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  • Apr 13, 2010
Ron Dennis with the McLaren MP4-12C – Click above for high-res image gallery

When you've been responsible for as many Formula One World Championships and devastatingly fast supercars – including the new McLaren MP4-12C (pictured above) – as Ron Dennis, you're entitled to speak your mind... and for others to listen up. The executive chairman and part owner of the McLaren Group, Dennis has earned a reputation for his outspoken opinion, and this time directed his criticism toward the venerable Bugatti Veyron.

In a recent interview, Dennis characterized the Veyron as a "piece of junk" and "pig ugly". Why don't you tell us how you really feel, Ron?

The speed guru went on to allege that the race staged by Top Gear between the Veyron and McLaren's own venerable F1 supercar on the streets of Abu Dhabi was exactly that... staged. According to Dennis, the McLaren had the Bugatti handily beat on every run, and that the video footage was edited to make it seem like the Veyron was the quicker of the two. Check it out after the jump and decide for yourself.

[Source: Wheels24.co.za]




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      • 4 Years Ago
      from wikipedia:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mclaren_f1
      vs
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugatti_Veyron

      guess what, the veyron is faster. put them on a track and i assume the F1 will hand the Veyron it's lunch with an up-sized fries.
      Top gear is entertainment, not fact-based journalism.
      • 4 Years Ago
      As for which car is really faster, i truly don't know. It was done by top gear which is more for entertainment than facts.

      But he did get one thing right when he said "pig ugly", i believe that to be fact, not opinion.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Never mind the F1, VAG's own R8 is better looking than the Veyron, and that's as ugly as sin.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Put them both on the 'ring and the F1 will win handily. But in the a straight line, especially at launch, the Veyron should win due to its AWD and higher over all power. Even though it is a bloated pig.
        • 4 Years Ago
        At the Ring, for the McLaren to win, it needs wider front tires.
        It has 9" wide front wheels but only 235/45 17 tires. If you can find 255/40 19 tires to your liking, then it should beat the Veyron.

        The Veyron can be configured to be in handling mode from 0mph, which really should help out on the 'ring (Tiff showed you reach to find the hidden switch)
        The McLaren has its BB [brake balance] foil, but that won't help as much.
        The Veyron can hit 235 mph in handling mode, and the McLaren F1 can do 225-230mph with the BB foil extended (if the stock rev limiter is raised. 7500rpm to protect the accessory drive)

        http://www.insideline.com/features/2009-bugatti-veyron-164-vs-1997-mclaren-f1.html
        stock to stock, I will give it to the Veyron.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I can definitely see them holding the Bug back a bit at the start to make it interesting. The thing has an enormous amount of traction and 1001 hp. What I can't see is why they (Top Gear) would miss out on the opportunity to report the most loved (but rather aged) supercar of all time STILL beating the newest and most hyped supercar in a mile drag. That's just TV gold right there. If that's how it truly shook out I doubt they would have edited it away since that would have been SO much more interesting than what actually happened. I think Ron Dennis, much as I respect the guy, is talking out of his ass.
      • 4 Years Ago
      For the millionth time...Top Gear is not serious.

      And further...does he really think people who can buy/afford these cares are going to base their purchase on Top Gear?
        • 4 Years Ago
        I dunno, Top Gear's coverage of the Dacia Sandero was very consistent, unbiased and informative.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Kiiks - lmao. awee. capt. slow's admiration for that car is kinda heart warming, like a kid with a puppy
      • 4 Years Ago
      You know, I wouldn't be all that surprised...
      I was amazed when I first saw the video at how much faster the F1
      was for the solid 1/2 to 2/3 of the race.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I read the interview & the comments from Dennis didn't sound like heresy. He sounded very matter-of-fact & like someone in the know. I have absolutely no idea which of the cars would win in a straight fight (and in those desert conditions, mind you. The Veyron has 4 turbos & the associated heat soak to deal with), but for Ron Dennis to call them out like that... something both Top Gear & Bugatti could easily rebut, btw... makes me think their might be some validity to his statement. I'm not calling it either way, but I'm not gonna rush to write him off as a sore loser just ranting either.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Frantz... that may very well be true. However, when you can fake sincerity you've totally got it made. Just ask any politician.

