• Feb 2, 2010
Toyota's recalled pedal assembly close-up – Click above for high-res image gallery

That's right, more ThrottleGate! Even though the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) doesn't have to approve Toyota's solution to fix its recalled gas pedals, the NHTSA could offer up an objection. 2.3 million Toyota cars and trucks have been affected by the pedal recall in the U.S., with other pedals being recalled in other cars around the world.

Since Toyota's remedy is not being challenged, this gives the green light for the Japanese car-building giant to resume production of the eight vehicles halted by the recall. The target date for this is February 8. Additionally, Toyota dealers should be able to resume selling the eight prohibited models, including the hottest-selling Camry and Corolla, one they get the parts. And finally, NHTSA says that customers who receive a fixed pedal now will be eligible for a new pedal once said pedals reach dealerships. We're not sure if Toyota's down with that claim, though company president Jim Lentz did indicate that customers could work with dealers on a case-by-case basis if they want an all-new pedal instead of the fix.



[Source: Automotive News - sub. req. | Images: Adam Morath – AOL Autos]


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      • 4 Years Ago
      Here's a video from The Dallas Morning News (dallasnews.com) showing an interview with Bob Biggs, a master tech at Freeman Toyota in Hurst (a Fort Worth suburb), talking about the recall, as he replaces the pedal on an Avalon:

      http://www.dallasnews.com/video/dallasnews/hp/index.html?nvid=412978
      • 4 Years Ago
      There are so many intelligent people talking about the Toyota gas pedal these days and I'm puzzled by the fact that only very few of them point out the real issue.

      The fact is that Toyota has a huge flaw in their control systems that makes braking inefficient or totally useless when the gas pedal is depressed. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIIT0WJS4s)

      I haven't seen any other car do that. People, just try this one: when you sit in your car next, accelerate and then with your left foot press on the brake. I haven't seen any car - bar the Toyota - that wouldn't brake perfectly in this condition. Brakes are always MUCH stronger than an engine. Also, if they weren't so, left-foot braking as a driving technique wouldn't work.

      The real issue with Toyota is that somehow brake assist is lost if the gas pedal is depressed. One of my friend reproed that even on a 99 Sienna. Stick shifters apparently don't have this problem.

      I'm totally dazzled by the fact that no one is actually focusing on the real problem. The rubber mats and sticky pedals are just a cover up - a condition, but not the root cause.
      • 4 Years Ago
      So many twists and turns.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Now its time to fix the Prius and its faulty acceleration software. Jalopnik was running a story this morning about Steve Wozniak and his Prius.
      • 4 Years Ago
      In other news, it's been reported that Toyota owner's have been seen rapidly accelerating to local religious stores to find the coveted dashboard stick on plastic Jesus.
      • 4 Years Ago
      You may remember the Audi uninended acceleration fiasco years ago; it took them a long time to overcome the negative perception in the US market. In the end there was no explanation other than the possibility that the brake/accelerator pedals were located on the same plane and customers inadvertently pressed both simultaneously (this was suggested early on as a possible explanation for the Toyota pandemic).

      Audi's initial reaction was about the same as Toyota's; dismissing abjectly out of hand any possible reason.

      At the mere suggestion of a problem, customers were coming out of the woodwork with horrific tales of crises-- same as now. Remember, perception = reality. Hysteria rules. Lack of information feeds hysteria in the public eye.

      ANYWAY, I have looked at all the explanations and samples of the accelerator assembly and tried to understand how a little plate would make a bit of difference. Toy's fly-by-wire design, used almost universally, depends on a magnetic sensor located within the assembly. It looks to an almost perfect design. Hard for me, a layman, to see this as the absolute culprit.

      But the engine controls DO function based on input from many sensors within the vehicle, a case of technology cutting costs and improving performance but increasing risk of flaws as the driver's input becomes less and less a part of the driving function.

      I think they had pressure to do something/anything significant to make this go away and this was the best they could do. It seems entirely too simplistic to me.

      Note this morning in the media about 3rd parties suggesting EMI (electro magnetic interference) and this seems plausible enough but Toy says they tested for this.

      But you have to think of other issues-- if the throttle is fully electronic, it could be affected by other 'ghosts' from the many other sensors, ie. the cruise control or speed sensor, or ????

      Several consumers managed to drive the vehicles to the dealerships with the condition occuring (use of start/stop and neutral disengagement apparently). What did the dealers find?

      It seems to me that there is an ongoing nondisclosure that still makes me question the reliability of Toyota's (lame) explanations so far.

      Others?
        • 4 Years Ago
        Most republicans DID NOT think Obama wasn't a US citizen. You're believing what people on the boob tube tell you.
        • 4 Years Ago
        "At the mere suggestion of a problem, customers were coming out of the woodwork with horrific tales of crises-- same as now. Remember, perception = reality. Hysteria rules. Lack of information feeds hysteria in the public eye."

