• Mar 24th 2010 at 12:59PM
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Kent Kroeker is cooking up a bit of evil that is 90 inches wide for the Easter Jeep Safari. The latest details reveal that 90 inches is the width of the front track on the Mopar Ram 1500 being built as a "research project," while that number tapers down to 87 inches in the rear. We're talking about a truck that will be at least 22 inches wider than a normal Ram when you see its grille coming towards you. And that might be from the air, we'll have you know – with 15 inches of travel up front and 14 in the rear, this baby looks like she'll be a true jumper.

This might be the best of the bunch as far as the Moparized concepts go for this Moab event. What we really want to know is this: We have a good idea of where Fiat and Chrysler head Sergio Marchionne stands with little cars and sedans, but how does he feel about taking muddin' – and an OEM version of this truck – to the masses? Can the Ford F-150 SVT Raptor now be put on notice?

[Source: PickupTrucks.com]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      This is probably all irrelevant anyway. I doubt this is anything more than the equivelent of a SEMA vehicle that will never actually be mass produced.

      As far as I am concerned the Raptor is a super niche vehicle that will have storng initial sales, then will crater once that small audience has its toy. There is simply not enough people out there willing to spend that much coin on a vehicle purpose built for off roading and not gaining anything on the pavement where it will spend MOST of its time.

      I think Ford could have accomplished more by putting the SHO Ecoboost V6 in a Ford Ranger with all the Lightning styling and attention. Then they would have had a fast pickup with good fuel economy. At the very least they should have developed a new F150 Lightning with the Cobra, er...GT500 engine.

      As for the SRT-10, they are awesome trucks with mounds of brute force torque, which was their downfall. The Rams were essentially 3/4 ton short bed two doors which made them much heavier, but necessary to tolerate the torque. A 1500 Ram with a 6.1L (or now a 6.4L) probably would have been almost as fast. But having that giant Viper engine under the hood is just too cool.

      For the record, I am not a Ford hater....I just hate the Raptor.
        • 5 Years Ago

        Someone hasn't heard of a little thing called progressive rate springs... but hey... whatever.

        And this sounds simple... you hate the Raptor for totally pointless reasons. Its a well built truck that doest amazing things for stock. Its on backorder for god knows how long. Its just a good truck. Get over ur petty hate. And if u think its ugly... WHO CARES, many love it so your opinion is totally subjective.

        Yes, its a small market vehicle, but the reason this is usually done is not for the actual vehicle, its for research, that may be applied to other vehicles... Companies do this often. This crap may be used to make better trucks in the future, so untwist ur panties already.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "....and a quick drive would make you re-evaluate your thoughts...."

        Negative..it is a fat, tall, ugly pig. I hated it the first time I viewed it and I hate it more now. Desert runners, by design have soft suspensions to soak up the rough off road areas. This is totally counter to the type of suspension needed to ride/handle well on the street.

        Nothing comes remotely close because they focused on a niche that will dry up in 1-2 years tops. I hope Dodge concentrates on street performance since that is where the vast majority of trucks spend their time, and that is where the real market is. Dodge has the Power Wagon which is a useful workhorse that many more people are likely to buy. Yes it's a totally different type of off-road, but at least it has a broader market, and it's sales that matter.
        • 5 Years Ago
        orderbanks on the Raptor are full to the brim, and the wait is quite long....and a quick drive would make you re-evaluate your thoughts....there is NOTHING on the market that comes remotely close....AND it can easily be used as day to day transportation if one wishes.....and spending the money it takes to purchase said vehicle, is sadly VERY easy to do now days...AND on vehicles with a LOT less character....
      • 5 Years Ago

      Is that a shot at the Raptor or a typo?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Looks like Dodge is serious. This could get fun.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The Ram could easily win the pissing match if they added all the goodies of the Raptor and slap it with the SRT 10 engine lol....

      SRT10 Ram was the reason the boys at SVT didn't do the Lighting there was no way to top that truck..
        • 5 Years Ago
        Actually, the only reason Ford SVT didn't build a 3rd generation Lightning is because SVT was losing money. They could of built truck to beat the SRT/10. Remember, just a year after the demise of the 2nd generation, SVT built a concept that was meant to go into production. But it didn't because of reasons I already stated.

        A year after that, Ford SVT brought out the GT with a new all aluminum Eaton supercharged 5.4L V8 producing 550hp. With the weight savings of an aluminum engine and smaller displacement than the 8.3L V10 in the SRT/10, it would of destroyed the SRT/10.
      • 5 Years Ago
      As for this Ram, getting a professional racer to build this for you, and putting 15" and 14" of travel....you'd need to compare it to the Raptor R, not the stock Raptor. In that case, the R has 15" and 18" of travel........and bring some power as the Raptor R is also slightly underrated at 500hp. The stock Raptor has 11.9" and 13" of travel with the stock 6.2 making 411hp and 434tq. I'm surprised to see Ram going with Fox shocks, figured they'd want to differentiate themselves more from Ford by using a different company. Good looking suspension though.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Not easily. The SRT only beat the Lightning by .4 of a sec in the 1/4 and .4 to 60......and that was with 120 more hp. So I wouldn't see the heavier 500hp V10 easily beating the 500hp 6.2.....or probably even the stock 411hp version.
      • 5 Years Ago
      why not the LS2LS7?:

      "The Raptor "R" ran once in 2008, it lost to a Hummer H3 Alpha.
      The Raptor didn't run in 2009.

      The Raptor doesn't exactly have a great Baja results record at this time. It's odd people would brag about it."

      Doesn't have great Baja results record? Really? The Raptor R came about and was built in only 3 months before the Baja. It ran in the Class 8 division, a class higher than it was supposed to be in. They didn't allow it to run in Stock-Full because it was not in production yet. By the way, stock-full is what the Hummer ran. Class 8 was won by an F150 with a Tundra in second.......don't see a Hummer in there. So only 3 months to plan and build, and then placing 3rd in a class higher than it was supposed to be in....in it's very first Baja 1000, I'd say there's plenty to brag about. Nice try though.
      • 5 Years Ago
      pretty awesome actually...problems I DO see vis a vis with the Raptor, std cab kills utility, and will the drivetrains compare with fords new 6.2 w 420 hp?
        • 5 Years Ago
        I would think mthe Ford will kill it mileage wise as well....interesting though ( even if this DOESNT see the light of day, after all its a CONCEPT ) why is Dodge thinking the answer to their woes is a TINY piece of Marinated flank Steak when they SHOULD be focusing on the meat and potatoes crowd?????? ass backwards if you ask me....oh wait....perhaps this is PART of the problem to begin with...lack of foresight and mis-direction
        • 5 Years Ago
        Jason...no-one has even said this actually WILL be built.....remember its a concept...and IMO an ill advised product for a STRUGGLING automaker....
        • 5 Years Ago
        To my knowledge no one has said yet which cab configuration this long-travel Ram is being built off, and there's not even a concept sketch to look at. I agree with you on the std cab thing though. I think a crewcab version would have more appeal seeing as how Dodge doesn't have an extend-cab version of the Ram like Ford does with the F150.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Can be snide all you want...but talk to me after you've run the Raptor wide open the desert for a few days and you'll have "nothing can match the Raptor" tatt'ed on your foreheads and asscheeks.

      This coming from a GM loyalist.
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