• Jan 13, 2011
The bike vs car debate extends into the drifting arena – Click above to watch video after the jump

Regardless of where you stand on the "drifting is/isn't a form of motorsports" debate, it's fun to watch a car being piloted on full opposite lock. But is it possible on a motorcycle? Icon Motorsports rider Nick Brocha answers with a fat sideways-smoking yes.

Icon may be known for providing gear for maniacs fans of two-wheeled transportation, but they also sponsor a team of skilled bikers. Brocha is one of those riders and he pits his modded Kawasaki ZX10 against Jim Guthrie and his Corvette-powered Mazda RX-7 drift machine. Add in some cameras (one strapped to an R/C car) and a prime location and we have ourselves an entertaining video, which you can watch after the jump.

[Source: Icon Motorsports via Hell for Leather]


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      • 3 Years Ago
      Nifty cinematography with the slomo cams. And I don't think I heard a vette motor ping off the limiter quite so often. (hey, that doesn't sound like a rotary...) :)
      • 3 Years Ago
      I am SO impressed by the bike rider. The guy made me yearn for my younger days. :-(
      And I thought the RC camera car was cool and funny.
      • 3 Years Ago
      So who won?
        • 3 Years Ago
        The bike won...unless the dude in the rx7 was able to drag his fingers while sideways
      • 3 Years Ago
      ...the problem its the FD engine makes the car understeering, the car its perfectly balanced whit the original engine just ask Amemiya about them FD or Fujita engeenering
        • 3 Years Ago
        Elmo is just trolling from his armchair. Fact is, only people with small endowments feel the need to say a car they know nothing about sucks. There's not even a comparison involved, just the absolutest statement which is complete BS.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Hey Nate, mind showing to me where I said the stock engine or the car itself sucks?
        • 3 Years Ago
        @ Elmo

        Well if a defense is put forth for the rotary, you just call the person who puts that idea forward as a "fanboy" implying they're irrationally defending something which is inferior, in this case the rotary engine. So basically every time you called someone a fanboy you were implying a rotary is inferior to an LS.

        Should I put a QED at the end of this post or is the logic straight forward enough for you?
      • 3 Years Ago
      That video is pretty sick. The guy on the bike has some serious talent to be able to do that, and the Mazda is a sexy car, has the right powerplant as well.
        • 3 Years Ago
        No, it has a Corvette engine.
      • 3 Years Ago
      One of the best chassis ever made, combined with one of the best engines designs ever. I love me some LS powered RX-7!
      • 3 Years Ago
      Makes me want a motorcycle again... and an RC car! More info on the RC car? (seriously!)
      • 3 Years Ago
      That Kawi is doing a poor job at "drifting". If you want to see real drifting on a bike, check out some guys on motards....
        • 3 Years Ago
        Or a dirt track.
      • 3 Years Ago
      When did a corvette engine only put out 375hp?
        • 3 Years Ago

        In the C5.
        • 3 Years Ago
        The LS1 in the C5 made 345hp.
      • 3 Years Ago
      OMG OMG OMG OMG Sandia Motorsports on a Autoblog post! :D My buddy is the head banging flag guy!
      • 3 Years Ago
      I heard that the Corvette engine makes the RX-7 perfectly balanced 50/50. Is this true?
        • 3 Years Ago
        Yes, it true despite what the Mazda fanboy above me said.

        The LS1 is lighter and more balanced than the 13B-REW.
        • 3 Years Ago
        The very idea of putting anything else into an RX-7 is outrageous blasphemy. Let alone an engine from a Chevrolet.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Two things define these days in automotive forums. Firstly, the phrase " fanboy" is actually synonymous with extremely knowledgeable and experienced person. Secondly, being knowledgeable and experienced causes lots of butthurt among American redneck "racers", which makes them to use the word "fanboy" in the above contexts in the first place. Nothing new here, but for some reason the degree of butthurt seems to be escalating gradually.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @787b

        So your name and the way you're personally defending the rotary shouldn't say you're a fanboy?
        • 3 Years Ago
        With the Ls1 in a Rx7 you would have to compensate

        Engines weights minus transmissions
        LT1= 510lbs
        LS1 = 415lbs
        13brew = 356lb
        13bmsp = 276lb
        (Honda s2000)f22c = 346lb
        (Nissan Silvia)sr20det= 328lb
        (Subaru WRX)ej20det= 346
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Naggs: not even close. 1. weight distribution is stated in front/rear, not rear/front 2. 61/39 is atrocious as a function of either. It's technically true that 50/50 is not perfect. In racing and performance driving the more accurate ideal is ~48/52, so that you have 50/50 when braking through a corner due to weight transfer. There is no standard tho seeing as every car transfers weight differently, but you were way off, regardless.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Uhhh.. Elmo, I've picked up my heavier FC's 13B so I doubt he's lying about picking up an REW. It's not light but it's not even improbable that he did what he claims. Clearly you've just demonstrated you know nothing about these engines because you've never even been in the presence of one.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Elmo. Name-calling doesn't help, you are wrong.

        There is no dispute the RX-7 with the stock engine is perfectly balanced at 50/50. The LS swap adds about 50 lb to the front. Go to Granny's Speed Shop and read the FAQ.
        • 3 Years Ago
        I'm gonna throw a +1 at Corner49, I've always heard 48/52 was proper for racing.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Nateb
        I don't suffer from a fallacy of anything. Where exactly did I say the LS1 wasn't more top heavy than a wankel?
        the question was explicitly do LS RX-7 swaps keep a 50/50 balance, and they do. You're going out of your way to answer a question no one asked.
        And that center running crank also necessitates the tranny be mounted higher doesn't it, I've not read up on it but I would imagine that negates any disadvantage the LS1 has for being taller.
        • 3 Years Ago
        @Elmo

        Wait- I'm sorry- A small block chevy V8 is lighter than the 1.3 liter rotary? Wtf are you people smoking- I've picked up full RX-7 engines BY MYSELF.

        The only way to preserve the weight distribution after installing the LS is to mount it in the drivers seat.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Not it is not true.

        It's perfect 50/50 with the original twin-turbo 13B-REW rotary.

        The LS makes it nose-heavy.
        • 3 Years Ago
        Jay and Elmo suffer from the fallacy of only thinking about weight balance between front and back. The problem is that top vs bottom weight is a massive issue when it comes to handling. While LS swaps into RXs CAN be within a hundred pounds of the original curb weight, the nose-heaviness is still noticeable for people who have actually driven the rotary version of the car. (Most LS swaps are done on engineless shells people have found so they have no point of reference and seem content in bragging about their torque numbers). More importantly, the top heaviness causes serious roll and twists the chassis in weird ways it wasn't designed for. The simple fact is that rotaries have a crankshaft going through their centres while piston engines have them in the bottom so by design, any swapped engine sits higher than a rotary and puts a rolling weight on the front of the chassis. Not good for handling or compliance.
        • 3 Years Ago
        The weight distribution on the bike is skewed forward as well. This is essentially a drag bike, hence the extra looooong swingarm. Less of a tendency to wheelie, and instead get the power to the ground. I guess somebody got sideways on the strip, and put 2 'n 2 together. Drifter!!!
      • 3 Years Ago
      The most impressive thing about this vid is the speed of the RC car. Nick touching the floor on the last corner is pretty cool too.
      I prefer to watch drifting as a byproduct of serious racing though, like Moto GP, WRC or Touring Car.
        • 3 Years Ago
        yeah pretty neat. I particularly like when the RC Cam car is pwnd by the cone. "oops" :-]
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