• Dec 6, 2009
Is the BBC discriminating against gay couples? As is often the case, that depends on whom you ask. How so? It seems that Top Gear, the Beeb's ridiculously popular car show, has created a rule stipulating that its audience be made up of 50 percent males and 50 percent females, and at least one gay couple was allegedly denied tickets "unless [they] took a couple of female friends."

A BBC spokesperson has responded to the kerfuffle saying, "We do not – absolutely do not – discriminate against same sex couples... the whole implication that Top Gear is in any way homophobic is completely wrong." Ben Summerskill, chief executive of gay rights charity Stonewall, doesn't quite seem to agree: "It's very odd, but what do you expect from pigs that grunt? Regrettably, with Jeremy Clarkson involved, it's not surprising. The show itself is full of stereotyping of both men and women – but it's funded by gay and lesbian license fee cash as well as everyone else's."

The BBC adds that it doesn't even handle the actual ticketing for the show. A company called Applause Store issues the tickets in quantities of two. Says the spokesperson, "We don't ask people to apply as a couple, we ask them to apply as people."

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      • 5 Years Ago
      I love gay guys because that means more women for me. lol
      • 5 Years Ago
      There are a lot of stupid Comments on here. I say who cares. We spend to much in our lives trying not to Offend anyone. Life is unfair. You cant make it fair and if you attempt to make it fair you will make it unfair for someone else. I cant believe people haven't learned this yet. Then again, I'm not surprised because most people are ignorant to history and lack knowledge and understanding.

      • 5 Years Ago
      So much bickering in the comments here.
      matthew
      • 5 Years Ago
      Dude, if you're going to insult gay people by calling us "Nancy's" at least spell it right. That's not a very big word, even for someone of low intellect, like you.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The BBC would never admit they DO ban homosexuals so I fail to see how them saying the don't is newsworthy.
      • 5 Years Ago
      This is not discrimination based on sexual preference, but gender discrimination. That would not fly in the US. BBC is a state-sponsored television show, and therefore they should not be discriminating against men or women by having a quota system, which is exactly what the 50% rule is. If you were a straight male and happened to be the one that went over the 50% mark they wouldn't let you in. That's the essence of discrimination!
        • 5 Years Ago
        Okay captain - put on your thinking cap for a second, suppose each and every time TG would let an X amount of people without counting presence of males or females, don't you think that eventually women would start complaining that it's always men that are mostly present with few women. I GUARANTEE you that if they were to implement "First come first serve" rule then "all for equality" people like yourself would start complaining that "50/50" rule would be fairer.

        People are pathetic, why can't some just go about their life without attacking others.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Really? This sounds more like affirmative action to me, which is definitely present in the USA.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yours is the only spot-on answer.

        What's funny, is for all those saying this isn't discrimination, would they support a quota system? Next thing you know, affirmative action at schools and in businesses is going to get a lot more effective...
        • 5 Years Ago
        I was just thinking, why not first come first serve? That way if you didn't make it to line on time it wouldn't matter if you were a woman, man, straight or gay. It'd be your own damn fault for not getting in line.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I don't think these gay activists (or whatever you want to call them) realize they do more harm to their cause than they do good.
      If you look hard enough you can spin anything to look sexist, racist or homophobic.
      Just makes the individuals involved in this appear to be conspiracy theorists.
      • 5 Years Ago
      starting to run around like PETA crying wolf on every damn thing in the world just to get their name or ideal out there.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Yea, obviously that's discriminatory. Just like how TDSB is trying to hire more women just to hit a 50/50 split.
      If it was all men in the audience (with maybe 1 or 2 women), women's group would still complain.
      matthew
      • 5 Years Ago
      Logically, they ARE mutually exclusive.

      You can't "not know if god exists" and also "be Christian".
        • 5 Years Ago
        @matthew
        Logically you'd look in a dictionary before arguing about definitions.

        Agnostics believe that it is impossible to PROOVE that God exists through science. They do not believe that they "just don't know."

        Hence, you can both believe that God exists, but also that it's not possible to proove it using science.

