• Jan 19, 2010
Pickuptrucks.com sat down with Tom Stephens, General Motors' vice chairman of global product operations at the Detroit Auto Show, and during the course of the conversation, Stephens began espousing the virtues of the General's new Duramax diesel, due to be fitted to the 2011 Chevrolet and GMC Heavy Duty pickups.

Obviously, it's not rare for an exec to speak highly of a new engine, but in a rare moment of brand fervor, Stephens issued a challenge:
"You know what I want to do to prove it? I want to take our truck and Ford's [new Super Duty] and chain them together back-to-back. Then I want to have them pull against each other. I know our truck will beat theirs."
After making sure Stephens was serious, the site's intrepid editor, Mike Levine, contacted Ford to see if it was interested in the challenge. He hasn't gotten an official response yet, but he's ready to play referee and set up an event in Texas to pit the two H-D haulers against each other. Consider the gauntlet thrown. Ford? We anxiously await your response...

[Source: Pickuptrucks.com]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      The tug-of-war idea is stupid, but the comments that "oh GM is going to rig this just like they did the CTS Challenge" are even more so.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Hmm, it depends on how much you want to spin it.

        On an absolute basis the CTS-Vs took 1st (Johnny O), 2nd (Heinracy) and 4th (Lutz), IIRC. A guy in an M3 took 3rd (Michael Cooper?), and that driver also implies in his posts that he would have gone faster in a CTS-V (also might not have had his brakes give out on him after 2 hot laps in a CTS-V like they did in his M3). He actually kind of implies he actually did go faster in a CTS-V even with a passenger, just the CTS-Vs he drove had no transponder on it. He also lauded the acceleration, braking and steering feel of the CTS-V.

        It's hard to look at the results and say the CTS-V came out a loser, but some are managing anyway.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yeah, it rather amazing to what level the "haters" will go to diss GM and/or the CTS.

        The CTS-V got the top 2 spots and also 4th, yet they somehow "lost" because it was a GM sponsored event, so they should have let the 3-series or some other competitor win, for some reason? It makes no sense in the slightest bit. So they got a really, really good driver to pilot one of the CTSs... yeah, and? Were they supposed to get Captain Slow instead? And what stopped any other car maker from sending in their own "ringer"?
        • 5 Years Ago
        yea but didnt a M3 win the contest? maybe im wrong but that is what i heard last about that battle. GM is just trying to prove that they are good.
      • 5 Years Ago
      It's daft as hell, but i'd still watch it.

      As it happens, any half decent English rugby team would easily defeat either of these trucks in a tug of war.
      • 5 Years Ago
      What GM forgot to mention is that the Ford will be driven by a stoned monkey and the GM car will be driven by some sort of professional driver.

      Let's make it interesting, get the VP of each company to step in as the driver
      • 5 Years Ago
      will prove how retarded GM is......for some things...
      • 5 Years Ago
      Well...it's a pretty safe bet considering Ford (not Navistar) was the reason the 6.0's were such failures. And seeing as Ford has "designed" the new 6.7 boat anchor diesel....GM will win.
        • 5 Years Ago
        And you know this because your a f'ken scientist. Get over yourself, you aint all that. FORD will hand it to GM and we are going to laugh at your A$$ when your crying like a little Bitch you are.

        I would love to see you in the streets, so I can smack you in the face bitch.
        • 4 Years Ago
        Frank, the fact is GM sells more trucks than Ford. 1/2 ton. 3/4 ton. 1 ton. Even WITH internal competition. You can try to say whatever you want, but the NUMBERS do not lie, GM has better selling trucks. The only thing holding them from that title is their numbers are divided between two companies. If they were to combine the two companies, making the "GMC" a special package, and counted it under Chevrolet, no longer would Ford be awarded that title.

