• Mar 8th 2011 at 2:49PM
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Three out of four Canadians don't want an electric vehicle (EV) unless it can be recharged in less than four hours and boasts a range of at least 298 miles, according to a survey conducted by Deloitte. Apparently, the fact that more than 80 percent of Canadians drive less than 50 miles a day had no impact on the respondents' range expectations. On top of that, two-thirds of those surveyed said they would not pay a penny more for a battery-powered car than a comparable gasoline-fueled vehicle. So, clearly, most Canadians won't be happy with today's plug-in offerings.

However, there's something that could convince the majority of Canadians to consider giving electrified autos a shot: astronomical gas prices. Deloitte's survey found that most Canadians will consider buying an EV if gas prices reach $2.10 per liter ($8.12 U.S. per gallon at the current exchange rate), or nearly twice the price that drivers currently pay to fuel up in Canada. So, unless gas prices soar to an exorbitant level, the survey says that Canada probably won't lead the world in plug-in vehicle ownership anytime soon. Hat tip to Steve!

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      • 4 Years Ago
      This just shows what I've been saying this here for a long time. And it ain't just canucks.

      EV's have too many shortcomings to be taken seriously.

      A car with a realistic range of 70 miles that takes hours to charge is not going to sell. EVangelists who want or have their weenie-mobiles are shiny happy people but the rest of the 99.9% of the population won't buy this boondoggle.

      EVangelists just don't get it. It doesn't matter what oil and gasoline prices are. For the price, they're not practical. Even some work commutes are dicey with the limited range.

      And like it or not, you are what you drive. Prius owners already have the image of emasculated millies. Just what we need, more cars like the Leaf to press the point. LOL

      At least the EV Focus might remove some of the stigma although the range will still be horribly lacking.

      I guess it takes $100,000 to have a good looking electric car with some decent range.

      Maybe Leaf owners can discuss that at the next get together at Weenie Hut Jr.'s.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Have you ever owned a EV Potpie? Something tells me the answer is no. You know nothing of which you speak of. EVare here and they are viable. You go and by the tripe they been selling you for 90 years. You buy into the oil and auto, OEM's corporate greed scheme and prop it up all you want because it make you fat and happy driving long distance at high speeds, but the writing is on the wall, all the easy to get at oil is going faster than ever and prices are going up and all you can do is applaud like a seal.

        Potpie said, " It doesn't matter what oil and gasoline prices are"
        Not your finest statement Potpie, you should really rethink that one. Think hard. I think we both know that nothing will change old habits more than prohibitive costs. ICE didn't start out going 200 miles and EV will fallow the pattern but they will get there and I will help. I will have 24k miles on my EV after 2 years of driving, knowing this we all can see how truly unusable my EV is.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I would probably look at EVs within the next 5-10 years or if gas prices hit $4-$5 per litre. I just bought a new Golf TDI and I’m very happy with the 30% increase in fuel economy in the city compared to my 2002 2.0L Suzuki but because its more efficient and doesn’t generate enough heat it has trouble keeping the engine temp up because of the extreme cold but that is what heated seats are for.

      From what I have been reading the Nissan leaf EV range suffers in the extreme cold weather because the heating system uses just as much energy as keeping the car in motion. The winters are cold and long enough the last thing Canadians want is a cold car, yes you can plug it in and pre warm the car but I suspect these systems will be inadequate in Canada because of the power requirements in addition to heating the interior and charging the car don’t make it sound like a very green vehicle. Plus these EVs take forever and then some on a 110v 15amp outlet which we have almost everywhere outside.
      • 4 Years Ago
      To add to Menaces comment. When it gets down to 16F here in Portland I do notice my pack looses approx 3 miles range overnight. The batteries can be turned off and will be fine in -30F, they, Kokams batteries, can freeze completely this does not faze them but the battery warmers should be turned on 20 mins before use to get them up to operating temp. Actually the warmers should be turned on sooner for lower temps than 16F. Anywho, my Kokam batteries are safe to operate a 13C and should be warmed to that before operating them. Once the vehicle is in use the batteries stay warm from use as energy goes in and out of them from accelerating and regen braking. Cheers!
      • 4 Years Ago
      I am in Canada , i would love to have a Range extended EV or a plug in Hybrid for sure.
      • 4 Years Ago
      They'll change their minds if the price of oil keeps going up.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Just like all the other surveys like this...