        Really, go look up "agnostic theist". I'll wait.
        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        @matthew
        Yes there are lots of contradictory people out there. Ever see the Dave Chapelle skit with the "black white supremacist"? Kind of reminds me of that, only Dave Chapelle is funny.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The 50/50 rule was something they knew ahead of time. It would be discrimination against the rest of the audience if the homosexual couple was given an exception because of their orientation. BBC was in the clear here, Clarkson might still be a closet homophobe though.
        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        Sea Urine,

        There are more heterosexuals infected with HIV than gay's. Check your facts. Being homosexual doesn't "cause incurable disease" of any kind.

        My response was to tell someone to go look at a REAL societal issue that's destroying the world.

        Communism is a disease of the same magnitude as religion is too. So thanks for bringing it up for me.

        I don't want special treatment for being homosexual, and I never said I did. I disagree with the advocacy group that's trying to get attention and I love Top Gear.

        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        nastinupe:

        You're absolutely correct, but it's more complicated than that.

        Many psychologists have concluded that everyone is bisexual. In my experience, it's true.

        It's not that anyone is strictly 100% gay or straight so much as society(mindless masses) lumps you into one category or another, based on aesthetic attractions, rather than romantic relationships. Rather, everyone falls somewhere in the middle, even if it's 99.9% one way or the other. There'd be someone out there who'd get you on the "other side".

        The people I referred to looked past societal preconceptions and found true love. Unfortunately, most of them, gave into social pressures and are gone now. That really sucks.

        That's also the source of my animosity: that stupid people will reach out an destroy something good. Something that is 100, by using a collective average of 0's. The 0 people are comfortable never even becoming 1's. They try to destroy anything better than the mediocrity they've settled for.

        Like you said, there probably are a lot of repressed people out there, with desires that hurt no one. They are trapped in a circle of 0 people, wanting to break free of it. I hope they do.

        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        Grand poobah:

        As a homosexual and a Top Gear viewer, and a fan of Narcissus flowers(you don't know the meaning of the word obviously. or its derivation from Greek Myth, or you wouldn't have used it in the context you did) I whole-heartedly tell you to blow it out your ignorant a$$.

        If you want to call something even more common a "mental disorder" look at religion.

        Homosexuality exists in most higher mamals, i.e. primates, big cats, large mamals in general. It's not some societal invention like religions are. Homosexuality won't make people go extinct, on the contrary, it's a great way to keep overpopulation in check.

        So therefore, homosexuality is a natural occurrance, and religion is not. You don't see bulls killing each other over their "beliefs" but they do occasionally shag each other.

        Religious warfare will likely be what causes mass extinctions, and has been the root cause of war since it's invention by man.



        Leave us homosexuals alone to drive our nice cars, wear our expensive Italian clothing(not your hetero Chinese made garbage), and eat at our nice restaurants. LOL There's some stereotyping I can live with.

        And by the way, the hetero-bashing was a joke. I've only ever dated people who consider themselves "straight". Funny how more people are somewhere in the middle than you realize, isn't it? In fact, I've had 4 or 5 straight boyfriends... and 0 gay ones.



        I love Top Gear, and I think their jokes about gays are mostly hilarious. Clarkson pokes fun at his own lack of style, May is always getting made fun of for his eccentricities and Hammond gets made fun of for his vanity "I have not had my teeth done!"

        I always thought James May WAS gay, actually. He likes all the cars I like, acts gayer than me and dresses ten times more flaming than I do... But really, who cares? This is all stupid nosepicking fake news anyway.
        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yaroukh

        Clearly, that part of my post was a joke aimed at Grand Poobah's stupidity.

        Do you comprehend HUMOR?

        LAUGH NOW!
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ grand poobah or whatever you're called:
        are you stupid? 'homophobe' is an incredibly common term which has the connotation of 'a person who doesn't like homosexuals'. and a carcinogen is something that causes CANCER. what the heck are you talking about?
        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        Sea Urchin:

        Was that seriously the best you could come up with?

        The warmth of a mother and the strictness of a father?

        Let's look at the biological/ecological aspect of reproduction:

        Yes, it's necessary to have males and females mating for reproduction. Yes that's necessary to perpetuate the species. However, we're in an ecological crisis. China has 1.6 billion people, India has a billion and they all need to eat and those massively overpopulated countries pollute an enormous amount. The developed world is destroying it just as well as the undeveloped, even though our population is lower, our consumption is higher because we're able to exploit those poor nations.

