• Nov 4, 2009
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Although the Porsche Boxster and Cayman are built right next door in Finland, in neighboring Norway, the sportscars are subject to heavy tariffs due to their relatively high engine output. But according to reports from inside the Scandinavian country, the local importer has found a solution that apparently manages to bring down the price without consequence.

The Norwegian specifications for the entry-level Porsches show that the Boxster produces just 211 horsepower – a significant drop from its 255hp stock spec – while the Cayman is down to the same from 265. The benefit is that by coming in under the cap, the Porsches receive significant tax cuts: the 211hp Boxster saves the equivalent of over $15k, while the 211hp Cayman saves nearly $19k. You'd have to figure that these horsepower cuts, while financially advantageous, would have a negative effect on the cars' performance, but according to the chart, acceleration figures and top speeds remain the same: 0-100 km/h in 5.9 seconds for the Boxster and 5.8 for the Cayman, topping out at 263 and 265 km/h respectively.

Assuming the numbers don't lie, clearly something is rotten in the state of Norway.



[Source: BilNorge.no via WCF]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      Or just add a restricter plate on the air intake. Top-end horsepower goes down because of the need for more air, low end torque stays the same because its still getting all the air it needs. Ask any WRC car with 300hp and 500lb*ft of torque.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Nice Hamlet reference in the last line of the article.
      • 5 Years Ago
      $19,000 for 54hp?!? Sheesh, that's steep!
      Perhaps they just temporarily detune them, then give their appreciative (and $19k richer) customers instructions on how to re-tune them to spec.
      • 5 Years Ago
      All cars in Norway are subject to heavy taxes!

      The reasoning being that we need to keep consumption low, for it's own sake, and more recently for the benefit of the "environment" (green taxes).

      Norway is very wealthy, has no debt and the economy is still in good shape. So the taxes are NOT needed to finance the national budget!

      Because of the taxes even a normal car costs more than $40.000-50.000. You cannot get a car for less than $27.000, not even a small hatchback.

      Well, at least our salaries are good. And we do have Universal healthcare :)
        • 5 Years Ago
        Powerful vehicles are vanity/luxury goods , bought by people who have a lot of money and who can afford to pay those taxes, maybe a guy with a diesel pick-up truck is polluting as much as they guy with a sportscar, but he bought his truck because he needs it, while no one really needs a sportscar.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @James Sonne

        Actually most European countries already tax on the basis of emissions...
        http://www.acea.be/index.php/news/news_detail/co2_tax_on_cars_widespread_in_west_european_member_states

        Almost all West-European countries now levy some form of CO2 tax on passenger cars. According to a survey done by ACEA, the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association.
      • 5 Years Ago
      @sparrk.

      I am sorry that you have been subjected to tyranny. I don't want that for anyone.

      But then YOU should be more of a "hawk" against tyranny than I am, not promoting the mild control of socialism. I know freedom, and I won't stand by as it is lost, and unfortunately it is being lost at a rapid rate here.

      Socialism and Communism are not the same thing, but they are both antithetical in their own ways to freedom, and liberty. The freedom and liberty to make one's own way, as you mentioned, meritocracy.

      Even if Norway, and other european style socialist experiments appear to work... they still subjugate their people, and 20th century history, as well as thousands of years of history before that, including feudalism, should show europeans why that doesn't work. Beneficial subjugation can be easily supplanted by tyranny, with little recourse to the people being ruled.

      Subjects and dependents of the government don't retain freedom when the government becomes corrupt, even if it starts out with good intentions.

      The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
        • 5 Years Ago
        the thing is , in no country people are really free. you still have to do what the authorities say. democracy is just a concept , it doesn't really exist , even if you have the right to vote and you elect a leader , they still run the place they way they want.

        about socialism , some people like the advantages it provides , safe work places , social security, free healthcare, free education, good infrastructure, good public transport , etc. there is even the Christian thing with helping your fellow citizen. some like it this way , it's their way of life. and to be realistic , total freedom would mean anarchy and no one wants that either.

        i wouldn't want to live in the "free" US where people were drafted to go and fight in Vietnam and a guy like Bush does what he wants, corporations rule the country and bio food is expensive and considered snobbish. so what if the Norwegians , Dutch , Sweeds , etc pay more taxes ? they get the benefits and they are happy ...and that's all that counts.
        • 5 Years Ago
        i forgot to mention , when i was in college i worked for the US Army in Germany and many US soldiers want to remain in Germany because of those socialist reasons i mentioned.
        • 5 Years Ago
        You are confusing "free services" which aren't FREE, (an economic construct of paying money or not paying money for a good or service)
        With political FREEDOM of people to do as they choose, which is separate, although connected via manipulation.

