• Feb 9, 2010
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Could the apparent braking problems reported on the Toyota Prius – which Toyota admits was an issue on the current model prior to being resolved earlier this year – extend past the recently released 2010 model? According to TheDetroitBureau.com, the answer is a resounding... maybe.

The third generation of the popular hybrid hatchback hit the market in 2009 as a 2010 model, and some 300,000 vehicles are thought to have a software glitch that could cause the car to lose braking power for up to one full second under certain circumstances. But that's not all. Apparently, reports of braking issues have been pouring in since 2005 or even earlier. If true, over a million second-generation Prius hybrids could potentially be affected.

Perhaps it's worth mentioning that previous electronic issues have also been reported, such as headlights that burn out too quickly and malfunctioning traction control system. As pointed out by TheDetroitBureau.com, "ABS, traction control, electronic stability control and various other technologies all rely, at least in part, on braking to improve the stopping, handling and stability of today's cars, including Prius."



[Source: TheDetroitBureau.com]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      I went to the NHTSA site and checked complaints for the 2008 Prius and found a number of complaints of problems with braking similar to those reported for the 2010 (e..g. braking over bumps). In one case the person complaining has a 2005 and a 2008 Prius and has had this problem with both cars! I suspect that this has been a problem for a long time.
      • 4 Years Ago
      If a former Toyota spokesman founded a website called Tokyo Pulse or something, couldn't we assume it favors the Japs?

      • 4 Years Ago
      Seems like toyota's reputation is going the way of the dodo
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ Tourian

        And what makes a "qualified market analyst" right about where the bottom would be? They were all wrong not too long ago. If you invest for yourself, then do that, invest for yourself.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Toyota is a $95-$100 stock all day long. The fundamentals have not changed one bit. They will take a 2-3 billion hit but that is pocket change for them.

        There are still some suckers that will sell on the bad news which should push it south of $60/share. Thats when my buy orders will start going in.

        I've seen this kind of thing many, many times in the market over the years. This time next year, I'll be up $20/share easily.
        • 4 Years Ago
        People like you are so short sighted. Thats OK for me. Our ADD, Youtube, sound-bite, culture offers many opportunities for the savvy investor.

        Go ahead and ask me how my $2.50/share Ford stock is doing right now. That was way more risky than a Toyota rebound will be.
        • 4 Years Ago
        So you haven't bought any stock. Got it.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Glock23

        Okay, so have you put your money where your mouth is? Has the stock reached the proverbial and "artificial" bottom yet? How much stock have you bought since this debacle began?
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ glock23 what about you learn some basic finance "toyota is a 95-100 stock all day long"...... hahaha might want to get a updated quote, and if you think any company is just OK with a 2-3 billion dollar loss than you need to give your head a really hard shake.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Redline

        Exactly, they were all wrong - and can be from time to time. I give them the benefit of the doubt though if they live and die buy their own words and actions.

        @Glock

        No whining, no complaining and you no boasting of my accomplishments in life. You are wrong on all of these counts.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I'm not short sighted. I just like to call out people who like to talk big on the internet and act like they have a crystal ball or just "KNOW" what the market will do. You don't. You don't know where the bottom is, you're not a qualified market analyst and you are just boasting. I'd buy stock in Toyota too if I thought it'd make me money, then I'd use it to buy something I want, which wouldn't be a Toyota. But I'm not going to boast that everybody should buy "when it stops dropping" because you really have no clue just like everybody else. Your words would carry more weight if you already owned a bunch of Toyota stock and were gritting your teeth watching it drop every day, or you'd just called your broker and bought some.

        TL;DR You are just talking trash on the internet.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I've been investing in the market for about 20 years. Toyota is having a rough time currently and has caught a string of bad press but they are a huge manufacturing power with a solid balance sheet.

        How low will it go? I'm not claiming to know for sure but there is likely another 8-10% drop ready to happen as they get grilled in congress and the media. By April-May, it begins to turn along with the US and global car market what has been depressed for 2+ years.

        There are also people like you all over the internet. That whine, complain, and do nothing more than tear others down while accomplishing nothing in their own life.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Time to buy Ford...Cant count on Toyotas anymore!
      Lax1221
      • 4 Years Ago
      Is it really necessary to have tons and tons of articles of Toyota's problems? I'm so sick of hearing about it from every car site and news site. Toyota has made recalls and is possible making another one regarding the Prius, get over it already. Now all these people who have been in an accident over the past five years that own a Toyota are going to blame the company even if it wasn't their fault.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Lax1221
        "Is it really necessary to have tons and tons of articles of Toyota's problems? "

        Don't worry. The media has the attention span of a 2 year old and will quickly latch onto the next scandal and move on. The effect here is a bit exaggerated because this is a car blog but they will also follow suit.

