• Jun 2, 2011
Fisker Karma at Monaco – Click above for high-res image

The Fisker Karma may have been driven for "a couple of laps" around the Formula One Monaco Grand Prix by Prince Albert of Monaco in late May, but that doesn't mean that it's going to hit dealerships in the U.S. soon. In fact, word is the promised delivery date of the Karma plug-in has been pushed back again. Well, sort of.

According to Green Car Reports, Roger Ormisher, Director of Global Communications for Fisker Automotive, says that the "first dealer [demonstrator vehicles] and customer cars will arrive on these shores in July." Of course, that means the automaker will log zero sales in May and, as Ormisher told GCR, "probably not June either." Previously, Ormisher told AutoblogGreen that:

We will start shipping cars to retailers and importers in both U.S. and Europe to arrive during May/June and the first deposit holders will be in their cars in the June/July timeframe.

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[Source: Green Car Reports]


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      Nick From Montreal
      • 3 Years Ago
      Common, we're splitting hair at this point. Give or take three months, they are in the target window. Remember how the Leaf was supposed to arrive in December? Remember the Roadster 1.0? I tip my hat to you Fisker: you've accomplished a lot in 3 years.
      2 Wheeled Menace
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'm surprised it's even coming out. By that measure alone, they have beat the odds.
      Rotation
      • 3 Years Ago
      That's not much of an announced delay. We already knew there would be no sales in May 2011, since it's already June 2011. I'll be surprised if they ship any cars in June 2011 either (for July delivery).
      letstakeawalk
      • 3 Years Ago
      I remember saying something recently: "It's looking like dealers and high-priorities (Signature editions) during June-July, and then customer orders in August." http://green.autoblog.com/2011/05/31/fisker-karma-goes-for-a-spin-at-monaco-grand-prix/ Fisker has done remarkably well to get where they are now in just a few short years. The dealers and corporate have been pretty good at keeping customers appraised of the situation.
      Ben Crockett
      • 3 Years Ago
      Whats another couple of months :) At least they are coming to market now, which is lot more that what some other automakers are doing.
      • 3 Years Ago
      Am i the only one that thinks that this company is a big scam? no one has done a test drive of this car, they are not open to the how they make the cars. in general everything about this company is very shady. i would not be surprise to see this company totally bankrupt before they deliver vehicles, this would really suck for electric car vhicles as it would give all those right wing conservatives more food against electric cars
        StackedVinyl
        • 3 Years Ago
        How is the designer of the BMW Z8, Aston Martin DB9 and V8 Vantage shady?
          letstakeawalk
          • 3 Years Ago
          @StackedVinyl
          Automotive Designer is the proper term to define Henrik's role. He directs the engineers and stylists in their tasks to accomplish his design vision. "Henrik Fisker is the leading automobile designer and CEO of Fisker Coachbuild. Fisker began his career at BMW in Germany. In addition to being one of the most celebrated automotive designers of the last twenty years, Fisker graduated from the Swiss campus of California's Art Center College of Design in 1989. Best known among his creations are the Aston Martin DB9, Aston Martin V8 Vantage and BMW Z8 Roadster. From 1989 to 1992, he served as a designer at BMW Technik GmbH, BMW's advanced design studio in Munich. " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_design What Rotation refers to is considered engineering; the drive train (the Q-Drive) was engineered by Quantum Technologies.
          Rotation
          • 3 Years Ago
          @StackedVinyl
          You mean the stylist. That doesn't mean he can design a car, especially one with a complex drivetrain like this.
        Rotation
        • 3 Years Ago
        It think the company will fail to produce a decent product, perhaps that's a scam, I dunno. To be honest, compared to the massive shadiness in EVs (Hi, Aptera!) Fisker is much better than average.
        turbonium959
        • 3 Years Ago
        You are obviously not in the loop, but just about every (if not all) printed and/or online auto magazine test drove the car. Also, Henrik Fisker is no joke. Yes, the timing may not be the best and promises were made, but they are actually going to deliver. Fisker is doing a remarkable feat, that not too many (if any) others have done before.
      masteraq
      • 3 Years Ago
      I don't think it's fair to rag on Fisker. Even counting the delays this car has gone from concept to production very quickly.
        EVnerdGene
        • 3 Years Ago
        @masteraq
        Yeah. Seems like they've skipped the testing phase of vehicle development. I'd at least wait until the paint dries before plopping down my money. Askin' for trouble.
      • 3 Years Ago
      this company is a farce, as far as i am concernced, here are my points: 1. No real (street, highway) test drive, some automobile magazines got a few laps in a racetrack, but that was it. 2.No safety ratings? why would you buy a car that has not been test crashed. 3.Continuous delivery changes. 4.They kinda stole the design from the tesla model S. Tesla might have withdrawn the lawsuit, but that doesnt mean there wasnt something there. 5. ABG hasnt gotten any test drives, nothing like that. 6. you can go in the website, and the first thing that pops up is where you can buy the car. reminds me of when you go into a campaign website, first thing that pops up is to donate. People go to those webpages because they are gonna donate. but people who go on the karma website want to know more about the car, not to buy the car. 7. The information that you find in the website is not very convincing. 8. YOu can easily compare Tesla and karma, processes at different stages. Like when telsa was coming along, before they put up any cars on the road, and you can easily see, there is something weird going on with that company. I feel like i need to speak up, as someone who believes in electric cars. and how this company might become an example of people who want to take advantage of the government and the people good will to put good products that can benefit this country. im hoping this company does do what it says, but if doesnt. I can foresee a program running on MSNBC saying how hedgefunds, investors, people invested in this company, and the owners were making up spreadsheets. Fisker Karma = Enron of electric cars? I hope not...DEAR ABG please do some journalistic work, and see what is up with this company thank you
