• Oct 29th 2009 at 1:57PM
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If you're looking for live updates from the Cadillac CTS-V Challenge, a variety of spectators are tweeting from the Monticello Motor Club. Get the lap times and more information by clicking here to follow along on Twitter.

UPDATE: Top lap times
after the jump. We'll continue to update with the best times if you're Twitter-averse
UPDATE 2: Lutz pulls off a 2:58:072 lap on his first run
UPDATE 3: Lutz' best time is 2:56:321. Hired guns and factory hotshoes up next
UPDATE 4: John Heinricy posts a 2:46:560 in the CTS-V
UPDATE 5: Final times added to the list below the fold

UPDATE 6: Video of "The Challengers" added.

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      • 5 Years Ago
      The M5 had a 3.05, fix it please!
      • 5 Years Ago
      The CTS-V is pretty much my lotto-win car.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I think you BMW fanboys are missing the point... Lutz was out to prove a point that the M5 can't compete. If I was in the market, I wouldn't even look at an M3 if I was considering the CTS-V. It would be a CTS-V or a used M5. Once you start barking about the M3 winning, you need to think about it for a minue, and realize that the M3 weighs 500 pounds less, which is a huge advantage AND that it is a smaller car.

      Regardless, the amount of advertising Lutz is getting from this is a win for GM, regardless of the outcome... and he knew that going in.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Heinricy's first lap (CTS-V): 2:46.560.
      • 5 Years Ago
      One word: PANAMERA
        • 5 Years Ago
        Eight Words:

        It Had Better Win At Twice The Price.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Siler plotting his track strategy was hilarious; he is even less cognizant of his short comings as an automotive journalist/driver than I had originally thought. He needed a few more cuffs in those pre-washed; I think it affected his heel-toe technique.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The person, the driver, and the "journalism" website are all severely lacking.
      • 5 Years Ago
      No the logic is for every BMW that would have attended and each doing slower then the top CTS-V scores the further they would have in their overall average.

      Bob Win's as it was to car's, not drivers as he allowed experienced drivers, even allowed cars not fitting the challenge rules and all those wanting GM to fail still lost.

      Comparing a 22 year old kid in his prime with good reflects on that track to a 77 year old is like saying I beat up my grand father.

      Flatly the CTS-V proved Bob's claim as the best car, design and quality won even when a grandfather drives it.

      Glad to see the riceball and eurosnob nameplates ran away from backing up their marketing claims and left the fight to customers that buy their products with big mouths saying how bad American cars are.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Ok so I'm a bit confused now. I tried to coax a few lucid arguments from that quagmire of run-on sentences and the like.

        So your points seem to be as follows:

        #1 The reason why we should ignore the fact that the only CTS-V's with decent lap times were piloted by seasoned professionals is because the challenge is 100% about the car and not the driver.

        Now somewhat contradictory to this is point #2 - that it doesn't count that Bob lost handily to an amateur in an M3 because Bob is an old guy. Even though the car is what counts and not the driver right? (oh and you seem to be overlooking the fact that the other 3 non-ringers ALSO placed well behind the M3, one even behind the EVO or "riceball" as you put it).

        I think the best part of your argument was yet to come though.
        "Flatly the CTS-V proved Bob's claim as the best car, design and quality [sic] won even when a grandfather drives it."
        Ok... so you're saying the CTS-V won even when a grandfather drove it? Except... that.. um.. when a grandfather drove it it placed 7th.

        I'd really like to see a redo of this competition done by one of the more reputable car magazines/websites where every car is driven by the same driver and with a greater range of vehicles. The fact that GM's entire team of hired guns can barely squeak by (using the expression generously here) the hand-picked competition proves nothing whatsoever.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Ok so going by your logic I'll compare ONLY the cars. Since there's only 1 M3 being driven one would have to find the average time for the CTS-V's.

      Simple math would find that all 7 CTS-V's come to an average of 2:54:210
      Average of the 1 M3 2:50:424

      So it seems going by your logic OR mine GM is behind :P
      • 5 Years Ago
      Bob's doing a great job.
      • 5 Years Ago
      looks like the Caddy hauls around the track quite well.

      I recall back many years Chrysler bringing a slew of consumers to a test track and having them run a car (I think it was the Sebring) around head to head against an Accord and a Camry. All declared the chrysler product the winner.

