• Mar 22, 2010

Carbon Motors E7
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Back in 2007 when Carbon Motors announced it would build the first purpose-designed police vehicle, the spec sheet called for a twin-turbocharged inline-six cylinder diesel engine. As any existing automaker will tell you, certifying a diesel engine to meet current U.S. emissions regulations is no trivial matter, so Carbon Motors would likely have to find a supplier with an engine already certified. But the number of companies currently selling passenger car diesels in the U.S. can be counted on one hand with some fingers to spare.

At a press conference in Washington D.C. on Monday morning, BMW and Carbon Motors announced that the German automaker would supply its highly regarded 3.0-liter inline-six cylinder diesel for these new police vehicles. Carbon has placed an order for 240,000 units of the same diesel engine used in the BMW X5 35d and 335d. In current U.S. emissions legal form, the diesel produces 265 horsepower and 425 pound-feet of torque.

Powered by the BMW diesel, the Carbon E7 is expected to achieve up to a 40-percent reduction in fuel consumption and CO2 emissions compared to current police vehicles. While this diesel-powered E7 will certainly be fuel efficient, it will also be substantially more expensive to buy than current police cruisers. Performance, however, should not be a problem and 0-60 miles per hour in the mid-six-second range should be easily achievable with all that torque. Based on our experience with the 335d, combined mileage in the upper 20-mpg range and highway mileage in the 30s should be easily achievable, making this a potentially very thrift highway patrol vehicle.

Between this, the new EcoBoost-powered Ford Police Interceptor, the Zeta-based Chevrolet Caprice and current Dodge Charger police offering, the cop car market is going to get very interesting in the next few years.

Check out our comparison chart of the upcoming police vehicle offerings here. We'll add the Carbon Motors E7 once we know a few more of its specs.



[Source: Carbon Motors]
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BMW Group receives major order from Carbon Motors Corp. to supply diesel engines for US law enforcement vehicles
  • Cooperation with US homeland security company
  • Expansion of industry customer business in the field of power-trains
  • Substantial reduction in US government fleet's CO2 emissions

Munich/Washington, D.C. The BMW Group has received a major order from the American law enforcement vehicle manufacturer, Carbon Motors Corp., to supply more than 240,000 diesel engines. Ian Robertson, member of the Board of Management of BMW AG, responsible for Sales and Marketing, and William Santana Li, Chairman and CEO of Carbon Motors Corp. signed the contract at a ceremony held in Washington, D.C. today. The agreement calls for delivery of inline six-cylinder diesel engines complete with cooling and exhaust gas system and automatic transmission.

Ian Robertson: "We announced the expansion of our powertrain system sales business as part of the company's Strategy Number ONE. Today's agreement with Carbon Motors marks another important milestone along this route – with others to follow." Robertson continued: "We are delighted to support Carbon Motors Corp. with our engine expertise. BMW Group diesel engines have a clear lead over the competition when it comes to fuel consumption, emissions and performance. In this way, we will also help reduce the fuel consumption and CO2 emissions of more than 240,000 US law enforcement vehicles by up to 40% over the coming years."

Carbon Motors Corp. was founded in 2003 and is the world's first manufacturer of purpose-built law enforcement vehicles. "In the BMW Group, we have found a strong partner who has been operating successfully in the US for more than three decades," noted Li. "The BMW Group drive system makes it possible to accommodate the mission critical law enforcement needs for performance, efficiency, and driving dynamics. Efficient BMW diesel engines will benefit not only the environment, but – thanks to the fleet's lower running costs–– also the American taxpayer," said Li.

More performance combined with lower fuel consumption and emissions – that is the motto of the BMW EfficientDynamics technology that has been standard in more than 1.6 million vehicles the company has sold since 2007. Continuous improvements in diesel engines are also a major part of this program. In recent years BMW diesel engines have dominated their classes at the renowned "International Engine of the Year Awards." In 2009, the BMW Group sold around 498,000 diesel engines vehicles worldwide – almost 39 of the more than 761,000 vehicles delivered in Europe were equipped with this kind of drive. Diesel is also becoming increasingly important in the US, where two diesel models, the BMW X5 xDrive35d and the BMW 335d Sedan have been available since December 2008. Diesel accounted for 17% of X5 sales for 2009 as a whole. In the meantime, almost one in three BMW X5 vehicles sold in the US has an inline six-cylinder diesel motor. The BMW X5 is the premium segment's best selling diesel vehicle.

