• Aug 3rd 2010 at 10:02AM
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California's Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) received another boost in funds just days ago when the California Air Resource Board (CARB) backed the program with an additional $5 million earmarked for the 2010-11 fiscal year. Combined with the $4.1 million announced earlier this year, the CVRP now has $9.1 million at its disposal, though some of the funds have already been claimed by buyers snatching up qualifying vehicles.
Plugin Cars had the opportunity to speak with Mike Ferry, transportation programs manager at California's Center for Sustainable Energy, the San Diego-based group that manages the CVRP program. Ferry provided an overview of the CVRP program and also touched on aspects such as how much funding remains and how many Nissan Leafs will qualify for the rebate.

When Plugin Cars asked about the program's current level of funding, Ferry stated:

The first year of funding was fiscal year 2009 – 2010. The state operates from July 1 to June 30. The first fiscal year was $4.1 million in funding, which carries through until it's used up. And then on June 24, the Air Resources Board just approved additional funding for the next fiscal year of $5 million.

Ferry was asked about specific vehicles that are currently eligible for the rebate, to which he responded:

Right now, our vehicle eligibility list includes three different medium-duty all-electric commercial vehicles; it includes three different zero-emission motorcycles; and it includes four different manufacturers of low-speed neighborhood electric vehicles. In terms of full function light-duty vehicles, we have the Tesla Roadster and the Honda Clarity, which is fuel cell vehicle, still electric drive.

When prodded about the remaining funds for the CVRP program and the likelihood that the Leaf will qualify for the rebate, Ferry remarked:

Almost all of it. By the time the Nissan Leaf is launched in December, there will probably be about $8 million left. That's an estimate and could change... The day you buy a Leaf, you can go on our website and see if funds are available. You fill out the online application, and you'll know right away if your $5,000 is reserved for you. It's on a first-come-first-serve basis.
Up to 1,600 Leaf buyers will have the opportunity to snatch up the remaining $8 million in funds, but the opportunity to save an additional $5,000 won't last long.

[Source: Plugin Cars]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      1600 cars.
      how many cars are there in California?

      so another 10 million spent on not making a difference. imagine if they started small car production of just the right ultra light ultra aerodynac low cost fast EV to show the world how it's done so the big automakers will feel pressured to follow suit...
      nahh, that would just actually work. that's not what politicians do.
      in part because they have no technical competence with which to form a vision
        • 5 Years Ago
        : ) I meant figuratively of course :)

        even you Chelsea don't have an electric car. that's an awful indicator of how little has actually been changed

        I suppose I should explain the idea if nothing else.
        a 4 seater with a sleak body (which doesn't cost extra even though automakers want you to think so so they can charge more for aerodynamic cars. it's called product differentiation which can be used to advantage for this hypothetical car) and made very light through the use of a structural fiber composite sandwich floor. you can imagine Ferrari like styling or even the EV1 with the added trick of a shallow seating position, feet and seat at floor level on a raised floor so the air can pass cleanly in the tunnel between the thin smooth wheels it takes to carry the sub 600kg car. low side beams in line with the wheels and a front low spoiler gives the visual appearance of a normal height car while allowing air to run in the smooth tunnel under the car. it wont look exactly like this but as illustration you can imagine the mouth that's obstructed here is a tunnel under the car http://farm1.static.flickr.com/178/429625685_3b598d9728.jpg?v=0

        because the weight and drag is low it can go around 400km on 25kWh pack which can be done with a 120kg pack of latest high density commodity lithium cells, facilitating the low target vehicle weight, making it all possible. light begets light.
        some crash structure in the nose, maybe even a block of foam. fiber reinforced plastic body panels, normal safety glass windshield. maybe simplified doors with windows that don't open to keep the project complexity low if it's on a budget. it's about aircon anyway and I can live with opening the door in a drive through. could be a scissor door.
        high strength fiber composite B pillar and roof for side impact and roll over strength. combined with the low side beams and the composite floor it'll probably be far stronger than steel cars. it'll bounce off like a toy.
        I'd probably choose deep buckety safety seats since the biggest cause of injury is not from the side push but banging the head on the crushing door and the oncoming vehicle. if carried by the seat and the car doesn't buckle it should be possible to walk away from very severe crashes giggling like a baby.
        because it can freeway cruise at very low power it'll only take a scooter sized engine if an option for range extender is desirable. and I think it is when it can be done with so little additional weight. 400km range is nice but I imagine you go to both LA and SF so certainty is nice to have if only at first. a smaller pack is also quicker to charge but chargers may not be there particularly not the 50kW ones needed to do it in 25 minutes.
        being light it's similarly easier to give it strong attention getting world changing performance. an electric motor that push a 1200kg car to 100km/h in 12 seconds will do it in 6 seconds if a 600kg car. from meh to Porsche with the same motor. and a 38kg tesla motor and matching power electronics could do it in less than 2 seconds. because the car is light. smart is smart. who knew.
        target a Porsche level acceleration to make it exciting as well as eco. not a social worker like the Leaf. just quick enough to make the thoughtless people in their BMWs and SUVs think because this lean EV is quicker than theirs.

        everybody think about it. it's only the fate of the world.

