Ford posts $1 billion in profit, surprisingly good third quarter report

Surprising news comes courtesy of Ford this morning in the form of an unexpectedly good third quarter report. The Blue Oval posted $997 million in positive net income over the third quarter, which represents its first operating profit in over a year. Even better news is that Ford's success was driven in part by actual product sales, with market share increasing in North America, South America and Europe.
Ford finished the third quarter with $23.8 billion in Automotive gross cash, which is $2.8 billion better than how it finished the previous quarter. Ford Credit, the financial arm of the automaker's operations, also posted relatively good numbers in the third quarter of 2009 with an after-tax profit of $427 million. Though Ford is selling fewer vehicles overall from the heyday of the early 2000s, its off-lease models aren't depreciating as rapidly as before and are selling for higher transaction prices at auction.
While making nearly a billion dollars in the third quarter of 2009 is welcome news, the automaker still has a tough road ahead in the coming years. In recognition of this fact, Ford isn't predicting solid profitability and consistently positive operating cash flow until 2011. For all the mind-numbing details, hit the jump for the full press release from Ford.
[Source: Ford]
PRESS RELEASE
FORD POSTS THIRD QUARTER 2009 NET INCOME OF $1 BILLION; CASH FLOW TURNS POSITIVE; NORTH AMERICA PROFITABLE+
- Reported net income of $997 million, or 29 cents per share, an improvement of $1.2 billion from the third quarter of 2008. Pre-tax operating profit totaled $1.1 billion, an improvement of $3.9 billion from a year ago. It is Ford's first pre-tax operating profit since the first quarter of 2008
- Ford North America posted a pre-tax operating profit of $357 million, its first profitable quarter since the first quarter of 2005
- Reduced Automotive structural costs by $1 billion, bringing the total reduction to $4.6 billion through the first nine months of 2009, and exceeding the full-year target of $4 billion
- A strong product lineup drove market share gains in North America, South America and Europe as well as continued improvements in transaction prices and margins
- Ended the quarter with $23.8 billion of Automotive gross cash, up $2.8 billion from the end of second quarter 2009++
- Achieved positive Automotive operating-related cash flow of $1.3 billion for the third quarter, a $2.3 billion improvement over the second quarter
- Ford Credit reported a pre-tax operating profit of $677 million, a $516 million improvement from a year ago
- Ford now expects to be solidly profitable in 2011, excluding special items, with positive operating-related cash flow
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Financial Results Summary |
Third Quarter |
First Nine Months |
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2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
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Wholesales (000)+ |
1,232 |
57 |
3,377 |
(891) |
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Revenue (Bils.) + |
$ 30.9 |
$ (0.8) |
$ 82.9 |
$ (26.2) |
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Operating Results + |
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Automotive Results (Mils.) |
$ 446 |
$ 3,385 |
$ (2,493) |
$ 523 |
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Financial Services (Mils.) |
661 |
502 |
1,194 |
1,305 |
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Pre-Tax Results (Mils.) |
$ 1,107 |
$ 3,887 |
$ (1,299) |
$ 1,828 |
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After-Tax Results (Mils.)+++ |
$ 873 |
$ 3,882 |
$ (1,557) |
$ 2,381 |
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Earnings Per Share +++ |
$ 0.26 |
$ 1.58 |
$ (0.54) |
$ 1.22 |
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Special Items Pre-Tax (Mils.) |
$ 108 |
$ (2,099) |
$ 3,265 |
$ 9,484 |
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Net Income/(Loss) Attributable to Ford |
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After-Tax Results (Mils.) |
$ 997 |
$ 1,158 |
$ 1,831 |
$ 10,619 |
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Earnings Per Share |
$ 0.29 |
$ 0.36 |
$ 0.61 |
$ 4.55 |
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Automotive Gross Cash (Bils.) ++ |
$ 23.8 |
$ 4.9 |
$ 23.8 |
$ 4.9 |
DEARBORN, Mich., Nov. 2, 2009 – Ford Motor Company [NYSE: F] today reported net income of $997 million, or 29 cents per share, in the third quarter as strong new products, structural cost reductions and improved results at Ford Credit lifted the company's results despite continued weak global economic conditions. This is a $1.2 billion improvement compared with the same period last year.
