• Nov 25th 2009 at 4:25PM
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General Motors shouldn't expect to achieve David Hasselhoff-level popularity in Germany anytime soon. The Detroit News reports that since GM has elected to keep and restructure its Opel division, 9,000 jobs (or somewhere thereabouts) will likely be cut, with the majority of those losses expected in Deutschland. The jobs will be eliminated as part of a $5 billion restructuring plan, which GM hopes to fund with a lot of help from European governments, as well as "employee contributions" (read: concessions). Just don't expect Angela Merkel to break out her Visa debit card anytime soon.

Opel/Vauxhall CEO Nick Reilly wins the Unintentionally Hilarious Quote of the Day award for this line: "We have also said that GM can and will put some money in, as well." What a novel concept. Digressing for a moment: Given that GM is out shaking the coffee can looking for ways to fund the Opel restructuring, it's hard to imagine a scenario where they find a way to save Saab, too. Getting the Opel business in order hardly sounds like it's going to be a picnic, so a rescue of the ailing Swedish automaker has got to be low on the priority list right now.

[Source: The Detroit News | Image Source: Thomas Lohnes/Getty]

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      You stupid libs are really special. Poor George...he screwed up everything, and Al Gore, John Kerry and your supreme majesty Obama are such geniuses! I liked George Bush, didn't always agree with him, but liked him. He delt with some damn serious times. It's clear, from your comments and those of whom you worship, the results would have been disasterous had you "can't we just talk to them and see what makes them angry" crowd been in charge! Funny how when things go south on your watch, you always seem to have a Republican you can blame, even when you control D.C. outright.

      There is nothing our current President is doing that remotely suggests he is of "of the people". You are truly delusional! This guy is dyed in the wool, good ol' boy Chicago politics. It would be hilarious, if it wasn't so sad, that you people actually think you voted for change.

      The amount spent on the defense and security of this nation is miniscule compared to the gianormous amounts spend on the social experiment starting in the mid sixties. It has accomplished NOTHING!!!!!!!

      You folks love to claim you care about the casualties, then as soon as it suites you, you'll except anyone coming down the pike claiming atrocities or anything negative. Most of which have turned out to be untrue. Of course, you never bother to check first in your enthusiasm to report and spread it around. I wonder why that is?
        • 5 Years Ago
        your assinine comments prove the points of those you argue against. Try reading.

        The country is in the state it is because people like you. Instead of discussing an issue with reason and facts you resort to school ground name calling. The reason being the facts tell a different story. You can't place all the blame on Bush but things went south, GM and Chrysler were in trouble, people were loosing there jobs and the banks were collapsing BEFORE Obama took office. Not opinion, FACT.

        The two Wars Bush started, were and still are costing this country billions of dollar a year, money that would pay for health care many times over. And more importantly they are costing the lives and health of the men and women that serve. FACT not opinion.

        TARP was put in place to rescue the banks but the Bush administration, FACT not opinion.

        And finally "Of course, you never bother to check first in your enthusiasm to report and spread it around." That would be the GOP, the party of FUD, and obviously your party.

        Try and do some real research, not at Foxnews.com or the any of the other I Love THE GOP.com sites or at any liberal based site for that matter but at those few independent sites that are still out there with unbiased reporting of the facts . Then come back and perhaps you could contribute to an adult conversation.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I respect your opinion, although I strongly disagree along with the vast majority of your fellow vets. The vast majority of accusations of atrocities have been proven false, period. Some were from the terrorists themselves. Some were from individuals who weren't even there. Some weren't even in the military at all. Yet the very people you're defending never bothered to check them out before so enthusiastically plastering them everywhere, compliments of the media. These actions are an abomination to those who have served. Please tell me you don't believe or support them. That would be sad and you should be ashamed.

        10 yrs. prior to Katrina, New Orleans received $250 million for sea wall improvement and improving the drainage sysem. It was heralded in the local paper, so don't say I have my facts wrong. Since then up until the disaster, they received another $200+million. Other than buying a private plane and building a casino, they did NOTHING!!!! A casino would have been a good revenue earner for future projects but since they did NOTHING, that doesn't exactly fly now does it?

        Of course we've all seen the parking lot full of flooded buses Mayor Nagan could have mobilized to evacuate poor folks. A fifteen yr. old boy showed more intiative than the Mayor!! George Bush called the Governor 24+hrs. prior to landfall seeking authorization for federal assistance. He was told she would THINK ABOUT IT!!!!! Yet another "blame George" propoganda attempt left on the ash heap of liberal scapegoatism.

        Let's assume for arguement's sake that Afghanistan/Iraq has been a utter failure as you and Pug suggest. It may be old fashioned, but where I come from, those who critcize presumably have a better idea. So, let's hear it!

        How would you handle religious zealots:

        Who believe it's their divine duty to convert you or kill you?
        Who think they're going somewhere special if they strap a bomb to their chest and take you out in the process?

        Please don't say "let's open a dialogue". It's so unbelievably naive.

        • 5 Years Ago
        Bus Rand, I am a Navy veteran, I live near a VA hospital in NJ, and spend some time there. It is all very real. The IRAQ war was the most ASSININE blunder of the Bush presidency, and he made some doosies. Katrina is a distant second.

        This will go down in history as the most expensive personal vendetta EVER.