        This story is easy to tell. Toyota gets scolded by lawmakers. A couple of key executives resign. Congress makes another new law like TREAD to burden the entire industry and declares victory. Life goes on. Next year at this time, anyone hardly remembers or cares and Toyota continues to make money.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Lax1221
        Yes it is necessary. There is a simple solution if you are not interested. Stop reading. Duh, wasn't that easy?
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Lax1221
        Toyota is still hiding the truth, when they decide to come clean with the public this will stop. When they go before congress you will see the lies begin to unravel, then and only then will you see the dept of this cover-up. Drip drip drip is not the way to cleanse the problem, throw it all on the table, rusty frames, sludge and all.
      • 4 Years Ago
      And more problems from this POS company

      NHTSA fielding complaints about 2009-10 Toyota Corolla steering
      Agency may open probe after reports of unintended veering


      http://www.autonews.com/article/20100209/RETAIL05/100209863/1290
        • 4 Years Ago
        If this probe has legs then Toyota is done.

        Unbelievable. Just unbelievable.
      • 4 Years Ago
      What a loss of solid reputation.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Damn Toyota, when it rains it pours.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Yeah, I thought they already recalled these cars this morning. Surprised that this article isn't about that instead.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I know of at least one other problem that's been widely reported in both generations of the Prius: apparently it's fugly as hell.

      More evidence is coming out every day with consumers describing a distinct lack of any jealousy over their purchase whatsoever by friends and neighbors. Some said that reactions to declarations about their ownership have garnered responses ranging from a monotonic, "oh...," to the more strident, "are you kidding me?" and even occasional examples of mocking laughter.

      Andrew Powell of Jackson Hole, Wyoming said, "When I got this thing I was sure that all of the liberal panty-wastes in my community would praise and idolize me for my forward-thinking perspective on the environment, but really all I've noticed is a dramatic decline in interest from the female sex and a pervasive sense of mixed pity and disgust from men like my personal trainer, Todd, and this guy I hired to repair a downspout on my house last fall."

      In response to mounting complaints from disgruntled owners, a Toyota spokesperson, who asked to be kept anonymous, said, "well I don't really know what they expected. I mean it looks like a pregnant fish, accelerates like my grandmother's Rascal and has a driving experience as sharp and involving as riding a rubber inner-tube down a lazy stream on a hot summer afternoon."

      Statements like this have incited outrage at Toyota's seeming lack of concern for the dwindling sex lives and plummeting self-confidence of Prius buyers who had been convinced by media hype that the entire world was moving in the direction of eco-friendly transportation and believed that being on the cutting edge would firmly entrench them in the ranks of the elite and well-informed. Instead, it seems that the world's largest automaker has decided to remain silent on the issue, hoping the matter will stall short of the boiling point before hastily-prepared responses to the crisis, in the form of a hotly anticipated sports coupe jointly developed with Subaru, and a rumored follow-up to its once prized Supra, a car so environmentally offensive that people who have regular sex and most of their hair continue to pay exorbitant premiums to own examples now 15 years old.

      One thing is certain, if Toyota hopes to take a step back from the brink of vehicular flaccidity, a massive recall of all Prius models may be the automotive giant's only hope. A fix is said to be under development, but until an announcement from the company is made public, how dealers will be able to beat the ugly out of one of the most sinfully unattractive objects on four wheels, let alone instill it with driving dynamics that don't invite comparisons to navigating a pool filled with Jell-O on snowshoes, is anyone's guess.

      Reporting live from the land of Reason and Sanity, I'm Skablaw.
      • 4 Years Ago
      This Toyota-gate has been exaggerated to the extreme by the media. Toyota has the unrivalled (with the exception of Mazda) reliability and built quality record and ANY other manufacturers would be proud of such an achievement.

      Yes, the problem is serious but the number of actual accidents is incredibly small given the proliferation of cars.

      To me, VW problems with DSG cars (spontaneuous acceleration, braking, and car refusing to react to gas pedal or shift-lever movement, or refusing to move at all...) is MUCH more serious problem. And, statistically speaking, it affected way more cars than brake/gas pedal gates of Toyota.
        • 4 Years Ago
        No one is questioning recalls, every single automaker has them...Toyota is in denial of their problems, the fact that it takes a news organization to present Toyota with overwhelming evidence to the problem areas, to then after the fact come clean on the matter to which leads to a recall is the "News Story" ...Toyota continues to look evil...Just last week admitting to having brake problems in the Prius is not helping, Why if Toyota knew the Prius had abs brake problem, why not issues a service billeting to fix it???..Once again it took the media for them to come clean...Toyota continues to feed the media because the media continues to uncover, cover ups from Toyota..
        • 4 Years Ago
        Josh: Yeah, I guess Toyota should've done like Ford and recalled 15 million vehicles in batches over a span of 10 years for the same problem. That way they would get much less heat from the media and public as far as I've seen. The overall public safety risk is minimal. It's as high as every other recall from every other manufacturer- next to none. Not to mention that this problem isn't even related to the unintended acceleration fiasco. It's related to the Ford Fusion and Milan hybrid software brake glitch, which I should mention hasn't gotten half as much coverage around the media.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Tourian: Hey, you were the one who implied that the Big 3 haven't had recalls that have caused deaths. I proved you wrong. Statistically, the Big 3 have had more recalls and for more vehicles in even recent years. Try not to think with your emotions.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Jeez: "Did you see a week of coverage for each of GM's 17 recalls last year? What about Chrysler's 16 recalls, or Ford's 8 recalls?"

