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Fisker Karma preview party – Click above to watch video after the jump

Back in early August, Fisker of Orange County unveiled the Karma in spectacular fashion. Well, at least that's what the dealership wanted us to believe. The event that actually took place in early August is what we'd call a public appearance, but Fisker of Orange County treated the situation as though we had never laid eyes on the oft-delayed, yet-to-be-driven, much-hyped plug-in hybrid.

Now, we've been tipped about another Fisker bash and this time, Rickenbaugh Cadillac-Volvo of Denver, CO, is calling it a Karma launch party. Launch? To the best of our knowledge, Fisker is months away (well, maybe) from launching anything, but we don't want to spoil Rickenbaugh's party with that bit of info. Or do we?

Hit the jump
to watch the Rickenbaugh clan as they attempt, but fail, to accurately describe the attributes that make the Fisker Karma a sparkling addition to their lineup of vehicles. In Rickenbaugh's defense, they may have mistaken the Karma hybrid for that pure electric roadster that does compete with the likes of Ferrari and Aston Martin. Hat tip to Roy!

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      • 4 Years Ago
      This was one of many stops on the Fisker Karma's dealer tour of North America.

      Our Fisker enthusiast community covered the Karma tour extensively in our thread here, with lots of quality photos and videos:

      http://fiskerbuzz.com/forums/Thread-Karma-on-North-American-tour
      amgordo
      • 4 Years Ago
      i swear it seem ABG has it in for Fisker & this car, I mean they hope to build it & future modules in the US aka JOBS. So why are so many write ups on this care so negative? Look to pull off a new car company in this time of afwul fiscal deals from many countries is amazing to me! I hope they do build it I hope it makes a big splash so it will help all of us & get jobs. Maybe it & other cars will get us away from using so much oil. ATB is acting like Fox News or Rush or Glenn, hoping the President fails just to make themselves seem important. If ATB knows all why are you guys not starting your own car company...but nah the folks at ATB just like to look down & point out faults with people who are at least trying to make things better...
      • 1 Month Ago
      Nothing says class like cheesy keyboard trumpets.
      • 1 Month Ago
      Needs less party and more launch.
      • 4 Years Ago
      ABG is feeling pretty snarky, today. For media types who've been whining a lot recently about being left out of the loop, there's very little enthusiasm shown here for video of the car being shown to prospective buyers (the people who really count!)

      "In Rickenbaugh's defense, they may have mistaken the Karma hybrid for that pure electric roadster that does compete with the likes of Ferrari and Aston Martin."

      The Karma is not a sportscar, so maybe comparing it to a DB9 or a 599 is a bit hyperbolic - but that's what salespeople do. And, to be completely honest, there's a fair argument that the Tesla Roadster doesn't really compete with Ferrari or Aston. It's great in a straight line, but that's about the only metric where the Roadster competes with the other two marques.

      A more direct comparison for the Karma would be the S-class, the 5-Series, the Quattroporte from Maserati; the Karma is serious competition in the luxury sport-sedan segment.

      As Boyprodigy1 points out, the Karma is still driven by an electric motor (two, actually) with a little more than 400 horsepower. 0-60mph is in just under 6 seconds, which is pretty respectable for such a large car.
        • 1 Month Ago
        "...that ICE is connected directly to emotors bypassing battery."

        That's it. Use your logic to sort things out.

        The Q-Drive controller can send power from the ICE to either the battery (for storage) or to the electric motors (for extra oomph).

        So, the battery has a peak of 200kW. The electric motors have a peak of 300kW. The ICE has a peak of 260 hp.

        The wheels only see hp from the electric motors (up to 403hp), and the electric motors see kW from the battery alone ("Stealth" mode) or from the battery *and* the ICE ("Sport" mode) This is a serious oversimplification of what's going on, of course, so I hope you are beginning to understand.

        The ICE's hp rating is irrelevant to total mechanical horsepower.
        • 1 Month Ago
        @Letstalkawalk. Excuse me, I thought Karma was a parallel hybrid? If it is a series, I am sorry for the mistake. Being a series hybrid it will preform similar to a Volt . Yes I understood it had 50 miles EV capability. Wonder what the pack size is? Perhaps more kwh but less foot print as they have more time before coming to market than Volt. It will be heavier because more luxurious options but lighter, more expensive materials will go into it.

        Sorry Lestalkawalk, I may have been a bit sarcastic when I said, "the Volt can go coast to coast on electricity without plugging in." While the statement, technically is true, what it insinuates is not. In fact, without gas, the Volt would not go coast to coast on electricity without plugging in. I find it laughable that the ex CEO of GM Whitacre would make such a propaganda statement. The fact that the Volt travels from coast to coast on gas such as any other ICEV is not impressive and certainly not news worthy.