Engine development and construction is one of the BMW Group's core competences and is part of the company's heritage since its founding in 1916. Today the BMW Group has a strong network with a total of 24 production facilities in 13 countries, including three engine plants in Steyr, Austria; Munich, Germany; and Hams Hall, UK.


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      • 4 Years Ago
      Well that comment sure got borked. I hate this company, and it's overly aggressive macho styling for d-bag cops that are already abusing their powers.
      • 4 Years Ago
      While I like the idea of this car, I think it's simply pricing itself out of reach.
        • 4 Years Ago
        pricing? how about long term? 3 years of free service? no? bwahahaha. have fun in 5 or 6 years. diesel powerplants tend to be rather robust, bmws dont, so i'll give it a 50/50 chance.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Benfolio: a fully kitted out, patrol-ready Crown Vic is nowhere near $50k. Furthermore, when a department retires a Crown Vic, they often take out the patrol equipment and put in a new chassis.
        • 4 Years Ago
        the thing is , this is not a normal car converted for police use , from what i understand it's supposed to be something like the vehicles used by the military, made to last long and easy to upgrade. that would explain the cost.

        @ zamafir , i drove a 525td from 1993 with 520k km on it a few weeks ago , BMW diesels are really good.

        i guess the new 3.0 diesel from BMW was too expensive:

        http://wot.motortrend.com/6551793/auto-news/bmw-debuts-306-hp-442-lb-ft-diesel-for-european-3-7-series/index.html
        • 4 Years Ago
        The police around here drive V6 Chargers. They wouldn't even spring for V8 Chargers, and Carbon Motors thinks they'll buy a $50K car?
        • 4 Years Ago
        I would have to agree. BMW diesel $$$
        • 4 Years Ago
        I seem to wonder why the choice of the BMW Diesel. For a while everyone thought the diesel from the Grand Cherokee (itself a Benz diesel) was the option of choice as the Bluetec seems to be a version of the same diesel. I even beleive its the same basic motor in the Sprinter Vans?
        • 4 Years Ago
        The Carbon Motors police car is a nice idea, but most nice ideas
        aren't economically sound as a business. "Proprietary Technology" is
        the car's biggest selling point as it being a purpose-build police
        car, but it is also the company's biggest weakness; the economics of
        scale for mass production of a product as complex as an automobile
        just don't work. The production model for Carbon Motors is closer to
        one used for tanks or fighter jets and not one of standard production
        cars, since Carbon states that they will not sell any cars directly
        or allow cars to be sold indirectly to the civilian market. Without
        total sales numbers of at least 50,000 units per year, I can't see
        how the expense of simple repairs or replacement parts being less
        than what one would expect from having a Ferrari or Lamborghini or
        Bugatti serviced. This is unlike Ford that will use their D3
        platform for the Interceptor, which is already in use for the
        civilian-Taurus, Flex, MKS, MKT, next-gen Explorer, Volvo S80, Volvo
        XC90, and possibly the Land Rover LR2; Ford will not stand or fall
        on the police market, but Carbon Motors will.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Carbon Motors thinks they will sell 240,000 cruisers at $50k each? They are smokin' dope. Not. Gonna. Happen.
      • 4 Years Ago
      if American government, municipals, etc... buy German cars for police purposes, I will officially complaint to Congress. American money has to go to American people and manufacturers. I have never seen Cadillacs used as cruisers in Germany!
        • 4 Years Ago
        Dear John,

        With basic business knowledge you should be able to understand that the most important thing is where the money get syphoned!! it doesnt matter if an Impala has mexican speakers, what it matters overall is where the Impala's profit went to and not the few bucks the Mexican speakers supplier was paid. I think in America we have enough power plants to power our police cruisers, we dont need Germany for that, enough with all the Chinese crap that we have and all the lost manufacturing jobs that we have suffered so far..Wake up!
        • 4 Years Ago
        It will be an American built vehicle with a German power plant. Considering how many parts of any vehicle are built in other countries, your point is moot.
        • 4 Years Ago
        So why didn't you complain 20 years ago, after all the CrownVic has been built in Canada for decades now???


