• Feb 22, 2011
Some automakers adopt the latest technologies in whatever form they come. Others define themselves around specific features. Take Subaru, for example, which has built up its reputation around two features: all-wheel drive and the boxer engine. In its joint venture with Toyota over a shared sportscar platform, Subaru may have had to give up on AWD (at least in conceptual form), but it's not budging an inch on the horizontally-opposed engine configuration.

So far, all we've seen of the Subaru version of what Toyota is calling the FT-86 program are some spy shots of test mules wearing modified Impreza bodywork. But both Toyota and Subaru are expected to unveil their own versions of the sports coupe at the upcoming Geneva Motor Show, and to pique our interests, the latter has released the single teaser shot you see above, representing the boxer engine nestled inside a Tron-like representation of the sportscar's frame. Not much to go on, really, but about all we've got so far, so check out the statement after the jump, follow the link to Subaru's website and watch this space for more. Thanks to everyone for the tips!

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FHI opens Special Site for the 81st Geneva International Motor Show
- Teaser Image of "BOXER Sports Car Architecture" released -

Tokyo, February 22, 2011 - Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, today announced the opening of a special website for the 81st Geneva Motor Show (Press day: March 1 and 2; Open to the public from March 3 through 13, 2011). FHI will also release a teaser image of its "BOXER Sports Car Architecture", a technology exhibit initially referred to as "Subaru Rear-Wheel Drive Sports Car Technology Concept". FHI is setting up this special website with a view to increasing customers' understanding of the philosophy underpinning this unique technology exhibit.

The SUBARU "BOXER Sports Car Architecture" embodies the technology concept of Subaru's Rear-Wheel Drive Sports Car, currently under joint development with Toyota Motor Corporation. It also represents a proposal of Subaru's new platform technology, build around its key component – the Horizontally-Opposed Subaru Boxer engine.

The special site will be opened today at 15:00 on the Subaru Global Site
http://www.subaru-global.com/boxersports.html
The site will feature information updates relating to the Geneva motor show and include the movie of Subaru's press conference.

About Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd.

Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd. (FHI), the maker of Subaru automobiles, is a leading manufacturer in Japan with a long history of technological innovations that dates back to its origin as an aircraft company. While the automotive business is a main business pillar, FHI's Aerospace, Industrial Products and Eco Technologies divisions offer a diverse range of products from general-purpose engines, power generators, and sanitation trucks to small airplanes, crucial components for passenger aircrafts, and wind-powered electricity generating systems.

Recognized internationally for its AWD (all-wheel drive) technology and Horizontally-Opposed engines in Subaru, FHI is also spearheading the development of environmentally friendly products and is committed to contributing to global environmental preservation.


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      • 3 Years Ago
      I don't know about anyone else that's commented on this so far, but Subaru's got me foaming at the mouth for the Geneva show to kick off. My current economic condition is going to force me into the non-WRX 2012 Impreza, but if it looks like the concept and is more fun to drive than a Civic (even if not much more), I'll accept that fate. Furthermore, I'm eager to welcome a RWD Subaru into the world.
      • 3 Years Ago
      BoxerFanatic
      The reason I mentioned the gtr is because of how well it does with its weight . To me this is an overweight monster ( godzilla ) that seems to defy the laws of physics to me by how quickly it can do Neuremberg . I attribute a large part of this to its awd system . Other things come into play of course , like its downforce , sheer power , 0 - 60 times - 2.88 .
      My point was ,its awd that makes this car so able in the 1st place .

      To jump ahead . Good looking awd sport coupes like the old mitsu's ? None .
      But those cars were alot lighter back then and would be weighted down if made today , with all the saftey features built in , causing them to loose their edge or be priced upwards with a bigger motor to compensate for the weight gain if made today .
      2 wd keeps costs down .

      Re awd in winter , where I live they isen't much snow , never lasts that longer than 3 weeks a year give or take . During this time I see more awd's and 4wds in the ditch than any other vehicle on the highway . People become overconfident in them , so the benefit here where I live is negated .

      A sporty good looking rwd coupe won't take any sales from the wrx or sti (both ugly ). Both cater to a different audience .

      If an awd version of the rwd coupe is offered it would be pricier and cater to a different crowd for the most part , so I agree , the 2 cars could exist side by side and give you what you want .

      But didn't you say that can't happen because the engine is too far back to accomodate awd if it was to have good balance ?
      Whats the point of making a sport coupe with awd if it doesn't have good balance ? ( I lost interest in the rwd genesis coupe for this very reason , and it was only 2 wd ) .

