• Mar 9th 2010 at 6:30PM
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Is CARB backing down on its so-called "cool cars" regulation? On May 7, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) will have to turn in its final draft of the controversial regulations, which calls for automakers to build cars and trucks with windows that prevent 45% of the sun's energy from entering a vehicle by 2014 and 60% by 2016. Vehicle manufacturers have argued that it will be expensive to meet the requirements, and other groups are complaining for their own reasons. Heck, there was initially concern that off-roaders might lose their beloved Jeep Wrangler altogether. Thank goodness they came to their senses.

While several different groups have significant concerns about the proposal, it looks like CARB might finally be listening to one group in particular – law enforcement. It seems that California's sheriffs, police chiefs and crime victim groups are calling for the plan to be amended... and CARB is actually listening.

According to The Detroit News, The California Police Chiefs Association, California State Sheriffs Association, Crime Victims United of California and other groups are concerned that the required window glazing needed to meet the new regulations will seriously degrade cell phone signals, as well as those from ankle monitoring bracelets. We wouldn't want to lose track of felons now, would we? The other big concern is that 911 calls might not get through if the window treatment prohibits a strong signal.

That seems to be sending CARB back to the drawing board, with suggestions coming that the plan will be revised before the May 7 deadline. As a refresher, the idea behind the "cool cars" regulation is to save gas and reduce emissions. Cooler cars reduce their air con use, and with California's overflowing freeways, that could mean a significant drop. In fact, CARB is predicting that the regulations will save 700,000 metric tons of carbon dioxide by 2020 – the equivalent of parking 140,000 cars a year.

[Source: The Detroit News]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      Can you imagine running an air conditioner in an EV? Air conditioners, being compressors, are massive electricity hogs. Using a battery to power an air conditioner will have a lot of EV owners wondering if they will get home if they put it on. Should be interesting especially in Southern California.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Traditional thinking only produces the same old problems.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Here's an idea, why not subsidize convertibles/open top cars? Not like a here's money for driving them, but like a reduced road useage tax/vehicle registration fee. That'd be the easiest way to have cool cars.

      Furthermore, why not just up the tax on gasoline? Or let people put a lot of tint on their cars?

      And lastly, I think the biggest waste of gas is idiling at lights and stuff. Why not make intelligent traffic lights? And why not mandate idler stop/starts on automatic transmissions if you're going to mandate anything?
        • 5 Years Ago
        All great ideas - but in a state that's pretty much out of money, who's going to pay for it all? It always seems when CA gets an idea into its head the rest of the country has to pay for it as well. I'd actually love intelligent stoplights, not because I give a hoot about saving gas, but because my time is more valuable to me and it's incredibly annoying sitting at a totally empty intersection waiting for your green.

        Mega tint is a great idea until cops start getting popped late at night on a regular basis when they come up to a gang bangers window.

        The sad thing is all the BS that comes out of this government concerning the environment, global warming is happening but its not the main fault of humans. The earth has gone thru warming and cooling cycles for hundreds of eons. I'd love to see how things would be if we just happened to live during a period of an approaching ice age, how people would be begging for cars that get 9mpg thinking they could stave off something beyond the control of humans.
      • 5 Years Ago
      California is friggin' insane. What a mess.

      So glad i moved.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I would figure instead of saving precious tons of CO2 from going into the air, the might want to start saving their freaking MONEY. It's no secret they are a broken and bankrupt state. It's not surprising that they think MORE legislation and red tape is the answer.

      They could tax their people into oblivion and it still would not do anything to solve the problem that there are millions of people there illegally crowding and and overflowing the social services system.

      I'd love to know how much could be put back every year into the states coffers if CARB was disbanded and scrapped. All I can say is I'm thankful I don't live there.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Jeff Johnson

        Beautiful. I wish you could get more than 3 stars.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Epic rant. Wholeheartedly agree on all points.

        Just need to add that about 80% of their problems stem from the fact that their state has subverted representative democracy via the proposition process. This allows morans (no typo there) and libnuts with zero public policy background turn idiotic ideas into states laws.

        The other 20% of the problem is 1/2 majority pass for spending, 2/3 super majority for tax hikes. Does not compute.
      • 5 Years Ago
      No matter how efficient the tint is, the car is not going to be any cooler inside than the outside temperature when sitting in the sun.

      If you hold your doors open for a few seconds before you step in, you could get rid of some of the excess stale heat that is in the car.

      It's the drivers who pay for the excess fuel for the AC.
        • 5 Years Ago
        crap. i obviously didn't proof this post, lol.
        • 5 Years Ago
        This statement depends on how long the car is sitting out in the sun. The more effective the tint, the longer a car will stay below the ambient temperature. The less effective the tint, the faster a car will reach ambient temperature and exceed it with the greenhouse effect.

