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Even though Fisker Automotive has already handed over the keys to the first production Karma, the extended-range electric vehicle is, from a legal standpoint, not 100 percent ready to hit U.S. streets.

Roger Ormisher, Fisker's director of global communications, told Green Car Reports that:
We are still awaiting final sign off from California Air Resources Board and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on certification, which is due in the next couple of weeks. So, although keys have been handed over, the cars are not officially registered yet and will most likely show up in August registrations.
Without EPA certification, the Fisker Karma cannot be registered in the U.S. What this means is that, for now, Karma owners like Ray Lane can't legally test the vehicle's extended-range capability out on public roads.


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  • 24 Comments
      Snoopy
      • 3 Years Ago
      Would it be fair to call this a technicality?
      Nick
      • 3 Years Ago
      How much work does it take to certify a car? It can't take more than 4h of work. WTF are these incapable, lazy animals at the EPA doing? It's incredible, HURRY THE F UP YOU IDIOTS!
      sirvixisvexed
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'm really anxious to see those numbers, should be interesting! What sucks is that i'm sure they already HAVE been tested, it's just TALKING about something that is technically illegal through a news outlet isn't gonna happen yet...
        Marco Polo
        • 3 Years Ago
        @sirvixisvexed
        Er..... I expect you're so anxious, because you can't wait to take delivery the vehicle you have ordered? Which colour did you decide on?:)
          sirvixisvexed
          • 4 Months Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Hahaha some day! I actually posted once recently that i'm excited to shop for them used on autotrader in maybe 5 years, LOL. A friend of mine posted on facebook that she saw one on the road a couple weeks ago outside of detroit. These times are getting interesting. That's right, I said "These times" without making a negative comment! OMGZ!!!!!1111
          sirvixisvexed
          • 4 Months Ago
          @Marco Polo
          I didn't know the price would be so inflated down under! I hope strength in numbers helps chip away at that price. No wonder you've done converts, probably will end up being more cost effective than purchase of a new model with EV tech built in. Next time you see kids like that, ask them if they would consider a field of solar panels to be a good thing, and after they say yes, tell them that a "money lover" is the only human who will ever have the means to create something so environmentally friendly, and that being a sap who uses nothing but creates nothing is as good for the earth as the dirt you came from. But if that's your goal, hey, mission accomplished!
          Marco Polo
          • 4 Months Ago
          @Marco Polo
          Yeah, well that's the trouble with the expensive models.But, you are lucky. living in the US, you receive and see these on the roads. Here in the Antipodes, not only will we have to wait for a RHD model, but pay 2.4 times as much as US buyers due to tax. But not all "Greener than thou", are au fait with the idea of EV transport. I was recently accosted by three youngish members of this fraternity, who emerged from the foliage, (some which they appeared to be smoking) and proceeded to berate me for wasting the earth resources for driving a Range Rover. I tried pointing out to these folk, who seemed to affecting a style not so much 'summer of love' , but more mid-seventies when it had all gone seedy and bad, that the LEVRR was an EV, and used for Rural purposes. The reply was a resentful, "Still, I bet it cost a lot of money!", and drove off in a Huff,( which in this case was a brand of ancient, and poorly maintained van, belching blue smoke, and held together by papier-mâché. However, undaunted, I have been trying to persade a friend who works in the City of London, and always bought Porsche, to test drive a F-K .( In the hope converting him to EV) .
      • 3 Years Ago
      watch more here http://alturl.com/caeah
      Smith Jim
      • 3 Years Ago
      In a previous ABG article the author used the news of the Fisker Karma to take a swipe at the Chevrolet Volt because the Volt can send torque directly from the ICE to the wheels. I made the prediction that when the numbers come in from the EPA the Fisker Karma will be less efficient than the Volt in both all electric mode and in extended range mode. Stay tuned Volt haters.
        2 Wheeled Menace
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Smith Jim
        What's that prediction based on?
          JP
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          Remember, EV's don't have gas tanks or exhaust systems and are mechanically much simpler than hybrids, or ICEs.
          JP
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          Nick, That's the definition of Plug in Hybrid. Runs on battery power from the mains until the pack is depleted, then the gas motor kicks in. Plug in Hybrid, PHEV.