      Probably cost is what makes an awd coupe unviable at this time . Being a coupe already deminishes appeal to alot of people by making it a niche product like your Miata . Also the higher price of awd and poorer mpg might see sales deminish even further .

      Re . Accord coupe , Dull ? Have you driven the v6 ?
      You say power is not a problem . but your car is Tuned .so it does .

      I liked the Ford Probe GT . It was spunky and fun to drive car . Almost bought a used one , but didn't pass my mechanics inspection .

      I totally agree and prefer a fwd cars even here in winter . But might reconsider if the rwd car is truly outstanding .

      I like Miatas alot , just crappy for city driving imo.

      I can understand how strong your desire is to have a Subaru awd sytem in a good looking coupe . Time will tell if it will be made . If sales take off for the rwd coupe you can bet your ass they will make it .

        • 3 Years Ago
        I can't buy a RWD coupe, just in hopes that the sales figures will get them to build an AWD coupe. I wouldn't be able to justify the depreciation to trade over.

        Weight balance is a matter of degree, not an on-off switch, and weight balance purity has to be balanced with other pragmatic qualities.

        I have a sports car, I don't need another. When I do, maybe I'll consider this car, and have said such, and wish it to be built. And having a drop-top makes the sports car even more attractive to take out on a nice day, or to find an excuse to drive it somewhere. If I were driving it to a race-track maybe the coupe sports car would be more in that idiom.

        I need a daily driver, and where I live, we get a heck of a lot of snow, and there is snow on the ground more than a third of the year, and wet, sandy grubby roads after that.

        I don't want my daily driver to be bigger, bulkier, or heavier than it needs to be, but not as single-purpose as a sports car, though either. I don't want to commute in a vehicle the size of a CUV just to get AWD, as I don't even really need the space of a sedan.

        I would give some ideal balance, and some minimium size and weight, in order to get every-day comfortable entrance and egress, a moderate amount of cargo space under a hatchback, and AWD capability. As your GTR analogy shows, a car that makes some of those compromises, still need not be a slouch in terms of performance, but rather can be one of the best, and most versatile. It is no lotus, that is for sure.

        Not that a Lotus, or this FT-86 car should be denied. They should by all means be available. But not everyone can afford to be that focused in their use, and want a bit more versatility than laser-like focus. Who want ride quality over broken pavement, even if that means not quite as precise of handling. A race car would get beaten to death by most public roads. People who want AWD traction, even if it gives up a degree of optimal weight distribution, and has a slight mechanical drag effect. The benefits far outweigh the costs in those areas, at least for me, around here.

        Not every car needs to be classified by either being technically ideal, but practically limited in use, or otherwise considered to be vastly inferior and not to be considered.

        Cost does not preclude an AWD coupe from being built. They simply could build a 2-door body on the Impreza's chassis. They could have kept building that since 2000, if they wanted to. It would cost no more, and possibly slightly a small margin less to build an Impreza-based coupe. Less door parts and a simpler unibody stamping. The AWD system is already there, across the whole Subaru line.

        They simply chose to depart from their AWD core competency, and pursue a RWD chassis with Toyota, and re-badge the same car under both brands, rather than letting toyota sell the RWD chassis, while Subaru built a 2-door bodystyle on the impreza chassis at a similar price point with AWD in place. Maybe the RWD car would be cheaper than an Impreza, but an Impreza coupe would not be more expensive than it's existing price points.

        If the FT-86 and NA Impreza 2-door were both built, chances are they would both be prices somewhere between the Impreza's 18-23K price-range. Add a turbo, and it pretty much matches Impreza GT/WRX price points from 24-29K. Add all the STI toys, and it prices about the same as the WRX STI already does. Maybe slightly less for a RWD car without the DCCD and more expensive 6MT STI gearbox.

        The only parts that the RWD car loses over the AWD car is some complexity in the transaxle, vs. a standard transmission, and the front half-shafts, and maybe simpler front hub assemblies. But the front hubs still have to exist, and the transmission still has to exist. The RWD car probably needs a slightly more robust rear differential and rear driveline, as well, since it is handling 100% of the transmission's output, not half of it.

        The big differentiator is the geometry of the car, not so much the overall parts count. If the engine is in the way, you can't install the front driveline to add AWD later. It is not that easy to completely re-design the engine location, and wheelbase to make that change. You basically end up with the differences between the Impreza and the FT-86, as two different, but related chassis.