        I was really only, incorrectly, trying to compare the hybrid aspect of Volt and Karma. At the same time, lambasting the press release comments of GM's ex CEO.

        Those sales people certainly seemed motivated, indeed salivating at the prospect of a nice commission selling a Karma.
        • 1 Month Ago
        "If Karma draws its power from the battery and battery has limit of 200kW then how come it has 400HP combined engine power? Does engine drive emotors directly bypassing battery? That would mean that it has 200 or so HP ICE under the hood as well."

        The Karma has two 150kW motors. The 260 hp ICE isn't connected to the wheels, and doesn't count in regard to the 403 hp the electric motors are capable of putting out.
        • 1 Month Ago
        "Wonder what the pack size is?"

        "The Fisker Karma utilizes a 20 kW/h (200kW peak) Lithium-ion battery with an extremely stable Iron Phosphate composition.

        "Battery maintenance is minimal with a 10 year or 100,000 mile lifecycle."

        http://www.fiskerautomotive.com/files/fisker_brochure.pdf
        • 1 Month Ago
        "Looks like it also has this "pedestrian friendly" noise-pollution speakers too. I hope it sounds like straight-pipe harley."

        The speakers have been part of the design from the very beginning; they never intended it to be silent. The sound sounds a little like a jet turbine combined.

        You can hear it a little in the Laguna Seca lap:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYSue9cyDQo

        You can also hear it at the very beginning of this early prototype testing:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3popUiJLXs&feature=related
        • 1 Month Ago
        If you can draw only 200kW out of the battery and there are no other sources for power then output is limited to 200kW. No matter if it had quadtrillion 150kW engines spinning tires. Either this marketing is lying or that ICE is connected directly to emotors bypassing battery.
        • 1 Month Ago
        If Karma draws its power from the battery and battery has limit of 200kW then how come it has 400HP combined engine power? Does engine drive emotors directly bypassing battery? That would mean that it has 200 or so HP ICE under the hood as well.

        In fact from Karma brochure:

        " Gasoline Engine: 260 HP Turbocharged 2.0 liter Direct Injection"
        ....
        Uh, that brochure is full of typos or marketing people do not know anything about tech.

        "The Fisker Karma utilizes a 20 kW/h (200kW peak) Lithium-ion battery" 20kWh not 20kW/h

        Later in tech specs it says that battery peak power is 20kW, not 200kW.

        Someone should proof-read that.

        Looks like it also has this "pedestrian friendly" noise-pollution speakers too. I hope it sounds like straight-pipe harley. Maybe if you could choose sounds to that system I would like to add some 1980 -era Wartburg sound to it. Maybe added with smoke-effects too for authenticate feeling. If you could add smell then maybe also deaf people could notice it too.
        • 1 Month Ago
        D*mn, I was hoping something cool. If you are planning to cause noise-pollution it should at least be something cool (or funny), not just some lame-ass whining.

        That extremely boring Laguna Sega uTube sound could be the actual electric engines making noise, but that other uTube sounded like artificial sound (the little you could hear it).
      • 4 Years Ago
      I figure everyone that buys a Fisker should send us (American taxpayers) a THANK YOU note for subsidizing their car by about $1,000,000. That's a million friggin' bucks = over one half a friggin' BILLION.
      The DOE loaned this nobody car company $529M to develop this car - with no collateral.

      NO. Rights to sell the leftovers from this fiasco is not collateral to anyone but maybe the government. Homes and yachts of the owners would be considered collateral before the current bunch of morons took over the swamp (Washingon DC).

      But, will they every reach 529 sales ?
        • 1 Month Ago
        @EV nerd Gene
        The DOE loaned Fisker $529M to develop the Nina not the Karma. The Nina is the family sedan. They plan to produce 100,000 or more of the Ninas per year. Hopefully they do well and pay back the loans as well as provide a boost to the US economy.
        • 1 Month Ago
        I'll start the ball rolling...

        Thanks, Citizens of the United States, for bankrolling a loan to an ecologically aware American company that wants to build the next-generation of hybrid-electric cars in American factories with American labor!

        Your contribution will allow the United States to reduce its dependence on foreign sources of energy, while simultaneously helping to reduce the detrimental effect automobiles have on our environment. Thanks you for funding a program that has so many positive benefits.

        The Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing (ATVM) Loan program is a good example of the multi-administrational effort that has contributed to the development of EV programs by automakers like Ford, Nissan, Tesla, and of course, Fisker.
        • 1 Month Ago
        Karma will go down in US history as the biggest scam played on naive investors.
      • 1 Month Ago
      @ letstakeawalk#16
      The guys that started this are from Europe. I guess Europe is plumb out of foolish money?
      Karma will be built in Finland (by Americans?).

      @ nottoosmart #17
      Nina will be built where? Who knows, if ever.