          Rotation
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          Preliminary figures reported and Inefficiency of such a layout. Now sure why Smith here is bothering to state this again. It's not like his "I told you so" is going to shake the world much more with it.
          electronx16
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          How about European ratings. The Volt emissions are rated at 40 gr/km and the Karma at 83 gr/km. This gives an indication of their relative MPG.
          JP
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          SJ, Neither the Volt or the Karma is a range extended electric vehicle, there is no such thing. They are both simply plug in hybrids, regardless of marketing speak.
          Smith Jim
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          When the batteries are depleted in the Fisker Karma it operates as a series hybrid. Series hybrids are less efficient. Some people believe a series hybrid is more efficient because the ICE can operate in a narrow RPM band where the ICE is more efficient. Here's why I believe a series hybrid is less efficient. Electric motor/generators are known for being highly efficient but they are not 100% efficient. Energy is lost in a series hybrid when mechanical energy from the ICE is converted to electrical energy then the electrical energy must be converted back into mechanical energy to turn the wheels. That's not all the energy losses though. Remember the notion about how an ICE in a series hybrid can operate in a narrow RPM band for greater efficiency? If the ICE operates in a narrow RPM band and the energy needed to drive the wheels is variable based on terrain, acceleration, etc, then the battery MUST act as a buffer for electrical energy. When the battery acts as a buffer there is some energy loss because electrical energy is converted to chemical energy and chemical energy is converted back to electrical energy in the battery. This energy conversion is not 100% efficient. Because of the unique drivetrain of the Volt it can act as a series hybrid or a parallel hybrid. GM has stated this parallel hybrid mode results in an efficiency increase of 10 to 15%. The Fisker Karma is also a heavier car than the Volt and appears to the naked eye to be not as aerodynamically slick. Don't get me wrong. I think the Fisker Karma is a super awesome car. I especially like the fact that the range extender in the Karma is a direct injection ICE.
          Nick
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          @JP I'm not sure if it would be fair to call them simply Plug-in hybrids. They are capable of rolling on electricity alone, and could technically only turn on the ICE to keep the parts well lubed. They're EVs with an ICE option, hows that?
          Smith Jim
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          Rotation, Point well taken. You are correct. One of my pet peeves are Volt haters that criticize GM because the Volt has a parallel hybrid mode. Fisker claims the Karma is the worlds first extended range EV. This is pure BS. Fisker is exploiting misunderstanding about the Volt drivetrain which can operate as a series hybrid or a parallel hybrid. I admit that my previous comments are an emotional response because, hey, I'm only human.
          usbseawolf2000
          • 3 Years Ago
          @2 Wheeled Menace
          @Nick: Operation modes don't define if it is an EV or a Plugin hybrid. The power source(s) that the vehicle have on-board defines it. It appears Karma is a pure series hybrid that you can plug it in. Volt is not a pure series hybrid since it can run in parallel mode when one of the clutch is engaged.
        Spec
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Smith Jim
        Well of course it will be less efficient than the Volt. It is a much larger car. It is being built as a luxury car. It is a much heavier car due to more batteries. I don't think anyone would dispute that it will have worse efficiency numbers. But on the bright side, if it does manage to get close to the 50 miles AER number, that will allow its owners to very very rarely burn gasoline unless they go on long trips.
      Ashton
      • 3 Years Ago
      Wierd...usually government agencies are quick and efficient... s/
        Marco Polo
        • 4 Months Ago
        @Ashton
        How dare you, man! I mean, like, ..who do you think you are? ....We've been testing the **** out of this thing for six weeks now...yeah.. Signed, A bunch of California Air Resourse Agency guy's Charlie Sheen's Place, Par-taaaaying on.....
      Jim Illo
      • 3 Years Ago
      Why does this remind me of "Rain Man"?
      Rotation
      • 3 Years Ago
      From a legal standpoint it's closer to 0% ready. When the first car was "sold" to a member of the company, it was clear the car actually isn't approved yet. How far away is difficult to tell. Let's hope its not Mahindra far away. Personally I don't expect to see these in August registrations.
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