• Aug 29, 2011
Although Porsche has released photographs showing the interior of an automatic-transmission-equipped 2012 911, we're still waiting on a clear look at the shift-yourself variety. Chas Hallet from WhatCar.com managed to get up close and personal with the newest 911, and he was kind enough to snap a picture of the shift pattern.

That is a much clearer image than the one we captured in the test video Porsche released earlier this year. We're patiently waiting for our turn to row, row, row, row, row, row, row the gears of the 2012 911, and we'll report back with our findings if our arms aren't too tired from all that shifting.


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      Hazdaz
      • 3 Years Ago
      Its funny reading the comments in this particular post. You can immediately tell the folks that have probably never even driven a manual by their replies asking if you are going to have to constantly shift this transmission, or asking how you would know what gear you are in, or if this would only be useful for going 200+ MPH. Obviously we'll have to wait till some magazines or websites test this transmission out, but Porsche only added ONE more gear not 10. How much most shifting can that possibly involve? And just as a heads-up to those that have always lived with automatics - shifting isn't a chore... its a pleasure. An extra "snick" into one more gear as your car accelerates to highway speeds isn't going to tire your arm out, so relax. Probably around town, you'll drive it the same as you would any other car. All these comments and concerns are deja vu from a few years ago when most car makers went from 5 to 6 speed manuals, and many more years before that when they went from 4 to 5 gears.
        Rich M.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Hazdaz
        actually the transition from 6spd to 7spd won't be similar to 5spd to 6spd. from 5 to 6 you were just adding an extra shift gate which went from north to south, this is a gate that's going from south to north east and judging by the shift pattern on the pic it's far away. it would be similar to 4spd to 5spd but this gate is even further away from the driver. grant it, its just an overdrive gear but still that's a long throw away from the driver.
      MyerShift
      • 3 Years Ago
      Porsche; this is amazing. Thank you. -Prolly Never Be Able to Afford One :)
        lewazzinaroillus
        • 3 Years Ago
        @MyerShift
        get a used one!,...they are tremendous used car bargains,..and trust me,...once you've driven a manny 911,...you'll become addicted,...and become that most dreaded of things among porsche haters,...a PORSCHEPHILE!!,...used 996's are down in the 30,000's with a little mileage on 'em,...no excuse to deny yourself that!,...new ones are pricey yes,...so go the pre-owned route i say!
      Hazdaz
      • 3 Years Ago
      :drool: Hey, GM, Honda, BMW, Ford and all you other car makers. Please take note because we enthusiasts WANT to drive manuals and this is how you guy will be able to keep us happy.
        tkosoccer03
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Hazdaz
        and what benefit does this give you?!? i drive a 6-speed.. there is no need for another gear.. none..
          Hazdaz
          • 3 Years Ago
          @tkosoccer03
          @ me Yeah, um, magic isn't needed, just investing in R&D and good honest engineering. Just 5 years ago a car that got 25 MPG was considered pretty darn good. Now 30 MPG is becoming more and more the norm, and 40 MPG is more than an achievable goal. We never would have gotten that with the defeatist attitude that so many idiots out there seem to have. When you coddle corporations, they will do the absolute lease required to get by - the unprecedented laziness of Detroit in the 80s and early 90s is proof of that. In that time frame CAFE didn't increase at all, and magically neither did the fuel economy of cars.
          me
          • 3 Years Ago
          @tkosoccer03
          Unfortunately there is thanks to the US government who believe you can magically extract more energy from a gallon of fuel every year like it's some kind of automotive Moore's Law.
          mrpinto
          • 3 Years Ago
          @tkosoccer03
          I think a 7th gear would be nice for sustained cruising at speeds over 100-110 mph or so. You know like you might do on the Autobahn.