        If Subaru does offer two coupes, and after a decade of none, I have a hard time believing that they will, they will have to make it significantly different. I would love to be proven wrong, and have Subaru offer two coupes. I just hope that the market pressure to differentiate the two cars won't push the bigger AWD coupe too big. An Impreza Design Concept derived coupe would be great. A 2010+ Legacy-based coupe would be too big, and needlessly bulky.

        IF they do, and push the AWD coupe up-market, into the gap between Legacy 3
      • 3 Years Ago
      Great. I really hate toyota now.
        • 3 Years Ago
        I couldn't agree with you more. Other than their 90's cars, my future view of Toyota is toast. Is there anything they can't ruin in their quest for world domination?
        • 3 Years Ago
        @mythreerocks...

        I am not the only one here who has been wishing for this to be an AWD coupe since it was first rumored almost 5 years ago, and have been wanting Subaru to build an AWD coupe since they stopped selling them more than 10 years ago.

        Cars don't last forever, and when all of the Subaru AWD coupes are mostly gone, there won't be any Subaru coupes to replace them with.

        And not much else that is comparable.

        There are plenty of RWD and FWD sport coupes under 35K to choose from.

        There isn't one that is AWD. There used to be several, before CAFE-favoring-SUVS and the Japanese recession killed the coupe market in the late 90s.

        The RWD and FWD coupes have come back. There is not an AWD sport coupe that has come back yet.

        Strangely enough, though the GTR is lauded for it's huge technical advantages, one of which is absolutely tenacious AWD traction. It isn't lambasted for being AWD. Maybe lambasted for being huge and ugly, but not for being AWD or turbocharged and powerful.

        How would it be a bad thing to scale that premise down to a coupe aligned with the impreza, WRX, and STI price points and performance levels? At least ONE option like that on the market, in the midst of plenty of RWD and FWD coupes otherwise... and this RWD boxer coupe also available from Scion or Toyota. I am not trying to deny other people what they want, too.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @quentin...

        So are WRX STIs just an understeering, power sapping buzz-kill, then? How about a Mitsubishi Evo? It has a front-engine, as pretty much all transverse cars have their engine in front of the transaxle that drives the front wheels... How about an Audi S5, or TT-S? both are front-engined.

        Just because something isn't absolutely ideal, doesn't mean it is therefore horrible.

        I don't begrudge people who want this little RWD car. that is fine.

        But it is going to be relatively useless in the winter, when AWD subarus shine, and AWD subarus are no slouch in the dry, either.

        A theoretical AWD Subaru sport coupe (like SVX, GC-impreza, XT, and RX were previously) may not be a sports car by the pure definition, but then neither is a Mustang, an Audi S5, or a Nissan GTR. they are all very good performance cars, but they are not strict-definition sports cars, as they are too big and too practical to be the purest driving cars. They have more than two seats, for instance. otherwise they could be shorter and lighter cars without those extra seats, or extra drivetrain for 4-wheels, or a decent sized trunk.... things like that.

        Some of us would rather have an any-season, highly versatile AWD sport coupe, than a one-track-minded strict sports car that only really works well on nice days. A sports car can be a very attractive thing, but also very limited. MR2 Spyder was a sports car. It couldn't hold more than a pack of gum and a passenger at the same time, and was too impractical for most people to buy.
        • 3 Years Ago
        AWD seems to work fine in the WRX and STi.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @boxer: I assume you picked $35k because that's close to the average car price.

        If one can drop $40k, then the Audi TT quattro is a possibility.

        And no, I don't know why the TT quattro is $10k more than the A3 quattro.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Maybe Toyota and Subaru did some market research and found that BoxerFanatic is not a market large enough to warrant a niche variation of a niche product.

        Just sayin'.
        • 3 Years Ago
        ^golf clap boxerfanatic.
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'm far more interested in what Factory Five is doing with a mid-engined rwd kit car based on a WRX drivetrain.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Amen.

        If my SVX gives out, I have an engine donor for that project. I am looking very much forward to that.

        If you are going to have a sports car with no practical compromise, it might as well be mid-aft engined, and built to preference. Porsche tastes, on a Subaru operating budget.
        • 3 Years Ago
        I'm currently trying to keep an 88 MR2 alive with an S/C transplant. That kind of qualifies. And before you answer to that, I've seen some of the Factory Five cars and am still curious about how they hold up to day to day driving. It's a good start, so far. And I think the choice of the Subie drive train shows an intelligence and foresight (gas mileage) to the future. Or I can buy a five year old Forester for about half the price. Hmmmm....
        • 3 Years Ago
        I have seen some that are abysmal, and some that are very well done.