        This is very true. Hence the fact that most Republicans either believe or are unsure whether Obama is a US citizen. Crazy what people will think if the boob-tube tells them what to think.
        • 4 Years Ago
        amnigo - Luis doesn't believe anything outside of MSNBC or Huffington post so don't waste your time.....

      bluecollar706
      • 4 Years Ago
      "I owned a 2008 Toyota Camry for a long time" LOL A long time? What 2 years? Unless your 15, then I guess two years could seem like a long time, but we are talking a good 3-5 years of this problem developing. AND PLEASE don't come on here and brag about owning a Camry, that's like bragging about going to McDonald's.
      • 4 Years Ago
      Good day all! Perhaps I can shed a little light on some of the hysteria. I am a 28 year Toyota and ASE Master Technician. I have owned my own service facility for 15 years, so I don't represent Toyota. I have serviced over 30,000 Toyota products in my career and believe I can speak as an expert in the matter. I have encountered "continued acceleration" on several occasions in the past, however sticky linkage, frayed cables, worn components, bent pedals and so on have caused the situation. All of these incidents happened on older vehicles without this pedal design.
      The complaint which the media continues to refer to as "sudden acceleration" is incorrect. If you accelerate, then let off the accel pedal, and the car continues to speed up, you have a case of continued acceleration. Sudden acceleration would imply that you are sitting @ a stop light and vehicle accelerates without warning and no input from the driver. This is NOT what consumers are complaining of! The hysteria is perpetuated by telling part of the story and not all of it and explaining the risk that any driver faces when driving an affected Toyota. The risk is miniscule. Every Toyota made has more braking power than engine power, so a runaway vehicle is impossible if the driver uses full braking power. You can floor any Toyota model @ 50 mph, stomp on the brakes and the vehicle will stop. Shutting off the key will work, as will putting the vehicle in neutral will also work. As for the potential of a cover-up, as a manufacturer, who determines what is an acceptable level of failure in any safety related part? 1 in a 1,000...1 in 100,000...1 in 1,000,000? Google sudden acceleration ford, see what comes up..try volvo, chevy, audi, chrysler. Point is, every year hundreds of complaints of sudden acceleration are reported across the board for numerous manufacturers, and the NHTSA logs them all. Very few, if any every result in any solid diagnosis and cause for any car. The class action lawsuits start, manufacturers spend thousands defending, settling and paying out $$ that eventually get passed on to the consumer anyhow. At what point do we say that the drivers share some of the responsibility. As for the tragic incidents where people have been injured or died, remember we all face more risk of an accident or death each day we drive a vehicle than we do of the vehicle throttle sticking and causing a runaway situation.
        • 4 Years Ago
        "Point is, every year hundreds of complaints of sudden acceleration are reported across the board for numerous manufacturers, and the NHTSA logs them all."

        If that is the case, then Toyotas should be the safest cars on the road now in relation to sudden or unintended acceleration. You bet your rear that they are staking their reputation on this not happening again and will look at all avenues (hardware + software) under repeated stress testing to make sure it doesn't happen again. There's nothing like a company with its back against the wall and willpower to pull through when it's in a death fight (like Ford is currently doing).
        I will def. buy a Toyota in the future if it matches what I need at the time.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Any vehicle that uses engine vacuum for power brake assist will lose the power brake assist as the engine is under a load. (Full engine load = low/no engine vacuum). What this means is you have a brake system that will require extra effort to apply the brakes, but the brakes will still work, just like cars before power brakes were standard. Same thing would happen if your car stalled while driving. If you coast and apply your brakes, you would find the pedal very stiff, but with enough effort, the brakes will still apply. Once again, helps to know what your vehicle will do in emergency situations.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Hi Toyauto, since you seem the be one of those few who know what he's talking about.

        Originally I also thought that this whole thing is way overblown, because I know very well, as you say, that slamming the brake would always stop the car, even if the gas pedal is floored. Every car I've driven so far did that.

        However, the guy from Consumer Reports demonstrated (_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoIIT0WJS4s) that some Toyota models lose brake assist if the gas pedal is depressed. That would explain why it is such a big issue. But at the same time, I'm standing dumbfounded how any manufacturer could design such brake system. Braking is one of the few absolute must have's on any vehicle.

        Have you observed this behavior on Toyota models indeed, as in the video clip? Do you have any idea what may cause the loss of brake assist?
      • 4 Years Ago
      Toyota's reputation for reliable safe cars has always been the companies goal. I watched a news report on CNN and ABC news that if Toyota does not get this fix right it can affect not only automobile products from Japan but also the perception of quality for Japanese made products. I hope that this is a permanent fix for Toyota and hopefully reinstates Toyota's reputation for reliable, quality, and safe vehicles. People should not compare what happened to Toyota to what happened 20 to 30 to 40 + years ago. I am not a big fan of Toyota, but this is what happens when you want to be the number one automobile manufacturer in the world. Hopefully Toyota learns from this and does not dismiss any problems that customers have with their products.
      • 4 Years Ago
      I too think it has been taken way out of context. Still waiting on a failure in action on video of a pedal being stuck or taking off by itself (even though it can't do that).

      I don't even own a Toyota right now, but had a Corolla and it was great. In all of Toyota's bad PR, I will be keeping an eye out on low priced used IS300s for folks who over night now fear they will kill them. I know they won't and I'll drive one.
        • 4 Years Ago
        I agree. I owned a 2008 Camry Red/Tan for a long time. No issues.


        I too was looking at owning a IS300. I was about to purchase one but I was too late and someone else already brought that baby : /
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