• Aug 27th 2010 at 4:31PM
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Now this is a rumor. According to the crafty crew at Inside Line, Lotus is set to release details on its planned resurrection of the long-dead Esprit at this year's Paris Motor Show. Even better? There's some indication that the top-of-the-line model may pack the same heavenly V10 found in the current Lexus LFA. Oh yes, we're excited. Inside Line spoke with someone at Lexus who's cozy with the deal who hinted that the 552-horsepower 10-pot would find its way into the car in order to help it better compete with the likes of Ferrari. That's right, kids; Lotus is movin' on up.

There's also word that lower-rung trims will receive the same 5.0-liter V8 found in the Lexus IS-F. With 416 horsepower, that lump is no slouch. Both engine choices would seem to dovetail with the close partnership we've seen between Lotus and Lexus parent company Toyota in the past, and with new Lotus CEO Dany Bahar (formerly of Ferrari) clamoring for ever more powerful, upscale models, all of the puzzle pieces seem to be falling into place.

Still, that's almost way too much awesome for most manufacturers to handle. Fortunately, the Paris show is just a handful of weeks away, so we should know which parts of this rumor are solid in short order.

[Source: Inside Line]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      this makes the price on the lfa even more absurd.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Neither the V10 or the V8 are Toyota engines. They're Yamaha, Toyota sources them from Yamaha & either way at 5.0L both are TOO BIG & heavy for a Lotus.

      Lotus should use the same 3.5L 500hp V8 they're using in their F1 track car or a 3.0-3.5 V6/V8 with turbos for about the same power.
      • 5 Years Ago
      This will be awesome if true.
      • 5 Years Ago
      What should we call Lotus now? It's clear that they are about to abandon their history, heritage and mantra, those things that made Lotus special and unique. So what should we call them now?
        • 5 Years Ago
        i have this feeling that wouldn't be first time Lotus used engine from Toyota

        hopefully that Lotus does not get spanked by cars that cost 1/3 of its price (LFA vs. SLS)
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Abandon their heritage"? You seem to know nothing about Lotus history.

        The Lotus Elite, one of the most well-recognized and beloved of Chapman's cars, had a 75hp Conventry Climax FW engine. A company best known for making fork-lifts (the company still makes fork lifts under Kalmar Climax brand), and the FW engine has a heritage with fire pumps.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Pretty asinine comment. Are you aware of what was powering the previous Esprit? Lotus never manufactured their own engines and there is nothing particularly shameful of these Toyota powerplants.
        • 5 Years Ago
        How does this not match their history?
        • 5 Years Ago
        "hopefully that Lotus does not get spanked by cars that cost 1/3 of its price (LFA vs. SLS)"

        so when did this supposed "spanking" take place... in your toy box? lol.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Come on, they still go with the "Simplify, then add lightness" mantra.
        What's more simple than "Power + handling = fast car"?
        • 5 Years Ago
        How about "Whoretus"?
        • 5 Years Ago

        It won't be bad, if the Lotus is 1/3rd of the LF-A's price, as it hopefully should be.

        With Lexus V8 and V10 power, it should slot somewhere in around the R8 4.2 and 5.2, or maybe slightly higher toward Gallardo, F458, and MP4-12C McLaren.

        No way should it cost nearly half a million, like the LF-A.

        If Lotus can build a great chassis for the Evora and price the car near Cayman/Carrera territory, it should be able to design a longitudinal engine layout variant for double the price point, or less, including the cost of the more expensive -F lexus engines and a transaxle for them.

        And if Lotus can make it look hot, then it will be great. The engines aren't the big problems with either the LF-A (far too high a price, and ugly), or the IS-F (too small to be practical, and as such should be a sleeker coupe, and lose the ungainly bodykit).

        Those engines in a proper aft-midship location, in a good looking, excellent handling car, would be very nice. And hopefully priced just as nicely.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Sorry to say since I find the rumor is very hard to believe. The LFA's race bred V10 engine is made from many exotic materials. Consider its Toyota F1-derived engine block, solid titanium valves, forged titanium connecting rods, forged aluminum pistons, magnesium alloy cylinder head covers, ultra-lightweight solid rocker arms with diamond-like carbon (DLC) with silicon coating and integrated oil jets, motor sport-developed independently-controlled throttle body, dry sump lubrication and 9500rpm rev limiter and you know what I mean...the chance for this engine to see its duty in the Esprit is being close to zero. But here's hoping.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm with you, Alex. Toyota didn't even bother providing their direct-injected, 305hp V6 for the Evora, giving Lotus instead the plain-Jane unit from the Camry. Why would they give Lotus their crown jewel? There's a higher chance that it'll be the massaged LS- sourced V8 from the IS-F, but that's a pretty large and heavy lump, which doesn't fit with the "less is more" philosophy of Lotus.