        letstakeawalk
        • 3 Years Ago
        Such a troll doesn't really deserve a reply, but I feel I must show what an ignorant comment you made. 1. The Karma has been well-tested by all of the major magazines, and they really, really like it. Of course they've only given pre-production tests - the car isn't yet available. No doubt, they'll be adding it to their long term fleets. Feel free to wait a year or so to buy. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/11q1/2012_fisker_karma-first_drive_review http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results/First-drives/Fisker-Karma-2011-CAR-review/ 2. The Karma will be safety certified. Considering its advanced chassis, there won't be any issues. 3. Delivery dates change. Ask Volt and Leaf buyers. 4. Tesla's lawsuit was dismissed as being "without merit". Henrik designed the original Tesla sedan, and Tesla decided not to use it. His design for the Karma may or may not resemble the original Tesla sedan proposal - but we'll never know. Musk went his own way with another design, but the Karma definitely came first. 5. ABG *has* test-driven the Karma, you bloody moron: http://green.autoblog.com/2011/02/21/2012-fisker-karma-first-drive-review-road-test/ 6. Where can I buy a Karma? A convenient list of dealers? Great! Having a well-developed network of dealers who are already experienced in dealing with high-end autos? Even better. 7. Blah, blah. That's like, your opinion, man. 8. Tesla vs. Fisker. Two companies with great potential - two very different management styles. Will the automobile outsider or the automobile insider handle things better? We'll have to wait and see. Glad you spoke up, otherwise we might not have recognized your ignorance, and not have been able to correct it publicly. http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/
          EVnerdGene
          • 3 Years Ago
          @letstakeawalk
          Looks like Tesla's frame - closer to a unitized body than a space frame (like space station). Nothing exotic about it, except for using aluminum and aluminum extrusions which are costly. http://electric-vehicles-cars-bikes.blogspot.com/2010/02/fisker-karma-chassis-first-pics.html Humvee type box down the middle of the interior
          letstakeawalk
          • 3 Years Ago
          @letstakeawalk
          Back to school, EVtrollGene! Thanks for showing your ignorance, it makes it easy to help show you where you're wrong. A space frame chassis is pretty standard parlance in the auto world. It means that the engine, trans, and other bits including body panels are attached to a skeletal framework. I agree, it's pretty common among high-end sports cars (Audi A8, Merc SLS AMG, Lamborghinis), which is why it's funny that you are ignorant of that aspect of auto design. The *other* way to go would be a monocoque chassis, or unitized body, where body panels are part of the structure. The Tesla Model S uses a unibody (monocoque) chassis. Basically, you couldn't be more wrong in your attempt to categorize the Karma's chassis.
          letstakeawalk
          • 3 Years Ago
          @letstakeawalk
          Feel free to read up on the chassis: "The result is an industry-leading space frame that provides a solid foundation for the Karma. Few cars match its statistics: Static torsional rigidity - the amount the space frame resists twisting forces when entering a ramp at an angle, for example - measures more than 33,000 Newton-meters per degree (Nm/deg). Static bending rigidity - the amount the space frame resists flexing forces as the car enters a ramp straight on, for example - measures more than 23,000 N/mm. Dynamic stiffness - the space frame's resistance to resonant vibrations like those felt when driving over a sharp bump or rough road surfaces -- is also world class. Priority: Safety Thanks to intelligent engineering solutions the Karma's space frame also provides the utmost in occupant safety and exceeds global crash protection standards. Front impact protection starts with a patent-pending, multi-cell tempered aluminium crush box that displaces high-impact energy away from passengers. Its unique design allows it to be easily replaced, reducing repair costs that could lower insurance premiums. Dual Phase 600-Series steel reinforced components in the doors and B pillars provide substantial side impact protection. And the lithium-ion battery's location in the center of the car puts it farthest from impact areas." http://green.autoblog.com/2010/02/17/geneva-preview-fisker-karmas-advanced-aluminum-space-frame/ The Karma's chassis sets a new benchmark for luxury sport sedans.
          EVnerdGene
          • 3 Years Ago
          @letstakeawalk
          "2. . . . . Considering its advanced chassis, there won't be any issues." ? Just what is so advanced about the chassis?
      William
      • 3 Years Ago
      Personally, I think Fisker will deliver a car that is far MORE than "decent", let alone a "scam". As turbonium noted, Henrik Fisker has an established reputation for excellence in design, and understands the "premium market" to which he is catering. The same goes for Valmet Automotive as a manufacturer- a rock solid reputation for excellence. Then consider the component suppliers, reservation holders, and major investors. It is hardly a recipe for disappointment or failure, let alone evidence of vehicular vaporware. Comparisons to Aptera are ridiculous, yes? Apples to Orangutans. Aptera could have been the EV equivalent of the Ford Model T, Citroen 2cv or VW Beetle. But the visionary creators who envisioned it, garnered financing and built numerous prototypes were replaced with Detroit rejects years ago. Rejects who were infamous for their failures, bankruptcies, and squandering of financial resources in the realm of "low volume muscle cars". Aptera's most loyal and vocal advocates were quick to recognize the folly of this travesty, and reluctantly predicted the death spiral set in motion. In EV terms, Aptera has been dead for "ages", the victim of gross mismanagement that burned through cash, good will and opportunity. Such a shame. It's natural to be skeptical, and it's human nature to despise delays of any kind. But we have the ability to reason, and recognize the difference between promising and disastrous factual data. Confusing the two does nothing but erode reaching a common goal.
      inthelv
      • 3 Years Ago
      I smell DeLorean....
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