Excluding special items, Ford posted pre-tax operating profits totaling $1.1 billion, an improvement of $3.9 billion from a year ago. This marks the company's first operating profit since the first quarter of 2008. On an after-tax basis, excluding special items, Ford posted an operating profit of $873 million in the third quarter, or 26 cents per share, compared with a loss of $3 billion, or $1.32 per share, a year ago.
Ford's North American operations posted a pre-tax operating profit of $357 million, its first quarterly profit since the first quarter of 2005. Ford South America, Ford Europe and Ford Asia Pacific Africa also posted pre-tax operating profits in the third quarter.
"Our third quarter results clearly show that Ford is making tremendous progress despite the prolonged slump in the global economy," said Ford President and CEO Alan Mulally. "Our solid product lineup is leading the way in all markets. While we still face a challenging road ahead, our One Ford transformation plan is working and our underlying business continues to grow stronger."
Ford's third quarter revenue was $30.9 billion, down $800 million from the same period a year ago. Automotive revenue is up $100 million from a year ago. This improvement was offset by a decrease in Ford Credit's revenue reflecting a decline in receivables.
Ford reduced its Automotive structural costs by $1 billion in the quarter, largely driven by lower manufacturing and engineering costs, which included benefits from improved productivity, personnel reduction actions primarily in North America and Europe, and progress on implementing its common global platforms and product development processes. Through the first nine months, Ford has achieved $4.6 billion in Automotive structural cost reductions, exceeding its full-year 2009 target of $4 billion.
Ford finished the third quarter with $23.8 billion in Automotive gross cash, compared with $21 billion at the end of the second quarter of 2009. Automotive operating-related cash flow was $1.3 billion positive during the third quarter of 2009, an improvement of $2.3 billion from the second quarter 2009. Automotive operating-related cash flow was $3.4 billion negative during the first nine months.
"The Ford team delivered another solid quarter of results with strong contributions from all our business regions," said Lewis Booth, Ford executive vice president and chief financial officer. "Positive cash flow, a stronger balance sheet and a third quarter operating profit are evidence that Ford is meeting the global economic challenges."
The following discussion of third quarter highlights and results are on a pre-tax basis and exclude special items. See tables following "Safe Harbor/Risk Factors" for the nature and amount of these special items and any necessary reconciliation to U.S. GAAP. Discussion of Automotive overall operating cost changes is at constant volume, mix, and exchange, and excludes special items; discussion of Automotive structural cost changes is at constant exchange and excludes special items.
THIRD QUARTER HIGHLIGHTS
- Ford again increased year-over-year market share in North America, South America, and Europe and continued to achieve improvements in transaction prices and margins. Ford maintained market share in the Asia Pacific Africa region and Volvo gained market share. Other sales highlights:
- In the U.S., third quarter market share increased 2.2 percentage points compared to last year as the Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brands all posted sales gains
- Ford Europe's market share was 9.2 percent for the quarter, up 0.6 points from last year and the highest third-quarter level in 10 years. Market share was 10.1 percent in September, the highest monthly share in eight years
- Record growth in China continued as Ford third quarter sales jumped 63 percent
- At the end of the third quarter, worldwide sales of the new Ford Fiesta reached 470,000 units since its launch last fall. The No. 2 best-selling car in Europe posted its highest September sales since 1994. In September, Fiesta also had its best sales month ever in China. Fiesta arrives in the U.S. market in 2010
- Began selling the new Ford Taurus and Transit Connect in North America. Taurus sales in September were up 60 percent from a year ago
- The Ford Focus and Ford Escape were among the top new vehicles purchased in the U.S. government's "Cash for Clunkers" program
- Ford's U.S. hybrid sales have risen 73 percent this year compared to a 14 percent decline in U.S. hybrid industry sales. More than 60 percent of Ford Fusion hybrid sales have come from non-Ford owners
- Began production of the Ford Transit Connect small commercial van at the new manufacturing plant in Craiova, Romania
- Announced investment of $500 million at Ford India's Chennai assembly plant to build the new Ford Figo, a small car targeted at the heart of the Indian market, debuting in 2010
- Announced a new $490 million assembly plant in Chongqing, China, which will be completed by 2012, and will produce the Ford Focus for the Chinese market
- Ford, Lincoln and Mercury brand vehicles in the U.S. had the fewest number of "things gone wrong" among all automakers, according to the third quarter GQRS study of new vehicle quality