        There are simply too many people for the planet to support, and the population keeps growing. We need fewer people reproducing, in short. So that argument fails on your part.



        Sociological aspects:

        I happen to be very warm and I'm male. I've known plenty of icy cold women who are terribly neglectful mothers.

        Heterosexuality isn't some kind of automatic qualification for being a parent. Heterosexual sex is just necessary to produce offspring.

        Gender roles have been societally indoctrinated into people, not by instinct, but by culture.

        Having two dads isn't a becoming less and less of a thing to get teased over, unless you live in a really religious little backwoods town.


        Really, none of your arguments are rational. They're simply a parroting of what you've heard growing up. It's terrifying to think that there's a great deal of people who will never think for themselves, and rely on others to think for them, as obviously you do.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Matt

        Eloquent rebuttal but you're wasting your energy on a troll.
        You're lifestyle is your own damn business and anyone who gives you crap about it either can't themselves get laid or has a small penis.

        @Sea Urchin
        You're insecurities amuse me.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ mathew, so the second someone questioned your lifestyle your response is to bash religion? What if the original poster is an atheists, i know i am and i pretty much agree with him.

        The lifestyle is very unfortunate but it is your thing and you can do what you want, but once you start positioning yourself as a privileged member of society you need to be checked.

        Imagine bold guys saying, we deserve a certain % of our people in Universities, in Government and at Top Gear.



        PUHLEASE POLICE


        Also, where do you get off bashing religion on this? Communists in Soviet Union, in todays China, N. Korea also discourage people from engaging in a behavior that causes medical deceases that are incurable and these people are about as nonreligious as they come.


        One more time, get over yourself.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "The lifestyle is very unfortunate but it is your thing and you can do what you want, but once you start positioning yourself as a privileged member of society you need to be checked."

        Sea Urchin, I often find myself in agreement with your posts, but when you refer to someone's private life as "very unfortunate" and equate equal rights with "positioning yourself as a privileged member of society," it's you that needs to check yourself. Who gives a crap what someone does in their own bedroom? It's no one else's business. If you love cars, you belong in a car show's audience. End of story--this from a heterosexual, married man.

        And please, don't pretend that it's not primarily fundamentalist religious groups that advocate the eradication of homosexuals. To state otherwise is to delude yourself. If you disagree, hey, ask Iran how they feel about the gays.

        I do think this particular advocacy group is overreacting in its interpretation of the Top Gear audience-split situation (I think, if anything, it's hetero women that ought to be complaining, as females surely represent less than 50% of the Top Gear audience), but do you really want to argue that homosexuals face no undue social prejudice? The manhood police (whom, I suspect, are those men least secure with their own heterosexuality) are a far greater majority than those few gays that want in on a car show.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Sea Urchin

        The bible also suggest that adultery should be punished by death, and that it is okay to own slaves. Do you follow literal interpretations of the aforementioned too?

        No one is restricting you to live and love within the privacy of your home, so why should you restrict gay people to do just that? What you stated is pure nonsense.

        I have a young brother and a younger sister, and obviously straight parents. I'm the only gay member of my family. Please tell me how my being gay affects anyone other than myself? or better yet please do not, your narrow mind is incapable of coping with life itself.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Matthew

        Did it ever occur to you that the guys that you were dating were actually ghey? *gasps*

        Just because a person claims not to be something doesn't mean that they aren't.

        I mean, you can have a gay person that never does anything gay, but it's just how they feel on the inside. Maybe these guys just haven't come to terms with what they actually are yet.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ PJ

        This guy went on a rant about religion. Sure religious people do not approve of the lifestyle because it is forbidden by most major religions (most Christian denominations, Judaism and Islam), but my opposition is not based on religious basis. I am not a Christian, never been to Church, do not care about any religion. My opposition is secular, i do not see it as a healtly way of living and i do not think that children should be exposed to it on TV. I still think Matt is a cool guy and all, he can do what he wants but again keep this stuff private.

        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Matt

        Our goal as people is to produce the next generation, to have children who are effective members of society. Sure you can adopt or other things but when in your lifestyle you will not be able to provide your child with warmth a mother can provide or strictness a father can. I child simply will not have a normal childhood if everyone teases him about his two dads.