        In short, he may be telling the truth about the F1 but we shouldn't base it solely on his clearly biased testimony.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I find the shot at 1:48-49 particularly questionable. The F1 looks like it's coasting as the Veyron flies up to it. Let's also not forget that while the Veyron has plenty of HP and torque, it's got a HUGE frontal area (and a more vertical frontal surface) and a drag coefficient that's quite a bit higher than the F1. Plus the F1 has active aero in the form of fans on the underside to literally suck the car onto the road so regardless of speed, the downforce it would experience would b!tchslap the Veyron's.

        Besides the obvious shenanigans, the Veyron is by far the BLANDEST, UGLIEST supercar I have ever seen. Which is telling of the people who own them: they're more interested in measuring their manhood in price and HP numbers than driving and enjoying a beautiful car. Case in point, how many gold-plated F1's are there? 15 extra MPH on the top speed doesn't really offset how very lame the Veyron is.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Doesnt matter how many turbos the veyron has, when it comes to the bottom of it all, the veyron is about 1000lbs heavier than the F1. Sure the veyron isn't a Aston martin, but is the F1 really a looker? A car's take off has to do with weight and power, and off course now launch control. Instead of saying that the F1 is a better car because the straight line performance was staged, Dennis should of said, who is the ultimate car that can get you the best lap time, because veyron is just too heavy for the track.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ Ben , the Veyron has surprisingly good handling and it's very fast on the track, it was faster than the Enzo on the TG track and i bet the Enzo is faster than the F1 on race tracks.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Ben: He did imply that the McF1 is better 'round a lap, by calling out the Bug with respect to cornering. It's in the whole interview.
        • 4 Years Ago
        *THERE might be... I'm blaming it on boredom. :P
      • 4 Years Ago
      I'll give Dennis that, the editing appears to make the Veyron win by a much larger margin than what actually happened. Both are very venerable supercars and it should be noted that while I do love Top Gear, they can be VERY objective in their programming.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Im mechanical engeneer and Im agree whir Dennis

      ...VW Veyron its a Beatle whit streoids plus a very poor engeneering means when you have 2 ton for track = looser

      ...in fact the Venom have more power than the Veyron whit a lot LESS engine
        • 4 Years Ago
        that's some very bad spelling for an engineer...
      • 4 Years Ago
      I'm not exactly sure why he's questioning these results. 627hp vs 1001hp? Of course the Veyron's going to win in the end. It may be a heavier car, but you can't dispute those numbers.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Aerodynamics, traction, power to weight ratio...

        Aero is likely the key word here.

        Think downforce. The Veyron may make 1001HP, but at 150MPH, is it making more downforce then the F1?

        Not likely, especially not likely with it's massive weight disadvantage, which is why it requires 1001HP to keep it accelerating at 150MPH in the FIRST place.

        The F1 kills the Bugatti at that speed, if only for it's sheer weight and design - vs. Power ratio.

        The Bugatti Veyron was designed from the onset as a luxury highest performance hypercar, not designed as an aerodynamic hyper sports car, with luxury coming second.

        Hands down, it makes more sense for the F1 to win.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Good Point: F1 more torque per pound, plus aero advantage.
        There's no way it lost, unless the driver gave up.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I would have been more shocked had the Veyron not overtaken the F1, I knew the F1 would take the lead off the line, but to hold the lead over a mile the F1 simply would run out of steam IMO. The Veryron is geared for top speed, the F1 as stated is meant to be a drivers car and while it was the fastest for along time the gearing is still more towards driving then the Veyron.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The race should be close.
        The Veyron is roughly 50% heavier (if you can find a December 1997 Road & Track, F1 curb weight 2840lbs, test weight 2945), but has way more than 50% greater power. (over 600hp to 1035hp) but has much worse aerodynamic drag.
        The Veyron can shift quicker (and still transmits power during the 'shift')
        Unless the 7500 rpm rev limiter is raised in the F1, you have to upshift into 6th gear to complete the 1 mile.
      • 4 Years Ago
      RD needs to get his head out of his *ss.
      The F1 didn't lose by that much... and I think the Veyron looks pretty good. The F1 is good looking too of course, but not that much better than the Veyron.

      Both of them are way better looking than the MP4-12C though. It's the NSX of the current generation IMO.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I would take the F1 over a Veyron any day of the week. Power is easy to make these days, but you can't put enough power in it to make up for the weight when you hit a turn.
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