- Received $886 million in loans from the U.S. Department of Energy for development of more fuel-efficient vehicles. Ford has been approved for up to $5.9 billion in loans in support of projected expenditures through mid-2012
- Raised $565 million in new equity as Ford completed its previously-announced plan to issue up to $1 billion of equity
- Ford Credit completed $10 billion in funding in the third quarter, including $2.8 billion unsecured, and now has essentially completed its full-year funding plan
- The Ford Taurus and Lincoln MKT both earned a "Top Safety Pick" from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. Ford Motor Company continues to have more IIHS "Top Safety Pick" ratings than any other automaker
- Unveiled the all-new Ford C-MAX at the Frankfurt Motor Show. The C-MAX and the Grand C-MAX will debut in Europe in 2010, and the Grand C-MAX debuts in the U.S. in 2011. The new global C-car platform will underpin up to 10 models and more than 2 million units annually by 2012
- Announced that Ford's 1.6-liter and 2.0-liter four-cylinder EcoBoost engines will make their debut in 2010 across Europe, North America, and Australia
- Unveiled the new Ford Figo to compete in India's small car segment beginning in 2010
- Launched the new Ford Fiesta in Taiwan and continued the successful rollout of the Ford Focus and Ford Everest SUV in additional Asian markets
- Revealed the new 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty and two new powertrains developed by Ford – a 6.7-liter V8 diesel engine and a 6.2-liter V8 gasoline engine
- Began selling the 2010 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor, an off-road performance truck, which captured the "2009 Pickup Truck of Texas" award from the Texas Auto Writers. The Ford F-150 won the overall "Truck of Texas" award, the seventh straight year a Ford truck has earned the honor
AUTOMOTIVE SECTOR
Automotive Sector* |
Third Quarter |
First Nine Months |
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2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
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Wholesales (000) |
1,232 |
57 |
3,377 |
(891) |
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Revenue (Bils.) |
$ 27.9 |
$ 0.1 |
$ 73.3 |
$ (23.6) |
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Pre-Tax Results (Mils.) |
$ 446 |
$ 3,385 |
$ (2,493) |
$ 523 |
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*excludes special items |
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For the third quarter of 2009, Ford's Automotive sector reported a pre-tax operating profit of $446 million, compared with a pre-tax loss of $2.9 billion a year ago. The improvement primarily reflects favorable net pricing, structural cost reductions, lower material costs and improved market share, offset partially by unfavorable exchange and lower industry volumes.
Worldwide Automotive revenue in the third quarter was $27.9 billion, up $100 million from a year ago. The increase is more than explained by favorable net pricing and higher volumes, primarily in North America, offset partially by unfavorable exchange. Total vehicle wholesales in the third quarter were 1,232,000, compared with 1,175,000 units a year ago.
Automotive structural cost reductions in the third quarter totaled $1 billion, including $500 million in North America. Manufacturing and engineering costs were $500 million lower, largely reflecting the continued benefits of improved productivity, personnel reduction actions primarily in North America and Europe, and progress on the implementation of Ford's common global platforms and product development processes. Pension and retiree health care costs were lower, reflecting the effect of the UAW Retiree Health Care VEBA agreement. Overall, Ford reduced Automotive structural costs by $4.6 billion during the first nine months.
Net pricing was $1.9 billion favorable, primarily explained by higher U.S. net pricing, reflecting the success of new products, a continued disciplined approach on incentives and selective top-line pricing.
North America: For the third quarter, Ford North America reported a pre-tax operating profit of $357 million, compared with a loss of $2.6 billion a year ago. The improvement was primarily explained by favorable net pricing, lower material costs, structural cost reductions, favorable series mix and improved market share, offset partially by unfavorable exchange and lower U.S. industry volume. Third quarter revenue was $13.7 billion, up from $10.8 billion a year ago.
South America: For the third quarter, Ford South America reported a pre-tax operating profit of $247 million, compared with a profit of $480 million a year ago. The decrease is more than explained by unfavorable exchange, primarily in Brazil and Argentina. Third quarter revenue was $2.1 billion, down from $2.7 billion a year ago.
Europe: For the third quarter, Ford Europe reported a pre-tax operating profit of $193 million, compared with a profit of $69 million a year ago. The improvement was more than explained by structural cost reductions, lower material costs and favorable net pricing, offset partially by unfavorable volume and mix and exchange. Third quarter revenue was $7.6 billion, down from $9.7 billion a year ago.