      @ levine96629 #18 Thank God someone still has some common sense in this country. Bet you're someone that has paid some taxes in his life, and is wondering if you'll ever get a Social Security check or when your hard-earned dollars will be worthless?

      Kiddies - THINK - which is more efficient?

      a: gas engine -> drivetrain

      b: gas engine -> alternator -> motor driver (controller) -> electric motor -> drivetrain


      in case you are lost, "b" is a series hybrid
        • 1 Month Ago
        Fisker is a California company. It doesn't matter where the employees are from.

        Fisker owns a factory in in Wilmington DE, which is where the Nina will be built. Karma production will initially be in Finland at Valmet - because Fisker is a brand-new concern and didn't have a factory, it made sense to outsource the very first model. Porsche has cars built there as well, so it's not an unusual situation in the auto industry.


        Your comparison suggests that you prefer "a: gas engine -> drivetrain" over a hybrid. I think you are very confused... and I'm not sure why you are displaying so much hostility to an American company that is trying to move away from the current automotive paradigm.
      • 4 Years Ago
      "The Volt has the ability to run off premium gas, coast to coast, while using it's batteries to achieve approx 37 mpg, maybe 47 mpg, who knows? Fisker Karma can't do this."

      EVsuperhero, try 27 mpg, that is the actual figure retrieved. Last July 4, Independence Day, the fuel consumption from Austin Texas to New York city trip were purposefully hidden away by GM. You are better off driving a regular mid size sedan on this kind of long distance travel.
        • 1 Month Ago
        Yea, seems I haven't got anything right about this car. I forgot most of what I learned about it so long ago. As long as the CEO of Fisker doesn't come out and play word games such as, "the car will drive coast to coast off electricity without plugging in". I am ok with it. Whitacre from GM is gone now. Good riddance, I hope the new CEO of GM does not make inaccurate provocative statements that allow uneducated auto consumers to come to the wrong conclusions.
      • 1 Month Ago
      letstakeawalk - check your Constitution. I don't see anywhere in it that government should be in the business of picking winners and losers, and loaning money to companies, especially without any REAL collateral.

      I'm not just picking on Fisker, but also Tesla, and others that should have raised their money in private markets - specially since they're builing cars fo rich fok. Let the rich fok invest. LG Chem - a Korean company got $150 Million.

      But the Fisker deal is the worst of the bunch, and smells bad with some big names involved in taking contributions and returning favors - read AlGore
      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125383160812639013.html

      and technologically - what do they bring to the table or what earth-shattering discovery are they working on to make it worth investing deficit dollars? I read an investment newsletter that says each job attributable to the STIMULUS has cost us about $1,000,000. Great Investment America.

      Mark #22 was right.
      A series hybrid doesn't especially get good gas mileage - because it is less efficient than a normal car. go figure
        • 1 Month Ago
        You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Im interrested to buy along with the biofuel machine associated with this ?car? offering.
        • 1 Month Ago
        Google Translator is a bitch
      • 4 Years Ago
      It is still driven by an electric motor, so the car probably accelerates pretty well...
        • 1 Month Ago
        fedup with foolish dumb super heros , super heros needs knoledge - read buddy read first.

        Karma is also a PHEV and EREV so its can run after 40 miles on gas , so cost to cost is possible.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisker_Karma

        PHEV : Plugin hybrid EV
        EREV : Extended range Electric Vehicle



        • 1 Month Ago
        Yes, but the Volt can go coast to coast on electricity, with out plugging in. No other car corp can claim this. Fisker Karma can't do this.

        The Volt can go 40 miles without gas and never has to recharge again. Karma can do this.

        The Volt has the ability to run off premium gas, coast to coast, while using it's batteries to achieve approx 37 mpg, maybe 47 mpg, who knows? Fisker Karma can't do this.

        Just some observations.
        • 1 Month Ago
        EVsuperhero

        "...but the Volt can go coast to coast on electricity, with out plugging in. No other car corp can claim this. Fisker Karma can't do this."

        What? The Karma is pretty much exactly the same as the Volt. They both run on pure battery, and they both have gas range extenders. The Karma actually goes further on pure battery (about fifty miles). Then, once the battery range is depleted, the ICE fires up, and powers the battery - just like in the Volt.

        "The Volt has the ability to run off premium gas, coast to coast, while using it's batteries to achieve approx 37 mpg, maybe 47 mpg, who knows? Fisker Karma can't do this."

        You don't know what the Karma can do, because those numbers aren't out yet. Of course, it would be absurd to expect a fully-loaded luxury sedan with higher-power electric motors to get *better* mileage than a much smaller and less powerful Volt. However, the mpg-equivalent numbers ought to be substantially better than the luxury sedans the Karma will be competing with.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Nothing sells the car like a sleazy salesmen! (not)
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