The diehards at Club4AG have been patiently waiting for a new generation of sports car from Toyota. It seems one of the sites founding members got a closer look at what's in store for the production version of the Toyota FT-86 II/Scion FR-S. User Moto-P got the chance to attend a dinner meeting with chief project engineer Tetsuya Tada, and it sounds like many a bean was spilled.

It's apparent from Moto-P's time spent with Tada that the upcoming vehicle is designed to be a true sports car, for true enthusiasts. The engine has been tuned by Yamaha to produce inspiring sounds. Racers will appreciate the space left on either side of the dash, which is there to accommodate a rollcage without also requiring that you cut up the dashboard. There's even a chance the car will come sans CD player and navigation unit to keep things light and simple in the cabin, yet an iPod connection would still be offered.

Moto-P goes on to express his love for the brand, the main engineer and the upcoming car itself. It's clear that this person is a huge fan, so we take everything said in the forum with a grain of salt. Still, it's interesting to hear about what may be in store for the long-awaited FT-86/Toyobaru.


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      Redline
      • 3 Years Ago
      "The engine has been tuned by Yamaha" Where do I sign? Just release this car already!!!!!
        miketim1
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Redline
        Yup... the ISF and LFA and past Toyota sporty models they have always worked with Yamaha
      gork
      • 3 Years Ago
      Oh the beauty. This is going to save Scion.
        CD
        • 3 Years Ago
        @gork
        If it is true that 80% of Scion buyers move to Toyota or stick with Scion, it may be worthwhiel for Toyota to bring the Celica, Supra or MR2 back to life. But I really liek the look of the car. Hopefully we get a peek of the interior soon!
          Phontsolo
          • 3 Years Ago
          @CD
          Oh... a new up to date MR2 would be awesome. I would consider it even though i have no idea what it'll look like.... haha
        miketim1
        • 3 Years Ago
        @gork
        I saw this conpect in person... one of the most beautiful concepts I've ever seen.
      Nick Allain
      • 3 Years Ago
      Can this thing come out now? Seriously, I have a car ready to trade.
      murciered
      • 3 Years Ago
      After the few years of teasing, I just cannot wait until I see the production version on the road.
      Jason Unser
      • 3 Years Ago
      Here's the new video of the FT-86. Gonna be sicckkkk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JX9UNQt2gA
      jamiescale
      • 3 Years Ago
      Soooo sick of this car. Toyota: either make the friggin thing or shut up about it
        Vien Huynh
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jamiescale
        @jamie: you sir, are a hypocrite.
        jboogiezx6
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jamiescale
        wahhhhh wahhhh, i want it now! gimme gimme !! if youre sick of it DONT CLICK THE LINK.
        Dennis Baskov
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jamiescale
        If you don't want to read about it then don't read and waste your and our time posting useless comments. Other people are interested in the car because it's not as easy as just "making" a car. You can't just make it, this isn't McDonald's, there are a lot of complicated things that need to be done beforehand.
        Phontsolo
        • 3 Years Ago
        @jamiescale
        What a retarded mentality...
      Baron95
      • 3 Years Ago
      The problem with this car is a 2.0 NA engine. In the FIVE YEARS of design, development and teasing, the car world has moved a lot. Now 300HP+ base Mustangs sell for $20K brand new *AND* handle quite well at the track. At $30K you have 400HP+ Mustang GTs and pure sports cars like 330HP+ 370Zs. Slotting a $25K 200HP car between a 300HP+/$20K and 400HP+/$30K Mustang, to pick just one example is tough. And that is just an example. This thing will be facing off against the next gen 128i (240HP turbo 4), etc. Unless there is a 300HP+ turbo version, this thing will not sell well. Sure, it will sell in the first few years (novelty factor). But once it exhausts that bump, where does it go? Probably the way of the MR2 or RX8. Down to oblivion. Great idea. Great concept. I'll be happy when it reaches the market. But too underpowered for 2012 and beyond.
        Rich M.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Baron95
        as an owner of an AP2 i'd rather have a lightweight rwd great handling car with a slick tranmission that revs high and sounds good doing it than a mustang, genesis-c or camaro. like i always say and its been going on for decades, there's muscle cars and there's sports cars. this car will cater to a different set of buyers who would never consider a mustang or camaro.
          Baron95
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Rich M.
          I was using the Mustang as an example. Also not my cup of tea. The point is that the V8 Mustang once had 230HP. Now the V6 entry level Mustang has 300+. The world moved on. The 370z (though a bit overweight) is a basic, high revving, sports car - that starts in the 20s and will mop the floor of the FT-86. Don't get me wrong. I am extremely pleased that Toyota is bringing back the F-R car. I like it a lot - EXCEPT for it being underpowered. Lets face it. This car will weight 3,000 lbs. and 15lbs/hp does not a sport car makes, right?
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Baron95
        [blocked]
        Dennis Baskov
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Baron95
        Horsepower doesn't determine the entire value of the car. Even though Ford has been successful making the Mustang reliable for a "sports car", Scion has a rep producing reliable and long lasting all round cars since the make started. Plus 2.0 producing 200 horse power is actually very efficient in terms of power per liter, and it's not underpowered for 2012 car by any means.
          Rich M.
          • 3 Years Ago
          @Dennis Baskov
