that they have to make money, but the number of examples out there for successful "imagineered" vehicles is too many to ignore!
        sparrk
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Xedicon
        the Gumpert Apollo was made by Audi engineers in their free time, with Audi's permission of course. I'm sure M division skunk works can produce some great technology, but there's always those pesky bean counters.
          founerra
          • 3 Years Ago
          @sparrk
          They need to prove they could make a profit off this, they will need people who are going on this, the bean counters will probably not let it happen unless it can return a healthy profit.
      • 3 Years Ago
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        Krishan Mistry
        • 3 Years Ago
        The NSX was about pure fun and joy. The GTR is about as pure and fun as driving a really good video game... with g forces. And you know nothing about this car. Just speculative trolling. We don't know if BMW will even consider letting ///M do this, and need I say the "yes, we are making it, no we're not, actually I changed my mind, now I'm not saying anymore, ooh look a pretty concept... that we're not going to make, or are we?" drama going on with the NSX replacement? And BMW interiors aren't the best in the business (thank Audi), but they are miles better than most so called premium Japanese models. Bus like handling? Even BMW's bus sized vehicles (X5,6) handle like big sports cars. Ultra small niche vehicles? Like the GTR? LOL. Heavy weight, again, poor choice mentioning the GTR. Numb steering? Only if you use winter mittens as driving gloves. Bangle Butts? Gone. High prices? You can't afford a BMW competitor anyways (a Kia Rio with a big turbo doesnt count). Autos? I didn't notice that the LFA, ISF, GTR, et cetera all rocked manual boxes available in most sporty BMW's (yes, they are pushing autos too, but they still give the option for now). Poor reliability? I see plenty of old problem free beemers running like Swiss clockwork, usually more robust than other cars. And the last comment is hilarious. Catering to Ed Hardy brand snobs? You are the biggest brand snob here. And you care about as much about performance as you care for any vehicle with a blue and white roundel.
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Krishan Mistry
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        Miguro Takahashi
        • 3 Years Ago
        Hey columbianricer. I'm japanese, do you want to s*ck my dick too? I promise JD Power rated me as reliable, my @sshole will always be there for you to lick clean after I take a sh*t. Hahahaha, so glad I don't know this kid in real life or I'd probably be in jail for decapitating some loser who thinks his car collection in his Gran Turismo 5 file actually exists in real life. Damn, this kid is like on every page on AB. I really wish I had as much free time as him but I really couldn't resist saying something this time. Fella, real drivers have respect for all cars, life is too short to be a fanboy. I feel bad for you, you're missing out on some good cars out there. Hey but at least you mentioned the GTR this time, that's the only car that you've talked about so far that actually lives up to the hype. And the only thing you've ever smoked was your stepdad's meat cigar after you ruined his ford focus by running into a stop sign. Sayonara b!tch!!
        tloza7
        • 3 Years Ago
        btw your exhaust has fake tips
        Miguro Takahashi
        • 3 Years Ago
        Hey columbianricer. I'm japanese, do you want to s*ck my dick too? I promise JD Power rated me as reliable, my @sshole will always be there for you to lick clean after I take a sh*t. Hahahaha, so glad I don't know this kid in real life or I'd probably be in jail for decapitating some loser who thinks his car collection in his Gran Turismo 5 file actually exists in real life. Damn, this kid is like on every page on AB. I really wish I had as much free time as him but I really couldn't resist saying something this time. Fella, real drivers have respect for all cars, life is too short to be a fanboy. I feel bad for you, you're missing out on some good cars out there. Hey but at least you mentioned the GTR this time, that's the only car that you've talked about so far that actually lives up to the hype. Sayonara b!tch!!
        Ev
        • 3 Years Ago
        Dude, I feel so bad for you. You have no idea how lame you sound. Not everybody cares about cars, that’s ok but if you claim you do then act like it. Your problem is lack of respect. I respect all cars as long as they’re well-made. BMWs make very good cars. I should know, I’m an owner of one. I bought an E60 535i back in 2009 and my car has done over 100K miles on it since I got it with 45miles on it, and every mile I put on it since has been a pleasure. I’ve done canyon runs out in the bay area with my friend who owns a 350z. We never brand bashed like what you’re so fond of, we just took our cars and let our souls be in harmony with our engines. That feeling of satisfaction in hairpin turns when your car literally glides as you twirl the steering wheel, the little kick in the back you get when the car is shifting after accelerating out of that turn, those things you enjoy. Sometimes he’d do better than me and other times I was the one smiling at the end of the day. You know what my friend and I figured out? Cars have personalities and just like people, no 2 cars are exactly the same. You make your choice and you enjoy that car. But if you never drive anything else you will miss out on something. Italian Passion, German Engineering, Japanese Sensibility and Innovation, the raw power of an American sports car, I’m a fan of all of it. If you really do have an IS-F, then the way you are really dishonors the time and effort Yukihiko Yaguchi (also developed the Supra) put in developing that car. I don’t think you’re worthy of it. So please out of courtesy for your fellow AB members, stop talking out of your @ss. We don’t live in a Fast and Furious movie, so stop talking like we do.
          Ev
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Ev
          I'm also a fan of British Luxury but that's a little out of my budget currently. Speaking of which, if you want to see something almost as ridiculous as columbianricer's comments, check this vid out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ziFrSDVt2g&list=FLA0Nj8KCXYS5B6s93jIbplQ&index=3 An appropriate comment for the vid would be, "not that you would but you could..." And in order to tie that into this BMW page, just know that beneath the spirit of ecstasy adorned hood is a BMW twin turbo V12 engine :)
      1STH
      • 3 Years Ago
      R8 > anything BMW can make.
      tributetodrive
      • 3 Years Ago
      boy will this be an ugly beast
      JeremyGarrett76
      • 3 Years Ago
      Does anyone else find this car ugly as hell? This would have been cool in the 80's.
        Gary Birch
        • 3 Years Ago
        @JeremyGarrett76
        I hear what you don't like, what design do you like best?
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