          Hazdaz
          • 3 Years Ago
          @tkosoccer03
          How about you read the post directly above mine - even with a 6-speed, cruising on the highway for some cars is still too high. One extra gear would definitely bring those revs down and make it a great cruising gear without effecting the other ones.
        lewazzinaroillus
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Hazdaz
        you go hazdaz,...americans are really sissies pure and simple!,...only 10 percent can drive a stick now,...PATHETIC!,...and of course the general public is terrified of previous 911's reputation as a "widow maker",...so un deserved now!,..they drive just as safe and comfy as any u.s. car,...so make a manny for gods sake,..vette still does,...and thank god porsche still does!
      RevenantDC5
      • 3 Years Ago
      I have a six speed manual in my '02 RSX-S. I would like a taller 6th, but would prefer to just have a 7th. Coming from someone with 6, I don't feel 7 is too many. Although, for the RSX, I need gears because I only have power between 6k and 9k RPM - I don't think the Porsche has that problem.
      jonnybimmer
      • 3 Years Ago
      I wonder how close the shift gates feel, if the additional gate will increase the chances of mis-shifting or not. Given that it is Porsche, I wouldn't think so, but it'd still be interesting to see what it's like. As for whether or not the 7th gear is necessary, that top gear is set up for highway cruising and I can think of more than a fair number of cars that I wish had a higher gear on the freeway.
      wafflesnfalafel
      • 3 Years Ago
      First reaction is "what the heck they need that for" - but really now you can cruise along at 75 while pulling less than 2 grand on the tach AND still have all the close ratio fun. Yes, it's a "luxury" ratio - you don't really need it - but for 80 grand, why not?
      mike999
      • 3 Years Ago
      I don't like the pattern. I would have liked to have seen this: R1 3 5 L 2 4 6 L = Launch, and after that, it's a "6 speed."
        Jonathan Arena
        • 3 Years Ago
        @mike999
        This is interesting, but you're assuming that there is a speed advantage to launching in a shorter gear ratio, which I don't think there is. The main reason for this speed is not so they can change the 6 gears there are currently, but simply to add a 7th as an overdrive gear.
        ACURA23CL
        • 3 Years Ago
        @mike999
        That's an interesting concept and way of looking at it. I kinda like it. However, do you think it'll be a little confusing for most to be shifting into 1st gear, and they're moving at maybe 15-20MPH? one of my daily drivers is a 5-speed. What are the benefits of a "psychological 6-speed"?
      miketim1
      • 3 Years Ago
      Whats cool is that it's still a stick shift ... you dont need to use the 7th gear. I doubt that Porsche are going to be the only cars to have this idea. I think its cool. I wonder what made them go this route
      Dixon Ticonderoga
      • 3 Years Ago
      At the dawn of the 6speed manual I read a story that said that at 7 speeds most people basically got lost. As much as I love a good automatic, I think some cars just NEED a manual. That being said, I can't get over the feeling that this is just overkill and Porsche'd do better to cut bloat and offer a stripped down experience with it's manual cars rather than chasing ratios to try yo give economy and performance.
      SloopJohnB
      • 3 Years Ago
      Room for one more.....7/8 probably have a heckuva detent spring
      lorenzo
      • 3 Years Ago
      how are they going to make the GTS version of this with such a fluffy GT interior? not that the current GTS is a stripper, not even the Cayman R is really.....I guess I just wish for a flat dash panel and no connection between the dash and the trans tunnel - which doesnt even need to exist in a proper rear drive version.....oh hum.....
      Mister Two
      • 3 Years Ago
      There is a big difference b/t Porsche's flat 6 and Chevy's small block. They have completely different power bands. The LS3 is probably close to a thousand rpms lower in top gear @ highway speeds than any engine used in the 911 in the same situation.
        tkosoccer03
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Mister Two
        it's not the same situation because porsche doesn't use 6th gear like chevy does.. the LS3 is lower in rpms because it's gear that way.. the same thing is achievable with any motor, your top gear simply has to be used as an overdrive, as the LS3 does it.
          tkosoccer03
          • 3 Years Ago
          @tkosoccer03
          that's the point, though.. it's an overdrive. it's not an accelerating gear. my uncle has an LS3 corvette, and that's exactly how it is. mashing the pedal at 75 mph in 6th gear does nothing.. and that's the point.
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