          from what i've seen and whether its true or not the weight of the car will be 2700lbs and they are still working on getting the weight lower. hence the comment of sans cd and nav systems. there were talks about a/c being an option and not having pwr win/lks/mrs but i think that's not going to happen. if this car weighs 2700lbs or less with 200-220hp and it looks like they're obsessing real hard to fine tune the little big sports car details, like the steering and throttle feel, the sound, to the roll cage etc....i'm sure along the way the transmission and the engagement of that transmission, to the clutch, to pedal placements has been obsessed as well. one thing with all the talks about how the new mustang is so good that it would make 335-C/M3 buyers rethink. what's funny is that the mags that's saying that they still in the end of their article would rather have bmw or hyundai coupe. i drove the new mustang both the 6 and 8, while good and better than previous models the car doesn't fit what "i" look for in a car. i'll say the same for 335-C, while its sporty and luxurious, again it doesn't fit what "i" look for in a car. the real car people who will buy the FR-S/FT86 will be people who appreciate an elise, miata, rx-8, boxster, cayman and S2000. when your going 90+mph engine screaming in 4th gear on rahal straight about to enter the corkscrew you see the markers so you rev-match to 3rd (the sound of the rev-match is just music to the ears) then heel/toe into 2nd at corner entry in turn 8, then you feel the chassis, suspension, wheels and tires just working beautifully together making you think of senna tackling becketts in a mp4/4.
        speedracerx808
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Baron95
        You don't understand how power to weight ratio works I take it? Per your example: 2012 Mustang V6 = 305HP Gross weight: 4500 lbs. Curb weight: 3453 lbs. P to W for Gross weight: .067 HP per lbs P to W for Curb weight: .088 HP per lbs The FR-S is estimated to be around 200HP based on current engine configuration. Weight is currently unknown but using basic math... Gross Weight needed to match the P to W of the Mustang: about 2980 lbs. Curb Weight needed to match the P to W of the Mustang: about 2264 lbs. In reality, the curb weight will probably be around 2500 lbs. Based on the size though, it might be less. Power is definitely an unknown but 200HP or more seems likely. With a turbo kit, 350+ seems easily reachable based on the platform. Even in stock form, I'd say it would be good competition for the Mustang. Esp. on a tight course.
          Baron95
          • 3 Years Ago
          @speedracerx808
          You are dreaming if you think the FT-86 will be a 2500 lbs. For comparison, the Cayman S - a very efficient 2-seater with no long drive shaft is a 3,000 lbs car. This Toyota will be a 3,000 lbs car. it will be lugging around 15 lbs/hp, where the Cayman lugs around 9 lbs/hp. And I've driven a Cayman on the track and it is not a fast accelerating car. Handles great. Yes. Fun to drive. Yes. Fast momentum car. Yes. But even at 9lbs/hp it is underpowered (otherwise it would destroy the 911). The folks comparing this to the Genesis coupe are comparing it to the outgoing car. The 2012 Genesis coupe, the one that will compete with the FT-86, will have a choice of an upgraded Turbo or the retuned 333HP V6. Sorry, there are no two ways about it. 15 lbs/hp will be inadequate. Put a turbo on it and get to 330HP, now you are on par with the other cars like 2012 Genesis, 2013 128i, Mustang, 370Z, etc.
        bchreng
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Baron95
        The base V6 Mustang starts at around 22k as does the base Genesis Coupe, which incidentally also has only 200 or so HP. Depending on how Toyota decides to option the FR-S, it may be more comparable to the 24k or 26k GenCoupe, so the price isn't too high. IRS and quick nimble handling doesn't come cheap I suppose.
      Delia Potter
      • 3 Years Ago
      I paid $32.67 for a XBOX 360 and my mom got a 17 inch Toshiba laptop for $94.83 being delivered to our house tomorrow by FedEX. I will never again pay expensive retail prices at stores. I even sold a 46 inch HDTV to my boss for $650 and it only cost me $52.78 to get. Here is the website we using to get all this stuff, BidsOut .com
      Speed3cam
      • 3 Years Ago
      JUST F*($^_+ING BUILD THE THINGS ALREADY! Are we 3 years in on these concepts yet??
      throwback
      • 3 Years Ago
      Glad to see Toyota getting back in the sportscar game. It seems all their car guys have been locked up in a bunker for the last few years. The world needs more affordable RWD cars, ther are plenty of FWD ones out there.
      miketim1
      • 3 Years Ago
      The IS-F, GS-F, LFA, FT-86, F-Sport cars/parts and etc. . . . Toyota is going back to their old ways :) This Scion could actually be the new car I've been looking for. I can wait to see how it turns out.
        lostboyz
        • 3 Years Ago
        @miketim1
        Its a good start, but hardly "old ways" they need more affordable sporty cars. This one will certainly help.
        miketim1
        • 3 Years Ago
        @miketim1
        I think its a great start ! and more then acura/honda and infinti/nissan can say they are doing. All nissan has are the GTR and 370z.... and Acura? phfff always doing mediocre.
      Robert Fahey
      • 3 Years Ago
      We're almost at the point where a company can boost its image with a concept like this -- without ever building the darned thing. Sure saves money.
        bobmarley
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Robert Fahey
        I dissagree...atleast in my view. They need to cary over the FR-S design language to the rest of their cars. Just designing a concept does nothing for me...if anything it would just make me dislike a company more if they produced a nice concept like this but never pulled the trigger (I think a lot of people would never forgive toyota if they droped the FRS from productiong!)
          Phontsolo
          • 3 Years Ago
          @bobmarley
          But plenty of car companies have produced a nice concept and never pulled the trigger on them. At least Toyota has seen the light.
        Phontsolo
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Robert Fahey
        Oh yeah, sure....
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