Asia Pacific Africa: For the third quarter, Ford Asia Pacific Africa reported a pre-tax operating profit of $27 million, compared with a profit of $4 million a year ago. The increase primarily reflects favorable net pricing, China joint venture profits, and cost reductions, offset partially by unfavorable exchange. Third quarter revenue was $1.5 billion, down from $1.7 billion a year ago.
Volvo: Volvo continues to be reported as an ongoing operation. The effects of "held-for-sale" accounting-related adjustments are reported as special items. For the third quarter, Volvo reported a pre-tax operating loss of $135 million, compared with a loss of $458 million a year ago. The improvement is more than explained by continued progress on cost reductions, favorable exchange, and higher volume and mix. Third quarter revenue was $3 billion, up from $2.9 billion a year ago. Also, as announced last week, Ford confirmed Geely as the preferred bidder in the ongoing discussions concerning the possible sale of Volvo Cars.
Other Automotive: Other Automotive, which consists primarily of interest and financing-related costs, was a third quarter pre-tax loss of $243 million.
FINANCIAL SERVICES SECTOR
Financial Services Sector* |
Third Quarter |
First Nine Months |
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2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
2009 |
O/(U) 2008 |
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Ford Credit Pre-Tax Results |
$ 677 |
$ 516 |
$ 1,287 |
$ 1,388 |
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Other Financial Services |
(16) |
(14) |
(93) |
(83) |
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Financial Services Pre-Tax Results |
$ 661 |
$ 502 |
$ 1,194 |
$ 1,305 |
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*excludes special items |
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For the third quarter, the Financial Services sector reported a pre-tax operating profit of $661 million, compared with a profit of $159 million a year ago.
Ford Motor Credit Company: For the third quarter, Ford Credit reported a pre-tax operating profit of $677 million, compared with a pre-tax profit of $161 million a year ago. The increase primarily reflected lower residual losses due to higher auction values, and lower provisions for credit losses, offset partially by lower volume.
Other Financial Services: For the third quarter, Other Financial Services reported a pre-tax operating loss of $16 million in the third quarter, compared with a loss of $2 million a year ago.
OUTLOOK
Despite the severe global downturn, Ford said it continues to make progress on all four pillars of its plan:
- Aggressively restructure to operate profitably at the current demand and changing model mix
- Accelerate the development of new products that customers want and value
- Finance the plan and improve the balance sheet
- Work together effectively as one team, leveraging Ford's global assets
Ford said it remains on track to achieve or exceed all of its 2009 financial targets and almost all of its operational metrics. Ford will also continue to pursue actions to improve its balance sheet.
Ford expects full-year 2009 U.S. industry sales will be about 10.6 million units, consistent with the guidance previously communicated by the company. In Europe, Ford now expects that full-year industry sales will be about 15.7 million units, which is higher than its previous guidance.
Ford expects fourth quarter 2009 production to be up compared with year-ago levels and third quarter 2009 production. This increase is to return to planned dealer stock levels and match production with market demand for Ford products.
Ford now expects full-year Automotive structural cost reductions of about $5 billion, exceeding its full-year 2009 target. These costs were reduced by $4.6 billion through the first nine months. Going forward, Ford expects structural costs to be relatively stable as the company has largely completed its significant restructuring actions over the past four years.
The company said it expects full-year U.S. and Europe market share to remain at about the same levels achieved during the first nine months.
Ford expects Automotive operating-related cash flow to be positive in the fourth quarter, based on the company's present planning assumptions.
Ford now expects capital spending of about $5 billion, or slightly less. Capital expenditures through the first nine months were $3.4 billion; higher projected fourth quarter spending reflects the timing of Ford's product launches as the company maintains its product plans.
Ford Credit expects to be profitable in the fourth quarter and for the full-year 2009. Next year, Ford Credit expects reduced profits based on lower average receivables and the non-recurrence of favorable 2009 factors.
Based on its recent performance and present planning assumptions, Ford is changing its full-year 2011 guidance for total company and North American Automotive operations from being "breakeven or better" to "solidly profitable" on a pre-tax basis excluding special items, with positive Automotive operating-related cash flow.
