• Aug 12th 2010 at 8:59AM
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Cadillac Sixteen concept – Click above for high-res image gallery

There was a time, not so long ago, that if you wanted a proper fullsize luxury sedan (short of a Bentley or Rolls-Royce, at least), your choices were "largely" limited to the German three: the BMW 7 Series, Audi A8 and Mercedes-Benz S-Class. But that was before the Lexus LS came along, the Infiniti Q45 came and went, when Jaguar's XJ was still a tight fit (and an unreliable one at that) and the Maserati Quattroporte didn't really factor into the equation. Don't even get us started on underdogs like the Volkswagen Phaeton and Hyundai Equus, but you get the point. Volvo recently became the latest rumored to be joining the fold, and now it looks like Cadillac could as well.

Substantiating earlier reports, the latest batch indicate that the call for a fullsize Caddy to battle the German stalwarts came right from the top, from GM CEO Ed Whitacre. And why shouldn't it? After all, if the head of one of the largest corporations in the world needs a new ride, he shouldn't have to look to a competitor like his Japanese counterpart Toyoda-san was spotted doing.

As is often the case with such rumors, few details are known at this point. But the project is expected to slot above the upcoming XTS – the model that's slated to replace both the STS and DTS sedans – with a rear- or all-wheel-drive setup and arrive no sooner than 2014. So we've got a while to wait before we find out if there's anything to these reports. But they certainly are intriguing.

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[Source: Automotive News – Sub. Req'd]

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    • 1 Second Ago
      • 5 Years Ago
      So, 2014, heh? That means they'll show a concept next year at NAIAS and squeeze the fresh life out of it before it ever shows up on the street (not to mention give their fast-moving competitors plenty of intelligence on what they intend to do)...

      I don't want to know about this beforehand, I want to be shocked & surprised, like I was when I first saw a Mercedes CLS.
      • 5 Years Ago
      'Bout time!

      Just make it amazing, OK Whitacre?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Cadillac could rename the new XTS flagship the XYZTS with the moniker of "The living end of luxury". LOL
      • 5 Years Ago
      If GM couldn't hold their own with the STS, in the mid-range, why would they think that they can compete at the top end?
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Hubris got to them again. They'll get their fingers burnt like anyone else who is trying to compete with the Germans in that class."

        GM will probably do the same with this car that they are doing with the CTS.

        They'll offer 90% of the car for 80% of the price.

        And thats enough to attract customers and turn a profit.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Maybe cuz the top brass at GM are finally going to discontinue the uncompetitive Northstar engine.
      • 5 Years Ago
      it would be a great thing Caddy brought this car the to the market.but will it affordable.you will have to take out the V-16 in favor of the S-charged V-8 and price it with the competition or little less it will sell.you should have made the DTS rear-drive sedan whats is the problem?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Will this and the rumored Buick flagship be built on the same platform?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Why is the XTS not this vehicle? In the AB story on the XTS the word "flagship" was used, and comparisons were drawn to the S Class.

      CTS = 5 series/E Class?
      XTS = 7 series/S Class?
      New flagship to slot above the current 7 series/S class?

      or is the CTS the 3 series competitor and the XTS will be the 5 series competitor, and is Caddy trying to differentiate itself by having larger vehicles compete against the Germans?

      I'm confused about where Caddy is going with its competitive positioning.
        • 5 Years Ago
        You're confused? No, you're just pointing out the obvious. GM has NOT been able to come up with a viable plan for Cadillac -- let alone the rest of it's brands -- with regards to positioning its vehicles in specific segments. They have been all over the place for as long as I can remember. Do they position (compete) by pricing? Size? Styling? Content? More to the point, they still don't seem to have a clear idea of how to setup Cadillac. So far, they have only managed to field ONE solid car, the CTS. And they have been stumped ever since, how to expand beyond it. So, in the mean time, they try to have the CTS compete against whatever they can. One day, it's the value leader of the luxury sedan segment, the next it's going bumper to bumper against the best of the sport sedans (BMW M5), and then you still find it going up against the likes of the BMW 3-series.
        True, the car is a great car but I'm afraid GM is putting way more its shoulders than it should. Customers would really like to be able to grasp what GM is trying to do but to be honest, it's pretty tough since even GM doesn't seem to know what it's doing. They have always had a problem with consistency IMO. They go one way, then another. They say one thing, then do another. I know I've lost interest, and I'll bet a lot of others have too.
        GM should bring out the XTS or whatever they intend to call it, and that will be the competitor for the S-class, 7-series, and whatever else you deem to place in that segment. The idea of having the XTS AND yet another car slotted in above it, is ridiculous.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I think when it's all said and done, I think the XTS is going to be the car that is talked about in this article. Maybe the name will change, maybe the platform will change, but I think they will be the same car. I just don't see TWO cars above the CTS. Makes no sense - you'll end up in a similar position as the DTS and the STS now where they will cost about the same, and neither of them will have a clear market to aim at.