        It's the drivers that pay for the excess fuel, but if you believe in CO2 induced global warming, its the planet and all its inhabitants that pay for the increase in greenhouse gases (in ways that some would argue can't be rectified by a tax, some would argue).
        • 5 Years Ago
        I was going to add another sentence, but I couldn't word it right.

        I also don't believe in "man made" global warming. And my doubts are ever rising with more scandals popping up almost every day by the people who were pushing this hoax on us.

        One more thing, we don't pollute as much as we did in the past. We have less smog and fewer reports of toxic fish in our waters (and our lakes don't catch on fire anymore).
      • 5 Years Ago
      I don't suppose it occurred to the CARB to just ask drivers, dealers, and police in Arizona how well tinted windows work. We have quite a lot of experience with it over here.

      Some tints that are using metallic based tint may effect cell phone signals and GPS signals.

      There are new tints that reduce heat substantially while still retaining enough transparency to even be used on windshields.

      Tinted windows have a substantial effect on how fast the interior of a car heats up and cools down. To say otherwise flies in the face of a great deal of research by car companies and plastic film manufacturers like 3M.
      • 5 Years Ago
      When California ultimately begs the US taxpayers for a bailout, it should come with the caveat that they cut off CARB, quit siphoning resources from other states (i.e. electric and water), and become self sufficient.

      There is a saying that how the state of California goes, so shall follow the US. And that is exactly what is happening with the huge entitlement spending that is simply not sustainable. Organizations such as CARB typify what is wrong with the US.
        • 5 Years Ago
        California acts as a testing ground for legislation that can eventually make its way to other states. It's a good thing that CARB finally came to their senses and avoided going forward with these mandated changes. But it's also a good thing that CARB is testing out these ideas, getting feedback, and killing legislation that doesn't work.

        But if they could find some way to keep cars cooler and then require manufacturers to implement those changes without outraging people, that would be the way to go. My guess is they go back to the drawing board and look for another idea that doesn't get police officers so riled up. They don't really seem to care about the public, but they ought to. We're the ones voting, right?
      • 5 Years Ago
      With California bordering on bankruptcy, how can they afford such idiocy as CARB? CARB's demands for fuel efficiency and low emissions have become so incredibly petty, it's apparent they are in the self-preservation and self-perpetuation mode. Doing anything that may make themselves appear relevant. However, it is seriously backfiring. When a government organization has time and budget to bicker over window tinting, it is time for them to close up shop.

      It appears that California's bureaucratic inefficiencies are greater than the alleged inefficiencies of the cars on the street. I just hope the politicians are unique in this idiocy and not representative of the people of California. I would be ashamed to even live in that state. It's no wonder I encounter so many people here in Texas that have recently moved from California. And that is no joke!

      • 5 Years Ago
      You get one push for a mandate today. And lets just say it becomes enacted..

      Will they push for a new regulation after that? I'm sure they will.

      And then after that? I'm sure.

      And then after that? Absolutely..

      Will they ever be satisfied? No, I don't think so.

      Maybe the government should just cut to the chase and set up 3 or 4 design templates for cars to be sold in CA (depending on the purpose).. I'm sure more people will be flocking to showrooms for these new cars designed by government bureaucrats.. I'm sure Californians would be thrilled to own a car designed by their government.. Since the bureaucrats know what kind of car is better for Californians. Right?
      • 5 Years Ago
      My question is, Californians being Californians, I wonder how many convertible owners drive in the summer heat with the top down and the A/C blowing...
      • 5 Years Ago
      I always have had tint on my cars, it is well worth it in the summer. Utah doesn't let you have dark front door windows, I think the rule is about 20%.
      How many people are driving with ankle locator's that it would be a problem?
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yeah, I have driven cars with limo tint, it is worthless at night. The car I have now has the good 3M tint, makes a world of difference in the sun.
        About the cell phone reception, I have never had a problem with it.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Most tint isnt a problem for ankle bracelets or cell phone reception. The problem with front tint is that it doesn't allow you to see the person driving the car. Without being able to see that person, you can't tell whether they are paying attention to the road, are actually in the car, or what race they are so that you can properly avoid them (kidding). Also, at night, it becomes an issue for the driver.

        I love my 5% tint, but I know that I read fellow driver's faces as I'm driving as I feel I can keep myself safer that way. Also I can barely see at night.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Cops can come up with the most asinine excuses for illegally dark tinted car windows . What gets me is how they have no problem getting LAWS passed to keep me from tinting MY vehicle's windows but at the same time they drive around in taxpayers vehicle's with illegally too dark windows all the time .
      They don't want the citizen's to see them driving without buckling-up or asleep behind the bill boards .
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