• May 10, 2010
If there is any truth to this report from Road & Track, you inexpensive sports car lovers are going to owe the Toyota FT-86 a lot of thanks. RT says that the development costs for Toyota's re-entry into the truly sporty segment has run over estimates and the car is going to be priced higher than $20,000 – not what Toyota wanted.

In response, the Japanese automaker has allegedly decided to bring out another, less expensive front-engined, rear-wheel-drive car using the 109-horsepower engine from the first generation Scion xB and getting in under the $20K limbo bar. If this dream does come true, you'll be able to open your eyes in 2012, a year after the FT-86 arrives. Thanks for the tip, Barry!

[Source: Road & Track]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      Toyota.. just give us something in the 240hp range at about 2600 lbs in a RWD package.. and I'll take care of the rest (turbo).
      • 4 Years Ago
      109 hp... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!
      • 4 Years Ago
      Hold on, they've got the iQ frame. just bolt the engine onto that, make the body look more sedan-like and improve the suspension! Bingo!
      • 4 Years Ago


      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Avanza

      with a Subaru's rear axle, put all in a 100% Toyota's platform and voilà, you have a true successor to the AE86. If you want more power, use a turbocharged 1.5 liter or a 1.8 or 2.0 aspirated one. Even more power? Just use turbocharged versions of these bigger powertrains.
      Make this platform flexible enough to be stretched and also create versions for Lexus to compete in the Euro market. A small Lexus below the CT 200h would even out-Bimmer the FWD 0-Series and offer an alternative that offers something different than what Audi already offers with the A1. As we're talking about Europe, small diesels are also required.

      And what to do with the driveshaft and the central tunnel? Look at Subaru again and how they made such little invasive tunnel in a AWD car, a lesson that can also be applied in other RWD Toyotas to make them more spacious than their RWD counterparts and even some FWD of the segments.
      How to reward Subaru after all? Just help them in the development of an MLP-equivalent platform and transmission, so they can ditch that huge front overhang and put the front axle a little bit forward to make more spacious rides, as Audi did with the A4. It would make both brands happy and people would have better Toyotas and Subarus.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Sounds like a next-gen Revensis to me.
      • 4 Years Ago
      wow, does Toyota really think a 1.5L 4 cyl making 109hp is acceptable in a "sporty" car in 2012? That's hilarious.

      What's even more hilarious will be this FT86 which I suspect will have 200hp, cost $25k+ weight 3000lb, have all season tires and non defeatable stability control. Then Toyota will wonder why it failed and concluded the US market just doesn't want sporty cars.

      Toyota seems a lot like mid 90s Big 3 automaker these days with product that would have been competitive 5 years earlier, quality issues and completely out of touch with customers.

      • 4 Years Ago
      I don't get it, help me out. So two versions of the same car? Or two different cars? Aren't we getting ridiculous with all the different cars? Don't get me wrong choice can be a good thing, but sometimes it can just become to much. By the way I didn't read the whole article, so they may have answered all these questions. Just feeling lazy.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I realize that Toyota doesn't want the FT86 priced over $20k, but haven't most people been expecting it to be like $22k-$25k from the beginning? Did I miss something there?

      Don't get me wrong, if they want to make a smaller (lighter), cheaper version that's still RWD - more power to them. That may have been what a lot of people would have loved to see from the beginning (and what the next gen Scion tC should have been).
        • 4 Years Ago
        so, here's the thing. how many 210 hp Genesis coupes are going to go out the door with the 300 hp mustang and camaro selling for roughly the same price?

        there will be some but enought to make room for the FT86 as well?


        I get that some will say different demographics and there is some truth but most still want the hp and the rear wheels. the rest is window dressing
        • 4 Years Ago
        Personally I'd take a Genesis Coupe over a Mustang any day. But that is more about not driving a Mustang that really "loving" the Genesis Coupe. Though I'd take a 2.0T Track in Nordschleife Gray any time.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ space ghost.
        As one who is starting to look around for my next car, how is the acceleration in the 2.0T?

        I am cross-shopping the stang and genesis and camaro and a used G. I do prefer the interior of the Genesis but dont know if I want to go down to the 2.0T or if I need to suck it up and pay for the 3.8
        • 4 Years Ago
        thx. good feedback, esp with the qualifying history. I'm addicted to having a sunroof ( i know, its such a lame thing but there you go) so the Mustang is out unless I do the glass roof and like you cant stand the Camaro interior. gauge cluster is so meh. I love the retro exterior but interiors, i never get.

        I do plan on test driving the heck out of all the choices regardless because, well why not! was considering a used G but the hyundai looks like the better option for the money.
        thx again
      • 4 Years Ago
      100 hp?..it better be really lite.....
        • 4 Years Ago
        I find it curious that people are comparing it to a Mustang. Yes, the prices may end up being similar, but the FT-86 (or baby FT-86) is not meant to be a successor to the Mustang, it's meant to be a successor to the AE86 and other lightweight sports cars (not muscle cars) produced by Toyota back in the day. For comparison, the 4A-GE made between 120 and 130hp in the 86. So with less power and a presumably heavier weight, the baby FT-86 is going to be slower in a straight line, but I think the selling point is going to be handling, especially if Toyota wises up and manages to make the baby FT lighter than the high-priced version.