        One could argue that the Rossion (was Noble), and Ultima GTR are in some ways like a kit car. The Gardner Douglas T70 replica is a kit car, as are most Shelby Cobras.

        A kit car might not be really cheap, and still be very good, but taking a Boxster Spyder or Cayman R, and then tuning it up from there, like a 3.8 X51 engine swap and track-ready coil-over suspension, isn't cheap either.

        Where a kit car gets built to suit from the get-go, without having to buy the a car full of parts first, and then swap a bunch of them out to get what you really wanted in the first place.

        Plus the FFR kit is supposed to be 10-15K... plus some Subaru donor parts and some subaru-compatible aftermarket parts... Should be pretty affordable compared to a new Porsche, or maybe even a used one. And the running costs after the build, would probably be lower than Porsche parts and labor, by using subaru parts instead.

        Cars are not a cheap hobby no matter how you look at it... but there is a matter of degree.
      • 3 Years Ago
      No turbo, no care.
      • 3 Years Ago
      I'm puzzled what is the harm to Subaru to offering a strictly RWD or FWD? They are in the low end of any market they compete in excepting the notable WRX where often AWD and the accompanying costs reduces their competitiveness. They once offered FWD models that sold well in warm weather states then they went exclusively AWD and sales have suffered ever since, of course some really ugly styling in the interim didn't help.

      As it is only Land Rover is AWD exclusively and in their market it makes sense plus their prices can easily absorb the costs. I'm sure when the Subaru execs tour around Aspen in January this approach seems spot on. Were this approach truly prescient Honda and Toyota would have soon followed suit but that hasn't happened. Even the birthplace of Quattro sells FWD and AWD despite drinking the Koolaid.

        • 3 Years Ago
        It is simply not an option for this kind of vehicle any more than it is an option for a miata. the front drive shaft would have to be where the front cylinders are. Sportscars have to be designed from the ground up as sportscars. The option for awd would have killed this cars center of gravity, weight, cost and performance. This is a modern porshe 944, not a modern 2.5 rs.
      • 3 Years Ago
      No AWD, no thanks.
      • 3 Years Ago
      Well that confirms that the Subaru version will not have AWD. So how do they plan on differentiating them at this point? Hopefully it's coupe vs hatch, 'cause I want a hatch.
      I'm also loving how low and far back that engine sits.
        • 3 Years Ago
        BoxerFanatic: They've previously said the engine will use direct injection, and the FB20 in the Forester doesn't have that. So the engine we'll see on the Toyobaru will likely be different than the Forester. Hence we don't know how much horsepower it'll make. Could still very well be 200hp.
        • 3 Years Ago
        AWD is a sacrifice so that the engine can sit low in the body and have that sporty low hood line.

        The real difference will be in the looks department between the Subaru and Toyota version. Subaru has been experimenting with e-AWD where two wheels are driven by electric motors making a AWD drive-train unnecessary (its seen production in the Japanese Nissan Micra and doesn't require batteries). So we may see something like that in the Subaru version of the 86.

        Its already been announced that this engine will have direct-injection so hopefully we'll see that carried over to other Subaru flat-4 models.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @rsholland...

        The chassis is not engineered to be swappable like that.

        If the engine is mounted further back, there isn't likely room for a transaxle or half-shafts to reach the front hubs. A divorced front differential is probably more complex and expensive than a car like this can survive if it has to pay back the R&D, and amortize the unique parts. People won't buy this car if it is more expensive than it should be.

        If the rumors are true about an FB-series 2.0L boxer 4 with about 160-180 horsepower, it already may be facing power deficits compared to the Genesis Coupe and Mustang V6, and doesn't have the wider 'roadster' appeal of a convertible like a Miata. They would have to add a turbo, a 6-cylinder, or a convertible top, or a combination.

        The only other thing they would do, is to offer the 2012 upcoming Impreza, based on the Impreza Design Concept, as a coupe, which would be a different (but related) chassis than this RWD coupe, with the engine in front of the virtual front axle line, just as any other AWD subaru.

        I highly doubt Subaru is going to have two different chassis coupes with similar equipment levels, and similar prices, both in the showroom at the same time. It would be too expensive for the sales base to support.

