• Oct 1st 2010 at 5:38PM
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Porsche is engaged in roundtable discussions about re-entering Formula 1. The Stuttgart automaker has been in and out of Formula 1 for decades, and now with Volkswagen making noises about entering various racing series like NASCAR, it appears all that's left to be decided is which manufacturer will go where. The latest pie to be split has an LMP1 car on one side and an F1 car on the other, with Audi and Porsche holding the forks. Audi has already said it doesn't fit with Formula 1, leaving Porsche as the de facto F1 entrant.

Porsche's current racing involvement is mainly through customer programs, so this move (should it happen) would mark a return to full-on heavy duty factory involvement. VW has been in talks with the FIA about providing a so-called "world engine" for F1, but it's unclear whether Porsche's involvement would hinge on that coming to pass or if the automaker would make an engine regardless. The Williams F1 team's overtures to VW could provide another point of entry to the pinnacle of motorsport.

[Source: Autocar]

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      • 4 Years Ago
      Porsche getting involved in F1 could only make the series better. But what level of involvement does the company plan? Just an engine supplier? With a formula change possible by 2013 - down to a 1.6 liter turbo, and the uncertainty about that, I don't see Porsche entering the field soon. Of course, they would have just as much lead time as other entrants to design a new engine, but if they develop a new chassis and field their own team, the approval process could take a couple years. If they pursue F1, I'd look for them in the 2014 season.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I really hope they do get back in. Everyone says Porsche has the pedigree and all that, but apparently I'm too young to understand it because I must not have been alive when they were a dominant force in motorsport. I see them winning the 24 hours of Nurburgring, but somehow I just never really hear them winning unlike Ferrari or McLaren in F1.

      I guess you could say that it's not so much that I don't believe they have the pedigree, but I just don't really know it or understand it because I haven't seen their success in racing myself. I'm just curious why the general public's consensus seems to be that BMW is really good, but Porsche is even better. I can see why people would say BMW is good since the E30 M3 is the most successful road race car ever, but somehow the 911 just never seemed to give me that feeling.

      Please, I didn't mean to be offensive at all, but do feel free to educate me.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Wow that's a lot more incredible than I imagined. Guess that shows why they're so popular.

        But, if they were so great and successful, why did they stop? I don't see them competing in anything.. or at least I don't hear them competing in much of anything. Maybe I'm just too oblivious.

        This makes me hope they get back in F1 even more though.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Just hit the books. You could start with "Porsche: Excellence was Expected" by Karl Ludvigsen and "Porsche Racing Cars of the 70's" by Jurgen Barth. Porsche has arguably the best racing resume there is. They have won in a vast array of racing disciplines from LeMans to Paris Dakar Rally Raid to Can Am. The 911 and it's variants have won overall at LeMans,Daytona,Targa Florio,Monte Carlo Rally, Paris Dakar and countless events in between all over the globe.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ IOMTT: id love to see the turbo panzer back!
      • 4 Years Ago


      The first clip is a video game, but gives you a good idea of engine sound.
      The second clip is a lap from the Detroit Grands Prix with Murray Walker commentary.

      Both showcase the sound. SOUND. Sound is important in F1. You're not going to a symphony, but you still want to hear the engine.

      So if you approach the turbo and small displacement 4pot from a "this doesn't sound as good" standpoint, Simplecar; that much we ALL understand.

      Honestly, I agree with Jenson Button. F1 is the biggest, baddest form of racing on the planet. It needs the biggest and most extravagant engines as well. V10. 900+ horsepower.

      However, As Renault has proven this year, aerodynamic upgrades are very important. They've improved lap times by 1.7 seconds SINCE THE START OF THIS SEASON.

      So unless you want to talk about anti-lag, variable geometry or twin scroll turbos, Simplecar, shut up. Offer a way to improve a turbo.

      Electrically spun turbines or something, you know? I'm not inclined to believe you, that a V10 is less complex than a turbo 4. Moving parts are moving parts. Period.

      "The most powerful F1 engine in history. 4 bar of turbo pressure and no wastegate in qualification. 1300hp in 1.5 lt displacement." This engine won't make HALF that much power without KERS.

      And if Porsche is to develop KERS for future vehicles, getting into F1 now would pay dividends for ALL VW group engines.

      @Miral. Engines are 2.4 litres, not 2.5. As to the displacement, every F1 site that's commented on displacement have talked 1.4-1.6 litre turbo 4's. Ferrari's engineers would prefer a 1.8 litre V6. No one's talked about a 2 litre engine.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Who wants to bet this "world engine" is a (explicative) hybrid?!
        • 4 Years Ago
        This world engine rubbish sounds like bad news, thanks bernie.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I read this earlier today. Nothing could make me happier to have Porsche back in F1.

      I don't think it will be a hybrid, maybe bring back KERS, but more than likely it will be the return of the turbo to F1 which would be awesome.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @simplecar Its cool that you really know nothing about turbos.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Farris: Naw, he'd still find something to complain about... "That roll cage adds too much weight." or "Those headlight stickers are too complex."

        Bring on the turbos. At 10,000 RPMs, no one can hear you spool.
        • 4 Years Ago
        With a couple million dollars to develop turbos for F1, I am pretty sure they would develop a turbo that produces zero lag for their racing speeds.

        If I am not mistaken a Porsche Turbo already has a variable turbine angle turbo which reduces lag to almost zero.

        Even if they don't it comes down to personal opinion. I happen to think that the more complex an F1 car the better, that is what F1 is. If you want less complex watch Nascar.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Oh god. Don't tell SimpleCar to watch NASCAR... He'd probably cream his pants over those cars.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Yes, yes, and also...yes.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Turbos have been in F1 in the past, nothing new. The reason they were removed was because of all this being green crap. This is a reason why i dont see the turbo coming back. They are still looking to get more environmental engines. They run 2.5L at the mo and there are talks to get the engines to be a 2.0L.

      The big thing i want back for F1 is refuelling. But that could be a long shot too.
      • 4 Years Ago
      i just want there to be 4 teams in the hunt for the championship. Mercedes isnt a JOKE, but they just don't seem to be there, they seem to have been pushed back to Renault level.

      if Porsche does get into f1. i would hope they would take a teams space and not add to it. i wouldn't mind seeing HRT, or virgin, getting bought up even Williams, only cause i know most of that unit would stay in tact.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Nothing puts a bigger smile on my face as boost building to over a bar as a turbo spools up..

      .. For F1, make that 2 or 3 bar...
        • 4 Years Ago
        What a BMW model car (no matter how cool it is) has to do with Porsche coming to F1? I want to see a Williams/Porsche team. BTW Someone knows which are the Porsche racing colors?
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