• Nov 15th 2010 at 6:54PM
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Later this week, Toyota will unveil the RAV4 EV, a vehicle packing Tesla-developed technology, at the 2010 Los Angeles Auto Show. The battery-powered SUV could be the vehicle that convinces other automakers, Toyota and Daimler included, to license Tesla's electric vehicle technologies for use in their own models. Well, at least that's what Tesla chief executive officer, Elon Musk, hopes will happen shortly after the curtain is lifted from the RAV4 EV.
While speaking with the Nikkei (sub. req.), a Japanese news outlet, Musk revealed the automakers intentions:
...Tesla has already contacted tie-up partners Toyota and Daimler AG and asked them if they are interested in licensing its technologies.Tesla is also interested in joining hands with Toyota in the area of customer service, adding that Tesla's cars could be serviced at Toyota facilities.
Striking a single deal with one automaker, like Tesla did with Toyota, is one thing; licensing technology to numerous manufacturers could seriously increase Tesla's clout in the industry.

[Source: Nikkei (sub. req.) via Green Car Congress]

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      • 8 Months Ago
      even though it might not have any long term benefit it's sure to raise the stock price until the likely demise of tesla motors kick in around 2013
      • 8 Months Ago
      This has been known for a while now...Tesla has an entire group within the company devoted to producing packs and BMS to be licensed. They have had the Smart EV's system on lock for a while now, Toyota is just their most recent (and "biggest") buyer.

      Awesome news for Tesla that their system is being well received by other companies...with the credentials of the staff they have, I wouldn't expect any less.
      • 8 Months Ago
      Nothing new.

      "In January 2009, Daimler finally felt confident enough to buy 1,000 battery packs for the Smart in a deal worth more than $40 million for Tesla"

      from: Wired Magazine - Oct 2010

      $40m divided by 1000 = $40,000 per pack.
      I wonder how much an electric SMART will cost ?
      • 8 Months Ago
      Heh. Good luck with that, Tesla!!

      I am sure automakers will be falling all over your 6000+ laptop cell pack. It may be cheap ( right now.... and until someone makes appropriately sized cells ), but it's going to be nightmarish warranty work when cells fail.

      I wish Panasonic could be convinced to produce cells that are 100-200 times bigger. It would make for a better and more accurate BMS, less wiring, less wasted space, less weight, less hunting and pecking when a cell goes dead... etc!

      This Tesla format seems to be a dead end. I don't think it will sell. Not when other automakers have better solutions.
      • 8 Months Ago
      Hmmm good one. So Tesla still has not handed over IP to Toyota??. Smart as they should not.

      However I am

      Still confused as to why they hang on to the 18650 design however._GSB
        • 8 Months Ago
        18650s: cheap + very energy dense + lots of volume (no need to worry about supply constraints).
        • 8 Months Ago
        They surveyed the batteries that were available, and when they started in 2003 the 18650 LiIon cells had the lowest price per Kwh and the highest energy density, so it was an easy decision. Thanks to high volume use in other electronics, those cells are still the cheapest option.

        Of course, Tesla isn't wedded to one type of battery, if a better cheaper battery were to come along they'd be able to adapt their technology to it fairly quickly.
        • 8 Months Ago
        It's also a lot easier to prevent thermal runaways with 18650's versus large format batteries as smaller cells = less energy to contain if one decides to fail. If you went with the chemically safe nanophosphates you'd be losing a lot of energy density as well.
      • 8 Months Ago
      Interesting news. But I can't help but wonder where the world's heading with all of these battery packs. What happens when the world adopts vehicles which rely heavily on battery packs, and then finds out that the chemical used to build them aren't very recyclable? Or is there something I'm missing here? Don't get me wrong, I'm absolutely all for electric vehicles (in fact I'm helping building a EREV at my school for a GM sponsored competition, see links below) but I would really like to see more research into developing greener energy storage solutions.

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        • 8 Months Ago
        Ah, thanks royharvie, I stand corrected. After some research it looks like Lithium cells are quite eco friendly (compared to other battery technologies of course).
        • 8 Months Ago
        What are you talking about? Lithium batteries are recyclable. Tesla has already contracted with a recycle company for end of life of roadster batteries. Lithium is also non-toxic and easy to handle, near ideal for your green energy storage. Now Nickel-Metal-Hydride batteries do have toxic components and are harder to recycle.
        • 8 Months Ago

        this is the company that will be recycling Tesla's used LiCoO2 cells:


        • 8 Months Ago
        NiCd are toxic. NiMH are not.
      • 8 Months Ago
      excellent : translates to me :

      Elon Musk is in process of understanding

      Management arrogance never take to any where.
      It doesn't add any value.
      The valuable part in a company is its IP and engineering.

      Great !!

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