        Of course, I'm sure the real reason they're doing this is CAFE and other requirements of that type.
        • 4 Years Ago
        the rwd car w the 1.5 should weigh about the same as the fwd car w fwd

        how about a base model that weighs the same as a yaris hatch w a 1.5 and a 5speed manual and roll up windows

        i would deff buy that
        • 4 Years Ago
        okay, we can do the weight war too.

        300hp/ 3650 lbs 12.5lbs give or take/hp
        109hp/ 3000 lbs 27.5lbs/hp IF it weighs the same a FWD tc

        there is no win in the sport column for a 109hp motor. look at the Honda CRaZy to buy it
        • 4 Years Ago
        It would be interesting to see the 2AZ-FE in a rwd set-up but I am thinking that its age is starting to show its 2.4L and its far behind in the HP count compared to others of its displacement. However if Toyota can take even the 1.5L and add DI and some other work to take it from economy to power it would be a winner.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @geo: yup, make it a heavier pig. They already have a 150hp coupe. The tC.

        LOL.

        I real RWD 109hp lightweight coupe that gets 40mpg on the highway with a fun 6-speed manual at $17k would be a gangbuster success.

        This also allows Toyota to put the FT-86 in the $25-30k category, allowing them up use better materials and give it a bit more power.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Like 1986 CRX light. Hmmm, rear drive CRX!
      • 4 Years Ago
      The FT-86 should base at 10k. A smaller version, should base below that. Why would you WANT to pay more?
        • 4 Years Ago
        if the car only has what you need to get around then 5-10k is totally possible except that its not legal

        there is at least 5k in mandatory safety BS per car
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ J

        No, it is illegal. Take a look at CFR 49 which is title 49 of the code of federal regulations. 130 pages of rules on child seats. 70 pages of rules on turn signals. 10 pages of rules on your rear view mirror. (The total code is 170,000 pages and growing at 5,000 pages per year)

        You want to sell a car in this country, you jump through every single one of those hoops.

        Which is exactly why a Corolla is $17,000, there are no true niche vehicles any longer, we read about new cars for 4 years before we can buy them and we can't buy the foreign cars we read about at all.

        And it sucks. This country used to be free.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I agree with SimpleCar -- what is it with the notion that spending more always gets you more (especially in a Toyota)? [The key word in this last sentence is 'always'.]

        For those of you unaware, there are at least 2, maybe 3 mainstream cars that can be purchased in the US for less than $10k: the Nissan Versa and the Hyundai Accent (and I think the Kia Rio).

        These are not luxury cars. They are not sports cars. $10k is definitely less than anyone could expect a Toyota, rear-wheel drive sporty car to cost -- $15k, on the other hand...would still be a bargain and is very possible if Toyota felt like it.

        ZachM -- you "wouldn't want to buy a car that cheap"? What is wrong with you? Why would you ever want to spend more? That is illogical.

        Dan -- it's not illegal. The car manufacturers just managed to convince people like ZachM that an entry-level car should cost $14k instead of $9k.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ Dan & Zach

        When you feed the trolls, they hang around longer. Please stop.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @J

        Exactly. You said it all. Why the HECK would you want to pay more? 15K base if they felt like it. 10K if they REALLY tried.
        • 4 Years Ago
        10k!

        You're insane. I wouldn't want to buy a new car that cheap. I shudder at the interior materials and build quality... I doubt its possible in this day and age.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Wasn't the point of the FT-86 to be a cheap "sports car"? Ya know, to bring back the same price/fun/practicality combo the AE86 had? Making a cheap, low powered car is a great idea so long as it's light & CHEAP. So, if Toyota is considering a cheaper alternative to the FT-86, by all means make it Toyota. However, if the FT-86 really is a follow-up to the AE86, there shouldn't be a cheaper option in the first place.

      And to those who will undoubtedly cry the FT-86 & AE86 aren't sports cars, they carry the same essence that makes a sports car what it is. It won't have the same style & speed as a Porsche, but it was still developed with driving experience as the no.1 priority.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Just make the FT-86 already! If it sells, then you can go on making variants. A lot of people will still buy this car at $25k, myself included!!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Hard to commit $$ on a car that is not on sale, or have even a prototype shown. Be like committing to an Aveo RS, or even a Cruze SS 2-door (which is even more vaporware, but this is a hypothetical 'IF' they announced one).

        I would never say I'd buy a model that has never been shown in production form. For that matter, I'd have to drive each model I'm interested in 1st. That was how I eliminated the RSX back when it was offered. The roof was so low that no plausible driving position kept my head off the headliner.

        I'll check out the FT when it actually shows. But it makes no short list until then.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I agree with you. I won't buy a car until I can physically touch and drive it first. I meant that I'd be *interested* in buying it at $25k when it comes out, getting at the fact that the minor increase in price tag will not deter me from looking at it when I buy my next car. I should probably rephrase that in the future.
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