        I'd much rather see the direct-injected 3.5 liter V6 with twin turbochargers pumping out a healthy 450hp. It would meet the new approach to performance, with lesser emissions, better mileage, low weight and good shove when required.

        Not that I would mind seeing that V10, of couse. That wail at 9000rpm, simply awesome...
        • 5 Years Ago
        the Toyota F1 engines where designed and build in Germany(Cologne).

        i was there with a friend of the family, fixing and doing maintenance on computer for the Toyota European HQ (where as lexus also resides).
        i could glimps some toyota WRC rally cars from below garage door.

        i was there when their first F1 car was still a prototype and i would get arrested if i would get near to the building behind the offices.

        i'm pretty sure this engine was designed here aswel.

        but anyway, lotus could alter carracter of the engine, by using different cams, different software, etc, etc.

        so i don't see any danger for the LFA.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I don't buy it.

      Yeah, Lotus uses Toyota engines now, but those are rather "generic" engines also found in the Camry. I simply do not see the benefit to Toyota to sell their top of the line powerplant from their brand new halo car to the competition.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yeah, I thought of that reason, but lets not forget how low volumes that Lotus sells in... its just not in big enough numbers to help pay for the R&D on Toyotas end. I just don't think it makes economic, nor business sense in my opinion. Companies tend to not want to give up or share their crown jewels. Not that it wouldn't be cool, but to me the rumor sounds wrong.
      • 5 Years Ago
      It does make a lot of sense and since Lotus now has quite the history with Toyota power it should be easy enough to figure out.

      All of the reality stuff aside, am I the only one that really misses the Esprit having a gigantic 4cyl. Turbo? I lost interest in the original when they added the V8. I am sure it was a better engine, but there was just something so brash, cool and British about a true super-car that had a 4-banger (944 S2 while cool does not count as a super-car). Kinda felt to me like the whole Mini "David and Goliath" thing on a larger scale. Once they put in the V8 it became like every other mid-engined exotic. At that point it loses that British charm and you have to pay attention to the spec charts and how it compares to other real cars.

      British stuff should be ridiculous, otherwise it just isn't cool. Even the Elise was almost not cool cause they put a reliable engine in it, but then they were nice enough to sell it without carpet and all was right with the world.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Nice, I like. Good to see a cool engine be shared with another car that isn't as frumpy looking as the LFA.

      What is that part on the front of the engine that looks like dual oil filters but isn't? (I assume)
        • 5 Years Ago
        The end of the cams where the VVT control mechanism is?
        • 5 Years Ago
        No, they are dual oil filters.
        • 5 Years Ago
        If Lotus can match the level of beauty of the Evora they will have a winner on their hands.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Oh lord, that fantastic sounding engine in a car I might actually be able to hear/see in real life? (maybe even purchase ;)) I'm sold.
        • 5 Years Ago
        While I think it would be inline(given the engine and supposed spec sheet) to be well north of 100k, I think the new C.E.O. wants that price even higher. He has made it very clear that Ferrari, Lambo and the other true super car makers are his target. I don't think the world needs 'another one' and in my estimation departs from what I think Lotus is and should be. While the Evora is a nice car, it is priced too low for his plan and that means you can look at the Ferrari line up as the bench mark. In other words, good by Elise/Exige, good bye eventually Evora, hello new (Place Name Here) with stating price at 200k + for entry level "Lotus" just like Ferrari today.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm hoping low-100k range. Maybe upwards of 140k. And I was kidding about the purchase comment.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Wazoo I 'm interested in what you think the price of this car is going to be?
      • 5 Years Ago
      not good. you know it's gonna weigh two tons now.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The weight reference was to the 2gr-fse, which is heavier than the plain jane 2gr-fe.
        And it should be, if the engine cost $40,000.
        • 5 Years Ago
        But that really makes no sense.
        The bore is 88mm, and I think bore spacing is 95mm (in the 1LR-GUE), and the bore is 94mm, and bore spacing is 104mm in the 2gr-fe IIRC
        The V10 should still be 4 inches longer.
        Height is irrelevant. A 72 degree engine with a dry sump is going to be way shorter. apples to apples.
        Width, do you consider the exhaust headers of the V10?

        The 2gr-fe is pretty light, 'service weight' of under 360lbs. Now do you consider all the ancillaries for the V10, the huge mess of the oiling system.
      • 5 Years Ago
      @npchaos - I realize this and it is that fact that would keep me from ever purchasing a Lotus.
      • 5 Years Ago
      the elise uses a toyota engine, so this makes A LOT of sense.
      wow, looking at the esprit again, it was such a great lookin car.
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