While the company has confidence that the global economy will be improving by 2011, the near-term growth outlook remains rather uncertain. Looking at 2010, there is a high likelihood of a substantial decrease in European industry volume as scrappage programs expire. This decrease could more than offset U.S. sales volumes, which may improve somewhat from this past quarter's levels.
Ford expects to know more about the state of the global economic recovery and its impact on 2010 auto industry volumes in the coming months. Early next year, Ford will provide guidance on its 2010 planning assumptions and operational metrics when the company releases its full-year 2009 results.
"The third quarter is one the entire Ford extended team can be proud of because it proves that our product-led transformation is working," Mulally said. "Leading indicators are now showing signs of recovery in all of our major markets, however, consumer confidence and labor market conditions remain a concern."
"Despite the continued economic headwinds, we remain confident that we have the right plan and are taking the right actions to transform Ford into a lean company that delivers profitable growth for all our stakeholders," Mulally added.
Ford's 2009 planning assumptions regarding the industry and operating metrics include the following:
Planning Assumptions |
Full Year Plan |
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Full Year Outlook |
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Memo: First Nine Months |
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Industry Volume (SAAR)**: |
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–U.S. (million units) |
10.5 – 12.5 |
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About 10.6 |
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10.5 |
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–Europe (million units)*** |
12.5 – 13.5 |
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About 15.7 |
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15.7 |
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Operational Metrics |
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Compared with 2008: |
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Quality: |
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-- U.S. |
Improve |
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On track |
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Improved |
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-- International |
Improve |
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Mixed |
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Mixed |
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--Automotive Structural Costs**** |
Improve by about $4 Billion |
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Improve by about $5 Billion |
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Improved by $4.6 Billion |
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. -- U.S. Total Market Share (Ford and LM) |
Stabilize |
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Improve |
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15.0% |
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Share of Retail Market |
Stabilize |
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Improve |
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12.9% |
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-- Europe Market Share *** |
Equal / Improve |
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Improve |
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9.2% |
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. --Auto. Operating-Related Cash Flow***** |
Negative but Significant Improvement |
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On track |
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$(3.4) Billion |
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Absolute Amount: |
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. --Capital Spending |
$5 Billion to $5.5 Billion |
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About $5 Billion |
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$3.4 Billion |
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FORD IS ON TRACK TO BE SOLIDLY PROFITABLE IN 2011 |
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*........ Pre-tax profits excluding special items |
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**...... Includes medium and heavy trucks |
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*** .. European 19 markets Ford tracks |
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**** Cost changes are measured at constant exchange, and exclude special items and discontinued operations. In addition, costs that vary directly with volume, such as material, freight and warranty costs are measured at constant volume and mix |
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***** See tables at end for reconciliation to GAAP |
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Ford's production volumes are shown below:
Production Volumes |
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Forecast |
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Third Quarter 2009 |
Fourth Quarter 2009 |
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Units |
O/(U) |
Units |
O/(U) |
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Ford North America |
490 |
72 |
570 |
141 |
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Ford Europe |
385 |
(9) |
456 |
91 |
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Volvo |
77 |
5 |
95 |
27 |












Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
bgkeen 11:01AM (11/02/2009)
It's only going to improve for Ford when they release the new Fiesta.
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Luis 11:15AM (11/02/2009)
The Fiesta won't add much to the bottom line, directly, as it's profit margins are probably pretty low, and sales won't be measured in the hundreds of thousands (in the US mkt). That being said, it will get people into showrooms, much like the Taurus will, and you'll see the Focus and Fusion benefit from this increased traffic. Of course, the new Focus can't come fast enough.
Allen 11:18AM (11/02/2009)
I have to agree with Luis, the respective launches of the new Focus and Explorer will be much more significant than the Fiesta. The Fiesta will benefit Ford's C.A.F.E. number moreso than it will generate profit.
jungdaniels 11:23AM (11/02/2009)
I remember when the kids at school used to make FORD jokes..
Fix Or Repair Daily..
Found On Road Daily..
But I'm glad to hear that they are doing so well.
It never ceases to amaze me how good quality products can lead to amazing results :)
keep up the good work Ford!
zamafir 11:53AM (11/02/2009)
@luis, defiantly and that traffic will continue to help them. Glad to see Ford's doing so well, gov hand outs or not, they've got a much more solid model than their domestic rivals.
Allen 11:02AM (11/02/2009)
Ford continues to show that they are on the right track, let's hope they are right about turning an annual profit for 2011.