        In your "free" healthcare, do you have an option not to pay taxes, but instead to save that money, and pay the medical provider of your choice, if that provider is a better source?

        I doubt it. The US is trying to go down that road right now, and they are using european precedent to do it, yet the US leads the world in medical research and development, doesn't ration care, and 80% of the people are very satisfied with the health care coverage they have, and nobody is turned away from an emergency room, and they don't have to wait HOURS, to get in to an emergency room, as news reports from Great Britain have illustrated that they DO.

        In your "free" education, do you have an option, WITHIN YOUR OWN COUNTRY, to no pay taxes, but rather pay directly for the education that you choose, and that you feel meets your requirements best? Again, I doubt it.

        Are there prominent private educational institutions that are free of state influence via funding? In the US, there are thousands of private schools and private colleges and universities to CHOOSE from. The choice is the freedom, not the bill that comes due.

        FREEDOM IS BEING ABLE TO CHOOSE. As far as I can tell you haven't said anything about being able to CHOOSE anything. You speak of being provided with things, whether you like them, or not, whether you utilize them or not.

        You seem to think freedom is freedom *FROM* things. Freedom from having to do without something you might want, in most instances.

        I say, as the founders of this country ALSO said, that FREEDOM is the freedom and responsibility to choose for yourself what you do and do not want, and to pay for that directly, by one's own responsible earning power. The freedom *OF CHOICE*. Funny how everyone thinks that is great when it comes to killing living things, but nobody remembers it for the rest of the people who just want to live their lives freely.

        You say I am indoctrinated? EXACTLY WHAT US LEADER ESPOUSES WHAT I DO? I have searched for a long time. John McCain doesn't. John McCain was barely different than Obama anyway, when it came to domestic policy. G.W. Bush sure as hell did not, and I lambasted his spending policies and growth of government, as well.

        How can I be indoctrinated, when my point of view is MY OWN REASONING, and is the LEAST POPULAR VIEWPOINT IN POLITICS????? Indoctrination seeks to imbue the popular, politically correct viewpoint on everyone. Indoctrination stamps out the politically incorrect, it doesn't create politically incorrect viewpoints. I am about as politically incorrect as possible about these issues.

        I hold the LEAST popular view. Republicans have been SHUNNING my kind of conservatism for years now, and running "moderates" who are barely different from liberal democrats, and social engineering proponents. McCain was one of them.

        I don't think the word indoctrination means what you think it means. What I say is no longer taught in our schools. What I say is no longer taken seriously in our government. What I say was said by Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, George Washington, Ben Franklin, and Thomas Paine, and I will stick with those titans of Freedom and Liberty against all onerous government control beyond the bounds of the US Constitution. If I lived somewhere else, I would be calling for the adoption of a copy of the US constitution as the law of whatever other land, as well.

        Believe me, I know what I am saying, and I know the implications. And I know which side of the issue of government control of lawful citizens I am on.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ BoxerFanatic , you only state your republican dogma without having seen with your own eyes how other countries work. you can defend your way of life, every person has that right.

        the simple fact is that that what conservatives call "freedom" exists in all civilized countries and in Europe there are more "freedoms" than in the US. you say free education ad free heathcare have brought countries to bankruptcy and let the children down, please give a European example of such a case. that's just propaganda , you are more indoctrinated than what the communists tried to do with us. at least we knew the communist regime was lying and the only thing they couldn't control was our minds , so we freed and opened our minds, we took advantage of our free education and educated ourselves and our children , we learned to think for ourselves and not let propaganda fool us. in the US many people choose ignorance, they close their minds and blindly follow their leader's dogma.

      • 5 Years Ago
      There's a way that you can get the same performance out of a detuned engine.

      Lie and say you detuned it.