        Chrysler had 11 recalls in calendar year 2009 affecting cars in the 2009 and 2010 model years. I didn't have time to add up the numbers, but they were substantially less total vehicles involved than Toyota, and even less than GM and Ford.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @Tourian:

        Oh don't even try to pretend that domestic recalls are somehow special and don't cause injuries or deaths. Just because something hasn't caused death doesn't mean it's not life-threatening. How are engine fires not life threatening? How are corvette convertible roofs flying off not life threatening? How are ford cruise control fires not life threatening (actually they killed a bunch of people)? How are tailgate cables corroding not life threatening (they caused 134 injuries)? I'm sure you can look up the numbers yourself bud. Some recalls are not life threatening, but the majority are. Although they very, very rare- just like Toyota's unintended acceleration.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Thank you, Jeez.

        I challenge all other guys - prove me wrong. Yes, every death resulting from manufacturing fault is a tragedy... Still, I'd rather have a Toyota than a Chevrolet.

        Following the bad press Detroit got last year, this is a welcome meat for both media and US car industry. You guys seem to be just too keen to nag Japanese car industry. Want a proof? Toyota's profit dropped. So what. It's still better off financially than GM which ONLY exists thanks to the bailout.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Oh no! My tailgate cables? Impending cable death all around? I have not heard of tailgategate yet, but thanks for the warning Jeez.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Wow...you're amazing.

        How else would you suggest the evil media respond to the (A) largest recall so far this year by ANY company (B) largest safety recall EVER by Toyota (C) blatant coverup by said car company (D) ongoing findings each day which lead to more recalls on more models (E) the overall public safety risk...

        I wish I had some hard numbers for you but I'm sure it's on AB if we look quickly...but to suggest this isn't newsworthy is about as logical as putting the moonlanding below the fold.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ Jeez

        I didn't suggest you look up any numbers. I just know you can cherry pick some of the recalls and perhaps conclude they could cause injury or deaths, but the number of Vettes on the road PALES in comparison to the number of just Camrys. Toyota has recalled MILLIONS of cars for this SAME issue. You cannot see the difference because you are an apologist and are biased.
        • 4 Years Ago
        @ Jeez

        Where each of the other recalls from other companies possibly linked to deaths? Toyota can deny it, but people now believe that the floor mat and accelerator issue have KILLED people. You are trying to relate a story of say, Ford recalling cars for let's say, bad window regulators, when that won't be a blip on the media's radar. So no, I don't expect weekly coverage of a non life threatening issue in light of the accelerator and brake problems associated with Toyota right now.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Just class action lawsuits will cost them more than $5 bil.
      LOL
      • 4 Years Ago
      Ford added 4.5 million Vehicles to the speed control switch that would catch on fire, That's ADDED to the already 9.6 million cars they recalled for the same thing. That's over 14 million cars! But thats no big deal since its so "normal" for lack of a better term, for Domestics to have problems. People houses burned down cause of them, and I'm sure more people have died in that then they're pedal sticking. And airbag deploying on their own are a lot easier to prove manufacturer fault then consumers blaming the pedal for their stupidity. Not saying there isn't problem with them but people will do anything to pass the blame ball

      Also just read in the newspaper about Airbags going off randomly on 04-06 F-150, 225 reports and 66 injuries. Are they going to recall them unless forces to? Probably not. They found the problem and updated the part that caused the problem on the assembly line. Some possible 1.5 million affected cars

      All Makes have serious problems that they know full well about but they that will avoid a recall like the plague.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Two wrongs don't make a right. Let's hope that not only Toyota but all of them learn their lessons from this media frenzy. And if they don't, only Toyota does, then it's yet another advantage Toyota will have over their competitors.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Despite the fact that there has never been anything like the series of technical problems and management blunders shown by Toyota, their fans keep believing that Toyota has 'unrivaled reliability and build quality', and they will get their reputation back in a few months. What crap.

      Toyota is unquestionably moving in the wrong direction on both fronts, so much so that it would now be a gross mistake for Ford to claim that they are on a quality level equal to Toyota. I would hate to see Ford go backwards that far.
        • 4 Years Ago
        And when do you think that may be?
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