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Soccer Mom 11:03AM (11/02/2009)
Does "Your kids will pay for your car" Government program have anything to do with it?
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John 11:06AM (11/02/2009)
If you're refering to C4C, Ford's sales were up before that program came into effect. If you're talking about Government loans to automakers, Ford didnt take one.
Matt 11:09AM (11/02/2009)
Soccer Mom:
That's the only reason! The only reason Ford (claims) posted a profit is because of government assistance...C4C.
Matt 11:09AM (11/02/2009)
And John...do some research:
Ford DID take a loan from the Government...it was 5.9 BILLION dollars.
Luis 11:15AM (11/02/2009)
Just like your kids' Iraq war?
jinushaun 11:24AM (11/02/2009)
Matt:
Those were green car loans for funding research and development of advanced fuel efficient cars. Not the same as a bailout!
C.W. 11:32AM (11/02/2009)
even WITH the c4c bump... analysts projected for to post a .13 per share LOSS for the quarter, which would have been a good sign for Ford.... the positive numbers and this amazing earnings report are a result of the entire body of work: reduced labor costs, increased market share, GLOBAL operations exceeding expectations in each region, Ford Credit posting great numbers in light of LOWER receiveables. They did all this with LOWER wholesaled number of vehicles for the quarter.
nay sayers and morons will try to down play this... however, this is the result of Ford implementing and successfully executing (to this point) their transformation plan.
Soccer Mom 11:35AM (11/02/2009)
Ford did not participate in government-sponsored support of dysfunctional companies. Kudos to Alan, Ford is a very well-run company.
The reported financial performance of Ford would have been impossible, if it wasn't for C4C program. Ford was a clear winner in C4C initiative due to the whole slew of well-built fuel efficient vehicles. However, we must not mistake a fluke, one-time encouragement of consumers to take even more debt at the expense of taxpayers, as a sign of sales recovery. Government cannot perpetually pay for you to buy cars, homes and large-screen TVs. Once government funds run out, then the true performance will surface. For now, the picture is skewed badly by the shot in the arm provided by the government.
why not the LS2LS7? 11:38AM (11/02/2009)
jinushaun:
Ford got $5.9B to make small vehicles, something which is their core business. In fact, everyone on here is crediting small vehicles for Ford's profit. So saying it isn't a bailout is an enormous stretch.
But either way, John said 'If you're talking about Government loans to automakers, Ford didn't take one.', and this was incorrect, as Ford took an enormous loan. So the statement deserves a correction.
why not the LS2LS7? 1:33PM (11/02/2009)
Here's another one to vote down:
Ford wouldn't be around without the bailouts and credit guarantees to their suppliers. Something they admitted early on.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/19/u-s-treasury-unveils-5b-supplier-support-program/
Fanboyism is lame. Stop voting down people just because you don't like to hear about how the various government stimulus and auto industry support programs helped Ford out of this horrible economic situation.
some1 3:28PM (11/02/2009)
why not the LS2LS7?
Ford took DOE funding, the same funding given to other company's like Tesla, and even some forgien....
It wasn't a domestic bailout, if anything it made the playing field more even due to the fact that Japan, Korea, and Germany all pump money into their respective companies for research. And up until now, the American companies had to compete with that.
DOE funding is for pushing use to further our dependacy off oil, and im guessing would have been given regaurdless.
Dean 4:25PM (11/02/2009)
Matt,
Not that anyone even cares about your posts but, every time you open your mouth you discredit yourself a little bit more. You must be a huge Rush Limbaugh fan.
why not the LS2LS7? 4:32PM (11/02/2009)
some1:
All those things you say are true. All of what I said was true too. There is no reason to be a fanboy and vote down those who are telling the truth just because you don't want to hear it.
Ford has made the most of the assistance available to them, this has put them on top. But this is not at all the same as them not taking assistance. No one forced them to take DoE money. And they admitted that supplier assistance benefited them. So the fanboys would do well to stop trying to say it is otherwise.
YouAreClueless 4:38PM (11/02/2009)
Matt,
Do your own research!!
For has NOT received a $5.9B loan from the federal government. The company was simply awarded qualification for a conditional loan commitment for up to $5.9B from the DOE through 2011/2012. To date, these loans have not contributed a penny to Ford's current liquidity position.
So, "a bailout"? No, I don't think so.