      Are the Norwegian officials actually dynoing the cars?
        • 5 Years Ago
        only thing rotten in Norway is the ludefisk.
        Betch the new supercharged audi S4 is only rated at 211 hp in Norway too...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Didn't we do the same thing with muscle cars? And the did it in japan too with the GTR and some others.
        • 5 Years Ago
        This isn't the first time engines have been under-rated because of politics. Especially if your having to shell out an economy car worth of cash just on extra taxes/tariffs.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Norwegians found a way or a reason to give Nobel Peace Prize to Obama; I'm sure they can find a way to import high output cars without paying 15K in taxes!

      /sarcasmish
      • 5 Years Ago
      which shows why government intrusion just causes problems, and doesn't really solve them.

      Taxing "extra" horsepower is just damn greedy, no matter what altruistic, beneficial talking points spin they want to put on it.

      Don't most european countries already have VAT, and other high taxes on things? More taxes on top of that, I guess.

      I don't condone cheating, but sometimes like this... I wonder why not. And if this is skirting by legally, I have no problem with that. I hope it sells more Porsches.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Tell it like it is BoxerFanatic! This is just poor legislation.
        • 5 Years Ago
        That same line of reasoning could be used to argue that driving Porsches is greedy as well, just saying.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @BoxerFanatic , to clear things up , i come from an ex communist country , i know tyranny, i have felt it on my own skin and what you have in the US isn't far from it. it's a different type of propaganda, but the effect is the same , maybe even worse.

        i do believe in meritocracy , i own a 911 , i'm doing quite well and i'm not a socialist, (btw communism wasn't real socialism) , but there are places where forms of socialism work , like Norway for example. i don't mind paying taxes as long as i see the palpable benefits and you can see them in countries like Norway.

        if you whine so much about car taxes , you should see the prices they have on alcohol there :)
        • 5 Years Ago
        "which shows why government intrusion just causes problems, and doesn't really solve them." - that's stupid. not all governments are like the US government, some really work. Norway has one the highest living standards in the world and they get payed really well , those taxes don't hurt the people and their government makes good use out of that money.
      • 5 Years Ago
      @dimbulb and Sparkk: I will agree that in theory every form of gov't is perfect. In practice none are. I have no qualms with Socialism, Marxism, or any other -ism or -ocracy. But what I love about our democracy here in the US is that it (again, in theory) makes higher allowances for the ppl. If a democracy/meritocracy fails, its ppl failed. If Socialism fails, gov't failed.

      That is why I say I love America but hate Americans. I want a free market. I want democracy, but I don't believe 95% of the ppl that share it with me want it or deserve it, too. The thing is, I can't go anywhere else and get this. If you want free or cheap healthcare, uh, we have a neighbor to the North that can handle that. RELOCATE.

      There are 100s of gov'ts all over the world that will "take care of you", but America is the only place that allows you to truly take care of yourself, and we are getting further from that every day. The problems of Boxer and myself are not with any other country, they are with the last place on Earth trying to emulate those countries. There is nowhere we CAN go to get what America has promised us.

      Forgive us. We don't mean to condescend other countries and what route they pursue in tending their needs. I wish good luck to all, but in a country who's biggest reason for existence in the first place is burdensome taxes, we shouldn't be trending back to it.

      I have to agree with everything Boxer's saying. Not for the sake of degrading any other gov't, but for the sake of America being the America it was founded to be.
      • 5 Years Ago
      @lush dimbulb,

      It is incredibly apt that your name is dimbulb.

      I am a conservative. Most republicans hate conservatives stirring the pot, talking about FREEDOM the way I do.

      And you are the hypocrite if you ever claim that you are a free man, while adocating high taxes and government controls of wide-spread social programs. I am no hypocrite. I examine my own views every single time I confront one of you progressive emotionalists. I know exactly what I believe, and it is based on years of evaluation and reason, not ad hominem attacks, emotionalism, and Keith Olberman talking points, like some.

      How dare you call me a fool, when you spout what you do. If you don't think taxes are forcefully taken, then try not paying them. Say hello to the law enforcement officers that take you to jail when you continue to withhold your taxes from the government.

      I have already said that infrastructure, such as ROADS, and emergency services are a valid use. Try reading for a change. That amounts to less than 25% of what the various levels of government are spending. The other 75% is bullcrap social entitlement programs.