      The problem, in my opinion, was that the car was not designed to autocross or track, the target audience was school teachers and librarians, which would then deem the vehicle harsh and uncomfortable..

      I wonder if the 'new' Caddilac customer is really going to want to drive a race car?
        • 5 Years Ago

        "sportier Sebring"... I LOL'd
        • 5 Years Ago
        I was not implying in any way that the Caddy was intended for school teachers, nor saying that top range vehicles can't be performance models. Just commenting on the expectations of the stereotypical caddy buyer and his opinion of a true hot rod version...

        As you state, based on the popularity of the M3, RS4, IS-F, it's clear that buyers are indeed after significant amounts of performance.. and I personally couldn't be happier!

        The example I gave about the Sebring, based on the perceptions of my fellow AB readers isn't applicable in this situation.. simple enough..

        • 5 Years Ago
        I guess it's like my Grand Cherokee SRT-8, or my old Impreza STi.. You don't accidentally buy a hod rod..

        But.. My wife loves driving the Jeep.. something about it being fast.. ;-)

        Go Caddy!
        • 5 Years Ago
        For those in the market not for a vanilla CTS, but for the hot-rod CTS-V, yes. They will indeed want to drive around a car that can beat nearly anything else on the road OR track, and still haul the kids to soccer practice after stopping at the grocery.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Automakers hire firms like AMCI to develop test tracks/driving scenarios that will show off the strengths and downplay the weaknesses of the hero vehicle. This is done for both consumer events as well as events for dealership personnel.

        I suspect that GM new exactly what it could expect with this competition. I'm glad to see that the BMW M3 did so well.
        • 5 Years Ago

        so the is-f is designed for school teachers? the rs4? the m3?

        just because a lot of people (especially M3 owners as it's now a significant volume seller and not a niche car) buy the top model for bragging rights doesn't invalidate all those who buy cars like this and drive them like they stole them. As evidenced by the cars which showed up.

        • 5 Years Ago
        Right. Just like everyone that buys an M3 buys it for the performance, not because it's perceived as a top of the line 3 series. Come to Long Island and you'll see housewives and realtors driving around in V's, RS6's & M3's. Ask them how they like their car and the 1st thing out of their mouth is that its too rough or too loud.
        • 5 Years Ago

        These cars aren't even loud man. All 3 of the cars you listed have perfect street manners, are quiet unless they are beat on and drive fine on the streets. If you said to me that these women bought the most expensive car in the line and did not know what performance they really had at their disposal, then I would believe you. But I'm not buying that these women bought these cars and then complain about the ride and noise.....no chance.

        Your theory might be correct if we were talking 1988 M3's and M5's and the earliest S4's, when those cars were actually very raw compared to the normal models.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The ones buying a CTS-V probably won't mind. If you want a cushier ride, don't buy the V.

        On the contrary, if you wanted a sportier Sebring, you had no such option.

        • 5 Years Ago
        As an '06 CTS-V owner (FTW! 'cept my boss has an '09 V which is [sigh] better) and an enthusiast in the V community, I can say that your average caddy CTS shopper isn't going to accidentally wind up in a V. It's more than likely going to be purchased by those who want that specific vehicle for all the reasons that it's wearing that V badge.

        That said, since the gen2 (09+) came out, there have been the occasional used models turning up for sale with lines like "the wife said it was too fast for her."*

        *(hey, _my_ gf romps my '06 and would put the extra 150hp of the '09 to perfectly good use, but unfortunately for the rest of y'all, there's only one of her...)
        • 5 Years Ago

        The evolution of the M3 is proof positive that's whats happening. There are a decent amount of people who buy "performance" variants because they're the most expensive model in the range and therefore since they're more money they must be better at everything. The complainers are the ones that go out an buy an X5M or X6M the next time around.
        • 5 Years Ago
        V drivers yes
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Cypher......are you saying that those wealthy women on LI are putting themselves in V's, RS6's & M3's and are complaining about the ride and sound????? Ummm....that doesn't happen....unless their husbands are forcing them to drive it......sorry.

      • 5 Years Ago
      So a 21-year-old in an M3 beat Lutz. Still, Bob did a great job, considering his age.
      • 5 Years Ago
      This contest was worth it in publicity and advertising it got.
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