        Also, look the fact that you deny this is bizzare. Certain people make only 10%-12% of the total population and yet for some reason have huge numbers of certain medical issues. Sure you are not a majority, but that is because you make you make only 10%-12%. I can not judge why, but CLEARLY certain people can not control themselves and make it impossible for some to visit a sauna in the gym and such things.


        I hape that was enough, now when it come to choosing a wife, i hear Tigers wife is available, but first swing by NYC so i can take that Lexus off your hands.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Dude Sea Urchin, that is pretty narrow minded to say, how the heck do you know what causes the gay? Homosexuality seems to be innate (born with), at least those who have it claim it to be, should I believe you over someone who is actually gay?

        A lifestyle is to use your life to an self intended end. Therefore it is you who have a lifestyle of hate.
        matthew
        • 5 Years Ago
        Sea Urchin:

        Oh so I'm a cool guy and all as long as I don't expose anyone to my homosexuality, and I live my life in secrecy? So it's not ok for me to sit close to my boyfriend at dinner or hold hands with him in public because some kid might get the idea "to be gay" or something?

        It doesn't work like that. I was attracted to other boys from the time I went to preschool. I was just always that way. I didn't think anything of it, until bigots told me that I was wrong and going to hell. They could offer me no convincing argument not to be gay, however, as I'm sure you won't.

        In fact, if you could convince me to go back on 26 years of my life, I'd give you my Lexus and go find a wife tomorrow. You won't be able to though, not because I'm stubborn or stupid, but because you won't be able to make a convincing case to me with FACTS as to why I shouldn't be gay or why I should even hide the fact that I am.



        To the point. So really, what's your secular(read rational/objective) argument against homosexuality since you don't have a religious one?

        Let's examine the FACTS:

        Many species of high intelligence mammals like big cats and primates(very close to humans indeed) have homosexuality in their populations. Are you saying that these animals are choosing to be gay? Are they unnatural in some way?

        Homosexuality doesn't spread disease as someone posted. Far more heterosexuals are infected with HIV than homosexuals.

        Our species is overpopulating and polluting itself and tons of other species right into extinction. There are far too many human beings for the planet to support, with the lifestyles they live.

        People like me don't contribute to overpopulation. Look at the people who breed uncontrollably, if you want to see an objective detriment to the human species and the environment at large.

        So what's there to my "lifestyle" that you think should be hidden in the closet? What does being homosexual actually harm? PLEASE enlighten me with your great amount of OBJECTIVE FACTUAL EVIDENCE to back your point up!
        • 5 Years Ago
        Clarkson is less likely to be a homophobe and more likely to be heterosexist, I would guess.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @matthew: Funny that you write "leave us homosexuals alone" under article about homosexuals (once again) begging for attention by spamming popular tv-show...
        "Poor you!"
        • 5 Years Ago
        Top gear causes the following

        1) Global warming
        2) Speeding
        3) Reckless driving
        4) Discrimination against women
        5) Discrimination against homosexuals
        6) Discrimination against ugly people
        7) Discrimination against cars made in Pacific Rim
        8) Discriminates against "advances" in hybrid, electric and other "clean" technologies (despite making it clear that way to go in is Hydrogen i.e. Honda Clarity
        9) Anything else that Daily Fail or Labour party will deem to be anti-social behavior.

        • 5 Years Ago
        "the gay?"

        i see what you did there, lol
      • 5 Years Ago
      On the gay thing, frankly I don't see the reason in trying to control other peoples life's. For me it's simple. Gay people can do whatever the hell they want as long as the stay on their side and I will stay on mine. No hate, no banning, just do what you do, but far from me. It's that easy

      If the show is supposed to be 50/50 then case closed. Sorry Gays, it's just the law of the show, bring some chicks along next time
        • 5 Years Ago
        Stay on their side? Are you a sexual-orientation segregationist? As a straight but open-minded person, I would prefer to associate with gay people (and a few of my friends ARE gay) than with a person who hides their intolerance behind statements like yours. So stay on your side, OK?
        • 5 Years Ago
        No offense DB9, but at first I thought that both you and richard were the same person because of the car's color lol. I know that has nothing to do with the article. Anyways, my point of view is about the same as yours. I don't mean to hate them but as long as they mind their own business I'm ok with that.
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