• Dec 21, 2010
The fight against E15 is heating up as a group of automakers have joined together to file a lawsuit that seeks to overturn the Environmental Protection Agency's decision to make available higher blends of ethanol for newer vehicles.
Ford, General Motors and Chrysler represent Detroit as part of the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which also includes Jaguar, Land Rover, Porsche, BMW, Toyota, Mazda, Mercedes-Benz, Mitsubishi, Volkswagen and Volvo. The Auto Alliance is now part of a lawsuit that includes the International Automobile Manufacturers, the National Marine Manufacturers Association and the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute.

The groups are looking to overturn the EPA's decision to grant a partial waiver for E15. Besides the environmental and possible vehicular effects that E15 can cause, the idea that the EPA can even grant a partial waiver is also being questioned. Thanks for the tip, Jesse!

[Source: Detroit News – sub. req.]


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      contactmarkc
      • 4 Years Ago
      Is it just me or does this crap make your car/truck get less MPG I have noticed that my 2000 Suburban used to always get20-22mpg and now it gets 16-18mpg which still is not bad for a 5.3 V8 full size SUV it has just turned 100000 miles looks and drives like new have changed oil with Mobil 1 since first day every 2500 miles We love the size and will not be trading it until new cars get much better mpg anyone find it effecting their mpg as well?
        • 4 Years Ago
        @contactmarkc
        It kills your MPG *and* engine power.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Ethanol is brought to us by that beam of light and brilliance, the EPA. It is the same group of deep thinkers that brought us mtbe, that wonderful addition to the ground water. There is an idiot out there who will defend this by saying "ethanol is not as bad as mtbe." Stupidity cubed.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I thought the economic reasoning behind this movement was disproved years ago. What a terrible idea...
      • 4 Years Ago
      I own Iowa farmland. When the Ethanol first began it's climb to acceptance dozens of processing plants were built. Each of these plants consume between 35-40,000 bushels per day. The benefit is approx 1.3 gallons of product for each gallon of fuel consumed. Minimum benefit for sure. Cellulosic ethanol from corn Stover (the stuff thrown out the back of the combine) may be up to 11 gallons of product. When you factor in the fact Ethanol has less energy per unit, any benefit is reduced even more.

      There is one Stover plant under construction to the west of my place with great influx of government dollars - it's still not on line. When the Stover is removed from the ground the ground becomes very hard and difficult to prepare for crops. It also requires additional fertilizer. Unintended consequences.

      About a year and a half ago farmers realized this Ethanol thing wasn't going to make it and most of these Ethanol plants closed and came up for sale. Very few are in operation currently and no more are planned I know of.

      The primary benefit of Ethanol is it's an alcohol and as a result a solvent. It also adsorbs water. Both help to keep your fuel system clean. There is a place for Ethanol as part of a TOTAL energy plan for our country, but so far we don't have that policy. It's certainly not the end all, nor should it be. The argument can be made that every gallon of Ethanol consumed is one gallon less of foreign oil we import, but when our sole energy policy is to stop drilling..period, well any benefit is questionable at best.

      BTW, my income has remained the same for the last number of years. Yes, corn prices have gone up partially due to the Ethanol demand, but so has my cost of doing business. For example, seed cord has gone from about $150/bag to $260+ (a bag is about the size of bag of water softener salt). I don't even buy by the bag, but a 5'x5'x5' flat and fertilizer costs are now more than the seed corn.

      There is no free lunch. No farmer I know wants government subsidies, but at the moment it costs more to raise a bushel of corn than it can be sold for. W/out the subsidies everyone I know, myself included would have to sell out. Like racing, if you want to make a little money in farming, start out with a lot of money... We'd also like to break out of being lower-middle class, go on a vacation with the family once-in-awhile, and live a normal life. There is an attachment to the ground that can't be explained. We all love what we do. It's who we are. I'd like to see some government leadership with a total energy policy of which Ethanol plays a small part.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Thanks for your take on things.

        If I remember correctly from some random high school class as well, part of the reason for subsidies, aside from helping to provide affordable food to America, was to make sure that we have enough excess to be able to provide for and export to countries and extend our influence globally. Unfortunately, using such a large percentage of corn for fuel wouldn't help either of those initiatives.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Some states need to be sued for the new diesel fuel mandates coming out in the future. I believe I read recently of two or three states mandating B20 in 2012-2014, which is completely not compatible with all or at least most of the new diesel cars and trucks being sold today, especially the VW models. I can be wrong, but I am pretty sure I read that about a week ago.

      • 4 Years Ago
      I wonder whether there will be food riots in America in the future.
      • 4 Years Ago
      There are pretty dangerous side effects from E15 in power equipment and warranty claims have the potential to severely hurt all these manufacturers since there is really no way to confirm that a machine was fueled with E15 vs E10.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Where do I sign up?
      The Guvmint has no business funding, or forcing us to use a certain kind of fuel in our cars.
      Let the market determine what works best in our cars.
      • 4 Years Ago
      EPA, in league with Dept. of Interior, are attempting to stifle further domestic onshore oil and gas production. EPA is also taking advice and guidance from radical green groups who don't give a damn about the economic realities we live in. We really shouldn't be too surprised that the College Professor in Chief (Obama) has stocked his entire administration with fellow college professors and their Green allies. These people don't have a clue how the real world works, but they do have some definite ideas on what their version of Utopia should look like. Of course these utopians are blind to the consequences of their actions, and could care less how it harms the average american or America itself. Let us hope the American public never gets snookered into electing a radical liberal again.

      ContactMark: There's absolutely no need to change your oil @ 2500 miles using synthetic. I drive a '02 WRX and also use Mobil 1, but only change it every 5-6000 miles. It has 170k on it now and still runs like new.
        contactmarkc
        • 4 Years Ago
        Thanks for the advice. My mistake its more like 3500miles I'd rather be safe than sorry I use the changed oil in my lawnmower it still looks new
      • 4 Years Ago
      Can they get rid of E10 while they're at it. I'd like my car to get 37mpg instead of just 33.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Very glad to see that everyone's taking action against this!
      contactmarkc
      • 4 Years Ago
      Why can't we all get in on the class action suit? EPA wants higher mpg cars but turns around and adds E10 E15 to fuel and gets less mpg. How is this helping the oil consumption oxy-moron solution only the Gov.is capable of getting away with. I bet not one of those in Politics checks or really cares what they get for mpg Their fuel is either put on a Gov. credit card and perhaps a Gov furnished ride we pay for. anyone with info on how to join this E15 law suit should post the info for all to join in on Just maybe we could make a difference, voting does not seem to work maybe its time to sue those responsible Gov. or not
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