        (and while I am all for buying American when it is possible, there is no chance that BMW is going to build that engine here just to supply Carbon, and there are no American-built diesel alternatives AFAIK)
      • 4 Years Ago
      The cost of maintaining a BMW engine alone will outweigh any fuel savings, especially since diesels are typically higher maintenance than even the gas/petrol variants.

      And as others have mentioned, the very high up-front costs. I don't see police departments abandoning their GM/Ford relationships soon. I think Taurus in particular will be a very attractive buy and offer the least maintenance costs.



        • 4 Years Ago
        You have it wrong. Diesels are more expensive up front but they require much less maintenance due to the lower parts count and last much longer due to the inherent self lubricating properties of the diesel fuel. In Europe all taxis and non pursuit police vehicles are diesel powered for a reason. I read about a Mercedes taxi in Portugal that had done over 1 million miles without opening the engine.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The Diesels of legend that require little maintenance are gone now. Diesels are very complex, as complex as a gas car now.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I don't pretend to be a diesel expert, but I have never heard that they diesels had typically higher maintenance costs than gas engines. If anything, I have always heard them to be nearly bullet-proof in terms of reliability what with them not needing sparkplugs, many of them using iron blocks and spinning much slower.

        There is no doubt that they do typically have a higher initial cost, but some clarification would be appreciated about your higher maintenance costs comment.
        • 4 Years Ago
        i think in the US , diesels require more maintenance because of the fuel they use, they need to mix it with urea.
        • 4 Years Ago
        The diesels of old were heavy, slow-reving, low horsepower, low stressed engines. Modern, high-output, turbo-charged, direct injection diesels have almost nothing in common with diesels of old. They run very, very high pressure fuel injection systems with very expensive parts. Add in the required emissions systems for US federalization and you have a very complex engine indeed.

        If you think modern diesel engines are not expensive to maintain, talk to owners of 2009+ Ford and GM pickups.
      • 4 Years Ago
      "...the cop car market is going to get very interesting in the next few years."

      Too bad the REAL car market isn't...


      Plus, isn't there a bit about Chevy offering the Caprice, but not selling it to the public that gets it *around* some federalization requirements?

      I wonder if similar loopholes due to the government service exclusivity allow diesels in these Carbon Motors cars, where they make it difficult and expensive in regular cars.

      Possibly another case of "Do as I say, not as I DO!" from the national government. I refuse to call it federal anymore. It no longer resembles the definition of a federal republic. If it did, we wouldn't see these double standards and infringing industry restrictions.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Like LS2LS7 mentioned above, everything you have read is flat out guessing as to why one car can come here and another version doesn't.

        Sorry to burst the bubble, but it's not some grand conspiracy scheme. The Free Masons are not involved, and neither are space aliens. But the Mole people, just might be slightly involved.

        9 times out of 10 times why one version doesn't come over does NOT involve "federalization" at all - simply that the company's internal research states that it probably won't be worth bringing it over.

        Contrary to popular belief, but it's not as simple as throwing it onto a boat and shipping it across the Atlantic (or Pacific). There are tons more issues that need to get resolved, and only major changes have anything to do with governmental issues. You can't just bring over a car with a different engine without having an educated dealership network to sell it and a marketing campaign to pitch it. You need trained mechanics to service it and parts to be used when one breaks down. But I guess it's just easier to blame the gob'ment than look at the reality.
        • 4 Years Ago
        What the hell are you talking about?

        The Caprice is essentially a Pontiac G8 but with Chevy badging. How the heck is that considered "getting around" federalization requirements as you profess it to be? Was the G8 not authorized to be sold in the US?

        And how is using a BMW diesel engine - one that can be purchased as an option right now in certain BMW models - be considered a "loophole"???