      What do you think the results would look like if you polled all the townspeople on horseback about how much they supproted horseless carraiges in the 1880's?

      How are you supposed to know what you're missing before its here?
      • 4 Years Ago
      I wont touch an ev until gas is well above 10$ a gallon. And i think they're right, we canadians don't want Ev's.

      This survey must be old because we're already paying 1.30 per liter, or 4.92 US per gallon on average. twice that would be 10 dollars a gallon.
        • 4 Years Ago
        You must be in Vancouver or Montreal, because it's still a few cents per litre cheaper in Toronto. If, somehow, Canadian readers out there don't know about this site, check out http://www.tomorrowsgaspricetoday.com to find out what the price of gas will be at midnight each night during the week.

        Hooray for collusion, eh?

        On a side note, please vote for me in BMW's Ultimate Blogger contest. I'm a Canadian who actually wants an EV and made it quite clear in my entry post - http://endrasbmw.com/ultimateblogger/Snoopy
      • 4 Years Ago
      I live in Toronto and I've been driving a Prius with a Hymotion plugin conversion from A123 Systems since November 2009. The A123 battery pack has no heater, and in -15c temperatures I get roughly 10% less range in all-electric mode (20-25Km instead of 26-29Km). The pack is mostly meant as a big "assist" though, so while my summer mileage is about 2.3L/100Km (100mpg), in the winter I average 2.9 to 3.1L/100Km (76 to 81mpg). I am going between 1,100 to 1,600Km per tank and I am honestly aggravated at HAVING to stop for gas once every 5 to 9 weeks (winter to summer). I've spent about $110 in electricity since June 2010 charging the car, and I make regular weekend trips using zero fuel; just juice!

      I am SO ready for an all electric car now; my plugin hybrid is just a tease. The current offerings have a 140 to 160Km range, so even if I drive to work, then to my farthest friend's house, I'd still have enough range to go out for dinner somewhere and make it home without hitting a charge station and a spare 40 to 60Km worth of charge.

      Every electric car coming to market has a heated battery; thin wafer heater pads between cells. Each car lets you "warm-up" the battery and the cabin before you go out in the cold, just like a block heater except programmable.

      I will still have my plugin hybrid, or rather, my wife will have it. But the range is good enough for all my daily/weekly driving including exceptional days. It seems like a good quarter of us Canucks know better already. Sir Vix said it best; how can you know what you're missing if you've never had it in the first place.
        • 4 Years Ago
        You are really working that Hymotion retro fit pack snookums. I know a guy who is having problems with his after market Prius pack but I don't know that it is Hymotions. The cold does eat into the pack even my rather large pack. My range will very from 110 mile winter to 145 miles summer. 110 is on the below freezing days we don't get that many in Portland OR.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Wow. Who made this boneheaded analysis? Take a range of "required ranges" from between 100km and 600km and take an average? 298 isn't an even number for some median answer, or even the most common answer. And the "required" price of $2.10 a litre is equally stupid.

      The price of gas here in Vancouver is already above $1.20 a litre most of the time. Combine that with the fact that Whistler is only 125 km away from City Hall (pretty much right in the middle of the city), and the market potential in this town alone would probably outstrip most of the rest of the country.

      However, a "random sampling" in Canada is also going to result in finding people who live 100+ km from the nearest bank machine and supermarket, and require at a bare minimum (good weather in summer in the prairies) range of well over 200 km. Something like 40% of us live in small towns and rural locations.

      To use numbers like this to determine whether or not there is a market for electrics in this country is either stupid, or extremely biased.
      • 4 Years Ago
      DT is shoulder deep in the financial services area too...they do independent audits and they've been involved with a couple of the firms I've worked for...doesn't give me much faith in their results.

      I'd say that would be great if one quarter of all Canadians bought EV's, as Nixon points out.
      • 4 Years Ago
      As a Canadian not living in Vancouver/Toronto, there is no way in hell I would 'buy' the Volt or Leaf - 'leasing' on the other hand may be an option.

      I would need a version that has sufficient ground clearance, AWD and a battery setup that doesn't lose range in cold weather - then I could actually use the vehicle 12 months a year instead of 7 months.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Right. That's why Canada is a low priority market for EVs. Until the tech can handle deep cold.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Sounds like Canadians might be good candidates for plug in hybrids.
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