        Here is the deal on atrocities, human rights etc. The US of A cannot call anyone out on these issues if the US is also guilty of them. So, do as you please, but SHUT UP about Cuba , Venezuela, Iran, Myanmar, etc. You have NO moral ground to stand on.
        • 5 Years Ago
        My assinine comments.......ironic that you disagree with Bush's mortgage bailout (compliments of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd) and TARP, none of which I agreed with (hence the "didn't always agree with him"). Yet Obama has continued on with these policies with a multiplied enthusiasm (to the tune of $1+ trillion) and no dissention from you? Didn't Obama OK the main bailout for GM and Chrysler? Then again, I don't have my FACTS straight.

        The FACTS are what they are. You can throw your little temper tantrum all you want. Yes, Pug, we have spend an astronomical amount of money on social programs compared to national defense.

      • 5 Years Ago
      I can't blame you (to a reasonable extent) worrying more about your own country over Germany. However, on one hand you say you're sad for the Germans, yet a bright spot (according to you) is that the majority of cuts will be in Germany. How neighbourly of you, it's a good thing the U.S. didn't take that point of view when sending your country tons and tons of supplies long before our entry into WWII. Something you should think about when considering your rant about the war on terror. I personally feel bad for the Germans losing their jobs regardless whether or not it effects me personally.

      GM management is responsible for this consequence. They should have stood up to the union long ago. There was a time in the U.S. when unions were a necessary protection for the worker, but it went horribly wrong. If more folks had more compassion for the common man during the depression, there's a chance none of this would be happening. The unions wouldn't have gained so much power, that's for sure. Although it's not all the union's doing. GM and Chrysler lost it's way (and identity) long ago by way of the glorified golden bean counter. There has been some glimmering hope time to time. Let's hope it continues. Of course government's obsession with over regulation (for the sake of increased taxation) has been no small part.

      If this doesn't prove that there's no such thing as "isolationism", I don't know what would.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Nothing surprising there..... initial estimates were always around 10k jobs...this was needed i guess...

      • 5 Years Ago
      I knew that this would happen. Some people said GM would spread the cuttings over whole europe. And the problem is that this are only the numbers for Opel. Noone can ll me that they won't do similar things to Vauxhall.

      It seems like I have to accept that the germans were right when they said their "oh my god, GM will kill Opel" thing. My fear is that GM confuses "restructuring" with "destruction".
        • 5 Years Ago
        If I remember right, Opel and Vauxhall have been combined into one legal entity by the name of "Adam Opel GmbH"... so it's possible by referring to "9,000 Opel jobs" that includes the "Vauxhall" plants owned by the Opel entity.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Of course they're gonna keep the engineers, because they came up with all the good ideas for mother GM. German intelligence - yes please; german craftsmanship - thanks, but no thanks.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Lastly without model sharing, between Opel, Vauxhall and Buick nee Saturn, GM may not even be able to a business case for keeping Opel.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Except for the Volt those are pretty uneconomical cars with no chance outside the US. And you know what? Chiefengineer of the Volt was a German called Frank Weber.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "All the Good Ideas"?

        Thanks to German engineering for the ZR1, CTS, CTS-V, Enclave, Lacrosse, Traverse, SRX, Holden, Escalade, Silverado, Volt, Acadia, Cruze, Malibu, Park Avenue, VX-R, Camaro.

        Opel contributes less than 6 models to GM's corporate portfolio.

        GM is a global company that INCLUDES Opel. Opel has excellent products, but Opel is ONLY a division of GM, and not even close to being it's most profitable branch.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Thanks for the post and for sharing the news related to GM jobs elimination.
      • 5 Years Ago
      GREEN SHOOTS! Better than expected! [/irony] Poorly run companies like GM should have been allowed to fail and give way to well run enterprises.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Had that happen, we would still be in a recession, and they will take toyota and honda with them.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I couldn't agree more. GM should have filed bankruptcy, opened the doors with new management (you know, car people?) and started with a clean slate on labor (no more unrealistic union strangle holds). Of course government getting involved is always a good thing (i.e. the great success social security/ripoff has been). What was Obama's idea? Close down dealerships. That way there can be less convenience, less competition (higher prices) and less choices in any given area. Hmmm, isn't that called socialism?

        Well, anyway......Happy Thanksgiving Everybody.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I wish that same logic was applied to the banks and mortgage companies.... :(
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      ...only 9000?
      • 5 Years Ago
      I bet Germans are now regretting refusing a buy out from Fiat...........
      The lay offs planned were far less than 9000.

      Good luck to GM getting financial help from the Germans, Opel CEO looks slightly deluded in my opinion.
      He doesn't realise he pissed off Mrs Merkel big time, I am not sure they gonna get the same financial help the German government promised to Magna.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Judy Zik: Misplaced logic. Saturn was not a viable business, it was just mostly competing with other GM models. There really was no point to keeping Saturn.

        Opel, will be fine, the car market has shrunk, jobs Will be lost. Since Opel, Vauxhall & now Buick are sharing models, keeping them makes good business sense.

        SAAB was dead when GM bought them. Let them go.

        To the idiots that say its badge engineering, I say you're stupid. Opel, Vauxhall and Buick are in five different markets. Opel in Europe proper, Vauxhall in England & the British Caribbean, Buick in US and China. Bad badge engineering that GM practiced in the past was taking one car, and making models for each of six divisions, all to be sold in the same market.

        • 5 Years Ago
        +1 GM has managed to bungle the sales of three seperate assets (Saturn, Saab & Opel). Unfortunately for them the "just kidding" turnaround on the sale at Opel doesn't have the German government laughing. Not to mention the Russians or one of their key suppliers (Magna). The Opel turnaround is going to be a messy deal that is going to cost GM what little political capital they have left in Europe.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Goodbye Saab... sob...sob.

      Do they plan to keep most of the engineers at Opel?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Ach du Freakin' Lieber Himmel
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