        I know I'm basically proposing matching the Tesla Roadster's achievements in half the weight and you might think that's not possible when it's made from aircraft glued alu and carbon fiber but it is. to put it in perspective the Ariel Atom that Ian Wright based his X1 demonstrator on weighs something like 250-300kg without the engine and it has heavy wheels, heavy disc brakes and use no fiber for the structure.
        it can be done.

        btw have you driven Ian's X1? if not I'd like to see a video of you driving it. and if he says no to you then he's gay and he's not ready to be outed so he'll let you drive it : )
        good quality video in California sun should make for good EV pr.
        • 5 Years Ago
        mindless excuses to protect status quo. because otherwise you would have to think and that's too bothersome.
        a good leader doesn't necessarily know everything but takes a keen interest and seeks advice from the smartest people. and if someone does what the advisors said was impossible then summary execution for everyone and start over.
        should they consult someone intelligent on the matter, say me, I could inform them that this is possible and absent any will from any existing company to do that it is then their opportunity and indeed obligation to make sure it does happen. either start their own small company or in collaboration with an existing company. either way they can and should.
        the incompetent idea that they can only paddy cake and hope the evil corporations will do the right thing is what got us into this dire situation in the first place. they most certainly can do better.
        they could start by reading this blog and my comments.

        or someone like Chelsea Sexton could grow a pair :) and start kicking some local ass instead of being the nice girl. preaching to the choir only gets us so much.
        maybe revive Alan Cocconi. playing with RC planes and selling overpriced overcomplicated drivetrains only takes us so far.
        10 million dollars from California, his skills and Chelsea Sexton's femininity to motivate him could be a potent mix : )
        if they'll listen to me.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "imagine if they started small car production"

        I'm sorry, Dan, but who are "they"? The State of California should produce a car? Seriously?

        I think $5000 per car is too much. It would be better to spread it out over more vehicles and the federal refund is already huge. In general I support and am very enthusiastic about rebates for electric cars, but I think this program gives too much of a rebate to too few people.
        • 5 Years Ago
        LOL @ Chelsea! Good one!

        I smell a psychotic rant from Dan coming in 3..2..1...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Gee, I get email offers to help me grow a pair all the time...perhaps I should take one of 'em up on it? ;o)
        • 5 Years Ago
        @evchels No, you're fine the way you are. You know the old saying "You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar."

        Besides, I can't picture you as a Dyke driving an SUV.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm sure Obama will be contacting you directly, you'll fit in perfectly with his other advisors.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "imagine if they started small car production of just the right ultra light ultra aerodynac low cost fast EV to show the world how it's done so the big automakers will feel pressured to follow suit...
        nahh, that would just actually work. that's not what politicians do."

        .... such a naive view of how a car is made.

        Why would you expect politician to know business at all? This logic seems like they should know every business out there. Let's just assume they should know the EV business for some reason...Where would they start? I doubt they have engineer major to even start an EV companies.

        The only thing politicians can do is to subsidize, promote, and encourage companies that are trying new things out. Which is what they're doing with the Leaf. They can't just say, "Hey guys, let's use tax payers money to start a business we know nothing about."

        Not only that, the money to get this product you just thought up to even sell to consumers cost more than 9 million. It have to pass DOT laws and such and be appealing enough for people to buy.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Fitfan, yes I'm deadly serious. same as USA did a moon project.
        this will just be much cheaper and perhaps even very profitable on top. think Tesla IPO.
        and Tesla Motors doesn't have a viable business model at all but the stock market still valued them at 3 billion dollars at one point. now about 2.2 billion.
        if a company that's worth less than nothing is valued that high imagine what an actually viable and exicting EV company would fetch.
        indeed just showing the initiative might attract plenty of investment long before IPO.

        for all the achievements of Tesla Motors, cost effective was not one of them. at all.
        they've spent something like 300k$ for each car they've built.

        any intelligent gov in the world would do this when there is such an opportunity left by the existing automakers.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "any intelligent gov in the world would do this when there is such an opportunity left by the existing automakers."

        Well Dan looks like you will have to start your own government and show everyone how it's done. Our government is incapable of balancing the budget, I would prefer they focus on fulfilling their constitutionally mandated responsibilities before they worry about building a car.
      • 5 Years Ago
      """How is California, which is beyond broke, funding anything? They can't even pay their own people tax refunds. Where is this $ coming from?"""

      Pete, you stole the words out of my mouth, and anyone else who said this. Hopefully, CA is planning to pass A GAS TAX to pay for plans like this. That is the only logical thing to do.
      • 5 Years Ago
      How is California, which is beyond broke, funding anything? They can't even pay their own people tax refunds. Where is this $ coming from?
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