        I think it is going to end up being this:

        ATS = 3-series fighter
        CTS = 5-series
        XTS = 7-series/S-class fighter.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The XTS is not going to fight the ES, that's ridiculous on so many levels. The LaCrosse wasn't a surprise when it was competitive to the ES, that's what it was aimed at from the get-go and it's done a fantastic job at it as well.

        The XTS will be built on a stretched Epsilon II platform making it much larger than the ES. All you had to do was read a couple of the stories from when the XTS debuted and it's clearly laid out for you there.

        - "When the new XTS sees production it, will replace both the STS and the DTS" -

        - Dimensionally, the XTS slots in between the current STS and the DTS, although it's closer to the larger DTS" -

        • 5 Years Ago
        The XTS was never meant to be a flagship, I think it would have been the de facto one for a while but I think they have always wanted a big RWD car - just now sooner rather then later. It was more or less going to fight the ES head on and offer features and trim levels above that for people who want something more. However I think they are realizing that the Lacrosse is doing a very good job of beating the ES and doesn't need any more "help" (overlap) by a competing inhouse product.

        But for the sake of this article and what we were lead to believe:
        ATS = 3 series//C class/IS fighter
        CTS = 5 series/E class/GS fighter
        XTS = ES fighter
        New car = 7 series/S class/ LS fighter

        However, it is entirely possible they could reconsider and build just one big car. I think, though, the argument and market for the XTS is there to cover fleet/town car, limo, hearse, coachbuilders so they might build it anyway, and still have a range topping RWD sedan whose exclusivity is protected by not selling it to coachbuilders.

      • 5 Years Ago
      the last time cadillac had a real flagship was the fleetwood which died after 96! the only way an idea like that will work is to have no less than a v8 because anything less will be exactly the same offering as the upcomming xts! the problem is that cadillac does not have a v8-the northstar was discontinued a month or two ago, and really was not a good engine(only an idiot locates the starter under the exhaust manifold)!!! lets get a better picture of what we are dealing with... the plan, from what i hear, is to keep the xts, which if it is like the concept, is about 204 inches in length and has the lacrosse's wheelbase (111.7 inches). the new flagship would most likely be bigger and heavier, so a v6 would most likely be under powered and just does not say flagship. the 6.0 v8 that was used in the g8 would be a start, but would need a power boost, likely direct injection! the last time i heard, the flagship would be a low volume car-most likely a rear drive platform with the possibility of all-wheel drive. the sts didnt pan out because it offered little improvement over the cts and was too similarly sized inside and out! the dts dates back to the 2000 deville-which that pos northstar is low on power and is not as efficient as others, like the 2011 mustang gt's new 5.0...to make this a viable reality, i think it needs the corvette's standard 6.2 v8. that is the kind of power a flagship needs!
        • 5 Years Ago
        I am sure they can find an excellent V8 in GM's parts bin. My Cadillac came with a Chevy small block.
      • 5 Years Ago
      more like Cadillac needs a flag ship rival to the S-class....if it ever wants to be up in the tier 1 luxury category...Having an awesome CTS and an Escalade doesn't cut it...
      • 5 Years Ago
      If it's a cadillac it needs a V-16 to be the top end car. Just form the novelty of having that many cylinders will help them sell cars.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Whatever, just shove two LS9s together and BAM! Instant, twin supercharged V16. Can I have a job now?
        • 5 Years Ago
        ...but a V16 would 1) make the car horrendously expensive to buy and to repair and 2) wouldn't be eco-friendly enough (look up the eco laws, for example in Germany). Caddy should stick with a V8.
      • 5 Years Ago
      This could work. People who can afford to buy this class of cars are older and Caddy may still have an appeal therer
      • 5 Years Ago
      Lots of foreign car fanboys online today.

      Well, let the naysayers have their moment in the sun. I really do believe GM can pull it off. Right now the US industry needs a premium luxury vehicle, and Cadillac seems to be in the best position to build one. Ed Whitcare may not be an auto industry veteran, but he has vision, something former Chrysler exec Bob Nardelli didn't possess, and you've got to give Whitcare respect for that.

      Now, if GM can follow through on the other issues (civilian version of the Caprice police cruiser, low-volume El Camino, and a domestic version of the global small pickup - heck, I'll even accept a copy of the South American Tornado/Montana), then the company will definitely be back on track.

      At this rate, even Chrysler will offer a proper luxury sedan before Ford ever will. Whoever thinks the Lincoln MKS is a real luxury car is out of their minds. (I recently tested one, and to me the new Taurus is much better.) Somebody needs to tell Bill ford and company to get busy - now.
        • 5 Years Ago
        If you've been paying attention to the news you'd know that Ford is already working on that and further distancing Lincoln from the Ford siblings as far as developing new chassis and powertrains.
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