        Someone seriously needs to take off their tinfoil hat or grab a cup of coffee this Monday morning because they are clearly talking conspiracy gibberish.
        • 4 Years Ago
        There is no information that was released that explained by GM isn't selling the Caprice cruiser to regular people. Anything you've read is just conjecture.

        And your thing about the price of Diesels doesn't even make sense. If there's anything making Diesels expensive besides the fact that they are complex, it's the difficulty/cost in meeting emissions. And this engine is being chosen because it does meet emissions. So if there's any advantage to being outside the regs, this engine isn't gaining the advantage of them.
        • 4 Years Ago
        When the Caprice PPV was announced by GM, and the fact that it WILL NOT BE SOLD TO THE PUBLIC...

        ...it was mentioned that if they were to sell it to the public, they would have to federalize the longer body, and the different front end, and such. EVERY vehicle form has to be federalized, and the Caprice is the longer Zeta variant, not the shorter one that the G8 shared with the Commodore.

        The fact that they will not sell it to the public, I remember reading was going to get it out of some of the re-federalization costs and regulations that it would have to go through.

        It doesn't MATTER that the G8 was already federalized. Any changes have to be re-federalized.

        Why do you think so many cars are denied to the US, when other high-volume variants of the same chassis, are sold here.

        Why do you think the A5 Sportback isn't sold in the US, but the A5 coupe, and A4 sedan ARE? they are all the same chassis. They all have the same front end structure, and all the same engines. The back of the car is the only real difference... yet the A5 Sportback isn't forecast to sell well enough to pay for the RE-Federalization of the A5 Sportback itself, despite the A4 and A5 coupe already being federalized.

        THAT is why the damn system is broken. Things aren't type-certified, they are individually certified. And something that only the government uses, not available to the people themselves, probably escapes all that bureaucracy, because the government doesn't want to abide by it's own red tape.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Can't imagine many fleet managers will want to go anywhere near a BMW diesel. The Chevrolet Tahoe Police Vehicle just looks better and better.
      • 4 Years Ago
      The Carbon Motors E7 is a long awaited vehicle for police use. All other emergency responders have specific built vehicles for their needs, but police have always had "fleet" vehicles. The car is purpose built for what a police officer may put a police car through so it is ruggedized if you will.

      The E7 is expensive up front, but there is little equipment to add and the projected life span of this vehicle is double or triple of what a current police vehicle is, thus saving a lot of money in the long run. In comparison a fire truck can cost up to $1 million, but nobody complaines about that.

      Sorry for those of you wanting one after they are retired, no E7's will ever find their way to civilian use. Carbon Motors will give a credit to the next vehicle purchased and take back the old car (as part of the purchase agreement) and recycle as much as possible. By the way the first year of production is already sold out...
        • 4 Years Ago
        First year of production sold out? When would that be? Automotive News reports that the first engines won't even be delivered until July 2013. And Carbon Motors has received a little over 12,000 orders since the middle of last year. Whether those orders actually go through by the middle of 2013 is a whole other matter, especially the way that most municipal budgets are tightening. With an entire annual market of only 65 to 75K units a year, I wouldn't bank on Carbon Motors success just yet.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I uprated you, Poopy.
      As a former owner of two former in-service Crown Vics, I loled at your comment.
      Had to check my oil like a damn RX-8 owner.
      • 4 Years Ago
      There's no way they're going to sell 240k of these. That's a pipe dream. Plus, the carbon motors cruiser is going to be north of 10k more than a fully kitted out caprice/taurus/charger. Yeah, it might be a cop's dream car, but there's just no way departments can shell out that much cash for one.
      • 4 Years Ago
      What's the story on this William Santana Li guy, anyway? From what I've seen, he's good at promotion of the brand, but that's about it. The car is vaporware until they start rolling off the assembly line. At $50,000 a pop, I don't think they'll get many takers.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I doubt that this will be successful.
      • 4 Years Ago
      http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/19/charting-the-five-ohs-next-gen-cop-car-comparo/#comments

      There. Identical comments, yet highly rated. You comment raters are skitzo.
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