        I love it when retards try to argue against facts. So cute.
        • 5 Years Ago
        A show of hands...how many people are sick of this AH?
      • 5 Years Ago
      The distance from the tow hitch to the ground needs to be equal on both trucks or else the truck with the higher elevated hitch gets an advantage. (If the chain isn't parallel to the ground, the truck with the high hitch gets pulled down for more traction and vice-versa)

      My guess is that there isn't a significant difference, and either way it doesn't prove a lot, although I love seeing expensive stuff that doesn't belong to me get ruined!
      • 5 Years Ago
      I wonder how much Urea will be used during this test?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Tug of wars are worthless. How about a tractor pull instead?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Next thing you know the MORONS @ GM will want to hook up a chain to the Camaro and 5.0L Mustang.

      Poor GM needs attention. This all for publicity which GM aint got $hit.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Was your post supposed to make any sense? I can't seem to find a point, and who asked any questions?
        • 5 Years Ago
        The only thing that spares the GMC and Chevy Trucks from being the ultimate in badge engineering is that their option packages are staggered in their level of content.

        Anything else is minor trim and personal dealer experience & loyalty.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Wrong again Clickerson, GM can never say they have the #1 selling Half Ton in the market.

        Bye the way, F250-F350 dominate both GM/Chryco combine.

        You can count both Chevy/GMC together if that's what makes you sleep at night but in reality when you wake up GM is still #2 in trucks.

        HA! HA!
        • 5 Years Ago
        QQ

        GM would make like they did with the CTS-V and the BMW M3, and race the Camaro and Mustangs... And if I recall, the CTS-V won by a pretty large margin. At least GM has the balls to pit their products against the high rollers, unlike Ford and their worthless commercials and the "best selling truck" routine.

        Fun fact: Combine the sales of the GMC Sierras and the Chevy Silverados throughout all the years, and Ford doesn't have a single "best selling truck" award.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I am not responding this is idiotic question. Bye the way, go check out www.pickuptrucks.com. Please!!!!!!!!!!
        • 5 Years Ago
        Hey clicker.... You truly show your ignorance with a comment like "At least GM has the balls to pit their products against the high rollers, unlike Ford and their worthless commercials and the "best selling truck" routine."

        You obviously have never been to truthabouttrucks.com. Maybe you should pull your head out of your @$$ long enough to 'clicker' on over there.

        As much as you Chevy boys hate to admit it, combining GM and Chevy sales is a pointless argument. They are designed different (however slightly) and there are people that would buy a GMC that would NEVER buy a Chevy and vice-versa.

        Keep trying to come up with excuses and Ford will continue it's 32-straight year reign as number one vehicle....VEHICLE, not truck. VEHICLE.

        Bring the rain.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Brilliant idea! GO FORD!

      I'm sure feds will be sitting in GM's corner.

      I'm guessing the 3500 Ram isn't a contender, to GM?
        • 5 Years Ago
        GM wouldn't compare themselves to the Ram. Since GM sells more, it has everything to lose and very little to gain.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Having a few friends with the 48/68 series transmissions that are still in the shop over and over again, I'd say the problem is quite as fixed as some people would think. The automatic regardless of model. has been one of Chryslers soft spots for a long time.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The transmission in the Ram wouldn't hold up, it would burn out the front pump or solenoid pack too soon...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Dodge isn't the "number 1" seller, so GM doesn't care. GM only goes after the top dogs now.
        • 5 Years Ago
        You referring still to the 46RE transmission that no one seems to remember being replaced many many years ago?!

        The 48RE and 68RFE are just as stout as the the competition. To say otherwise means you know nothing of these transmissions.
        • 5 Years Ago
        haha touche!
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Archion I have to agree with that. I once worked for a used car dealer and many Heavy Duty Rams needed the dealer for warranty repair for their transmission.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I remember back in 2000 a magazine was comparing the Ford Excursion and the Chevrolet Suburban. On the cover page they had the Excursion and the Suburban playing tug of war with all 8 tires smoking the pavement.

      The magazine later published that it was a stalemate due to the tires nearly catching fire.
      • 5 Years Ago
      It could not get more childish than this?
      Except they dare Alan Mulally for a c*ck comparison??
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