      I WORKED AND PAID for my college education, as did my father before me.
      My family ARE the police, firefighters, EMTS, Nurse, and military personnel. TRY AGAIN.
      I PAY for my medications, and my insurance coverage. I PAY for everything I use, AND I pay for taxes that go to buy other people their stuff. How is that at all fair?

      Government doesn't belong in the business of providing those things, moron. GET A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND READ IT.

      Private enterprise has built those industries, and people PAY for those things, and businesses offer them BETTER, and MORE EFFICIENTLY than government EVER COULD.

      PRIVATE ENTERPRISE AND FREE MARKETS HAVE BUILT THIS BEACON OF FREEDOM AND WORLD SUPERPOWER. Government has ridden the wave of success, not created it. LEARN HISTORY.

      TAXING people out of their income will only grind that first world economy to a halt. This is such idiocy, I can barely contain my language about how poorly reasoned your points are.

      I don't shelter from taxes, I PAY TAXES. I have done the math, and it takes almost 54% out of my yearly income to pay all the taxes that come my way, from every intrusion of government into my life.

      At the rate the US government is spending, our grandchildren's children will be paying for what is being spent right now. How is that supposed to lead to anything but destruction?

      CAN YOU DEFICIT SPEND LIKE THAT? I SURE AS HELL CANNOT. I have to scrimp and save to STAY OUT OF DEBT. Are you out of debt, or are you being bailed out by the government, through social programs? Am I paying your way, too?
      

      And before you pull out your favorite race card, I was calling this trend of increasing government control SOCIALIST before Obama even RAN for president. GW Bush, and his father before him, and Clinton, and Carter, and most other US presidents have RAISED taxes and/or spending, FAR BEYOND what the Constitution, and the tenth amendment allows them to.

      Prescription Drugs, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Community Reinvestment Act, Fannie, Freddie, The Great Society, NEA, ALL OF IT is expansion of the government. ALL things that are better left for the free market, and people to handle between and amongst themselves.

      IF you have been reading my posts for any amount of time, you would know I don't trust a politician of any party, and I don't consider "R"s to be any different than "D"s, and almost all of them are as completely idiotic, and ill-reasoned as you are. I try to keep my discourse civil, but people like you make it a real challenge.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Sparrk, I agree with you in theory. Though, our constitution, like BF stated, has rules for the leaders, too, and a means to oust them without resorting to anarchy. No, we don't get to do as we individually please, but we do get to do what we collectively agree we should be able. Is that "true freedom"? Is there such a thing? In the end, we all have free will, and that's all you can ask.

      BF, I agree with what you are saying. I don't deny that I am a conservative. Call me what names you choose, we have names for you, too. That's all part of the game, right? But really, I won't jump on the "THIS IS SOCIALISM" bandwagon, but we do have socialist tendencies that are nothing new, that I am not a fan of. I hate tax brackets. "But the rich can afford more" you say. Yes, but their expenses are higher. "Well they choose that lifestyle". But it's not just about that. Ppl are out to exploit ppl with money. A certain amount of security is required that isn't for me. That's not tax deductible. That's not fair.

      Don't think I'm speaking from my high horse. I'm not wealthy. I make an honest living. I'm a single dad of two and I have a SMALL savings. I enjoy what I can, but it's modest.

      I love America, but I hate Americans. I work at a Union factory, but I hate Unions. Like BF said, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". These are things that were created for good reasons, but Americans are notorious for taking advantage of and exploiting anything they can. So then you resort to "give them an inch and they'll take a yard". I stay stop giving and let them earn their inches, like I earn mine. I've never filed for unemployment tho I've been unemployed and "it's my right", but I don't believe that my situation is the duty of the gov't, so I've lived off of savings (which is my RESPONSIBILITY to do and maintain). Americans are quick to ignore their responsibilities and then demand their rights.

      I hate the hypocrisy of those that are tea-partying for their rights to medicare.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Americans are quick to ignore their responsibilities and then demand their rights. " that's absolutely right.

        i'm not a socialist , i was playing devil's advocate and try to explain the theory behind high taxes and a responsible government. in practice things aren't perfect , but no human form of government is. arguing about politics is as old as civilization itself and it will never stop.
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