        If Subaru sells a RWD coupe in a chassis that cannot support AWD, which this is... it pretty much assures that they won't be selling an AWD coupe right next to it, which means that they probably won't be selling an AWD coupe at all, and impreza will likely stay as 4 or 5 doors, rather than 2 or 3.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @James Sonne
        I agree. That is why I suggest that this RWD coupe be offered, just not as a Subaru branded vehicle. I think it would give some credibility to Scion or Toyota, and still known to enthusiasts to be Subaru underneath, like the Saab 9^2X was known as a subaru underneath. If I wanted a RWD coupe, I would consider the GenCoupe 3.8 GT or Track.
        I might consider this RWD coupe as well, if I fit in it. But options exist, except the option of an AWD sport coupe, which doesn't really exist in that segment.
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        @Boudou
        I'd rather have a competent car that I can drive every day. The boxer engine doesn't sit any lower than it otherwise does, just further back. I like low hoodlines, and blame regulations for ruining that, but I still want the AWD capability over a sleek hoodline. A sleek hoodline doesn't get me home safely in a blizzard.

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        @sugaki and Boudou
        Maybe it will have 200hp, I don't know. Those were the early rumors, but later rumors suggested that they were going for more fuel efficiency, and were projecting it to compete more with the CRZ, without the hybrid additional weight. They seemed to be going for efficiency through simplicity, which isn't a bad idea... but that isn't what is going to compete with Genesis or Mustang. If it gets any heavier than Miata, it won't compete there, either, in addition to not being as compelling to non-enthusiasts by not having a "fun" convertible top.

        CRZ is having enough trouble. I am not sure if Toyota is anxious to make a sport coupe slow by weighing it down with a redundant drivetrain with electric motors, and batteries and a generator. It would be simpler and more economical just to build a lighter coupe body on the Impreza chassis with mechanical AWD in place than trying to cram mechanical and electric drive into a small compact or sub-compact coupe.
        • 3 Years Ago
        I've got mixed feelings. ANY good, sporty car in the right price range is a welcome addition. Right now we can only choose between a Mustang V6 and an I4 Hyundai GenC
        • 3 Years Ago
        lammablewater says: "Well that confirms that the Subaru version will not have AWD."

        No it doesn't. It just confirms there will be a RWD version. Just because an AWD version wasn't announced doesn't mean there's not one waiting in the wings to be announced at some later date.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Ok now everyone pray for the STI engine.
      • 3 Years Ago
      If it is not 4WD, does that mean it will be FWD?
        • 3 Years Ago
        nope didnt read a thing, just reacting to the image, thanks MikeofSmelLA!! ;-)
      • 3 Years Ago
      If I really wanted to replace my Miata with a coupe... I would maybe consider it.

      The premise itself is not a bad one.

      However, I don't want to replace my mazda. I want to upgrade MY SUBARUS!!!
      If Subaru won't build me a car to replace my aging SVX, or other people's aging 2.5RS coupes, XTs, or 3-door Leone RX coupes, WHO WILL?

      This from the only person who has probably EVER been reprimanded by NASIOC, A SUBARU forum, for talking TOO MUCH about AWD.

      A boxer engine is integral to Subaru, but so is AWD performance. Something you can't get anywhere else in a coupe format, anywhere near the price point that doesn't also come with a mandated automatic gearbox, or 400+ extra pounds of weight, such as the A5 or the G37x.

      None of this is believable. This has to be the twilight zone.

      I hope this car does well, I REALLY do. But it belongs in the Toyota or Scion lineups.

      If AWD doesn't mean anything to Subaru anymore, who will it mean something to? Everybody else builds 2WD coupes already.

      IF I WANTED THAT, I WOULD ALREADY HAVE ONE.

      I want to enjoy a sporty coupe all year round, including the depths of winter, when there isn't a whole lot else to enjoy.

      A light-tail RWD sub-compact coupe is not going to do that very well. I KNOW. I have snow tires and a limited slip diff for the Miata... and guess what, I BOUGHT ANOTHER SUBARU, the SVX last year, so that we'd have another competent car in the winter, and could leave the Miata in the garage.

      I want a combination of my Legacy and SVX, in one new Subaru coupe. That shouldn't be too much to ask from the company that built both of those cars in the first place, and the new Impreza is going to be just about the right size.

      It would make so much more sense to have an Impreza coupe bodystyle with the new IDC based Impreza, rather than a redundant-with-toyota, inconsistent-with-subaru RWD coupe.

      Go ahead and reprimand me for wanting Subaru to stick to what Subaru has done better than others so far, rather than abandoning one of their core competencies. You wouldn't be the first to do so.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Amen dude, nicely worded. I couldn't have said it any better myself. They need to have AWD on this baby...
        • 3 Years Ago
        I know exactly what front-mid engine means.

        And there is no way in hell this car will have a similar polar moment of inertia to a mid-aft-engined Porsche Cayman. Similar to 370Z maybe. Mid-front, and mid-aft are not the same thing, nor equivalent.

        If Subaru had built Toyota's new MR2 with this car, with a properly mid-aft engined boxer, and a lateral-only version of the Subaru transaxle, they might have my attention, and one could argue that they could sell both that and an Impreza-based AWD front-engined coupe, as they would be different enough to simultaneously co-exist.

        Front-engined AWD, and Front-mid RWD look too much alike, and one would succeed while the other fails, or both would fail to reach critical mass, if sold out of the same showrooms at the same price points. It is going to have enough trouble reaching profitability for either brand if the same car is offered both as Toyota/Scion and Subaru.

        The coupe market exists, but it isn't THAT big. Products have to be carefully executed, priced, and marketed, and they have to be done RIGHT, or they easily fail, much easier than a mainstream appliance vehicle.

        A very focused vehicle has a very narrow use, and an even narrower customer base. A more versatile vehicle is less technically 'ideal' on paper, but in real world use is just that, more versatile to use.

        And I have never once said this RWD car should not be built. I repeat almost by rote, that I hope this car is built, and sold, but as a Scion or a Toyota. I don't know why people continue to respond to me as if I want this RWD coupe to never exist, because it couldn't be further from the truth.

        Fans of this format would still get their platform, from a Scion or Toyota dealership, with Subaru tech inside.

        Selling this out of a Subaru dealership showroom as well pretty much ensures that there will not be an AWD coupe alternative to this being sold at all.

        So thanks for that, Subaru. For screwing your fan-base out of a coupe body style option of tried and appreciated AWD performance, and denying a specific corner of the market for another decade, while Miata fans get a coupe choice from Scion/Toyota, AND from Subaru, of which they will probably only buy one or the other anyway.

        Win-Lose. It could have been Win-Win.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Your point of view was taken into consideration when they made the "rwd only" decision very early in development. The focus was to be on simple, light-weight and rwd. I am very excited for the result. That is a mid-engine position, people are used to that meaning behind the driver but that is not necessarily the case. This thing is going to have a center of gravity and polar-moment of inertia similar to a porsche cayman. Very good news for the toyota version as well because it speaks to the purpose built nature of the platform

        I am very glad it is a focused vehicle rather than some kind of compromised awd svx rebirth. .
        • 3 Years Ago
        Boxer you must read this , just came across this today . You may get your wish afterall
        http://www.leftlanenews.com/subaru-coupe.html
        • 3 Years Ago
        +1 my thoughts exactly. If it's not AWD, don't put a Subaru badge on it.
      • 3 Years Ago
      I have to agree with the people stating that AWD would almost certainly make this car worse of a sports car. This car is meant to be light and sporty. The increased weight of AWD in a car already weighing ~1300kg is significant. As is the extra driveline loss with only 210Nm.
      The point of a RWD SPORTS car is to be able to influence the attitude of a car with the throttle. With only 150kw and 210Nm of torque this is possible with RWD but not AWD.
      AWD in this situation is only useful during very low grip conditions such as snow and ice. Therefore AWD would make this car more practical for snow and ice conditions but make it heavier, slower and understeer in the dry.

      The point of this car in particular is to replicate the market space that the AE86 had in the 80s and to capitalise on the continued support for the car. A 2012 version of the AE86 should compete against the Golf Gti (as the AE86 did in 1984). Therefore it must do 400m in around 15.0 and have some practicality while offering some side-ways action. The Subaru version is just a re-bodied version of this, always has been.

      btw. The WRX has always been an understeering pain in the butt. A rapid grocery getter, but barely a sports car.
      • 3 Years Ago
      All well and good . . . and expected (we all know what a Subaru engine looks like!) . . . but when are we going to see the actual car? Toyota revealed its version months ago; what's with Subaru? Let's see the thing!
        • 3 Years Ago
        Did you not read the article?

        "...both Toyota and Subaru are expected to unveil their own versions of the sports coupe at the upcoming Geneva Motor Show..."

        The show starts March 1st.
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