• Oct 14th 2009 at 2:32PM
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It's been 32 years since Alfa Romeo put out its own V8: a 2.6-liter, 197 hp mill fitted to the Montreal model that bowed out in 1977. And with emission regs what they are today, it looks like we may have to wait even longer.

Yesterday, Autocar reported that Alfa was working on a new 3.0-liter Mulitair-equipped V8 that would find a home in the replacement for its 166 flagship, supposedly based on the Chrysler 300 platform. Since the story hit the virtual presses, an Alfa spokesperson has denied the claim, saying "No front-wheel drive or four-wheel drive Alfa Romeo will use a engine larger than a V6." However, Alfa's parent, Fiat, does have access to Chrysler's 3.6-liter V6, but we somehow doubt that aging lump will find its way into the next generation of Alfa's range-topping model.

[Source: Autocar]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      Just because Fiat is the manufacturer with the lowest fleet output of CO2 doesnt mean they can throw it all away and start churning out mass-production V8's.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The Pentastar 3.6 V6 and aging lump!? It won't even be introduced until next May, in the new Grand Cherokee, and is so advanced that it is one of the reasons Fiat hopped in bed with Chrysler.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "and is so advanced that it is one of the reasons Fiat hopped in bed with Chrysler. "

        not really... Fiat has its own more advanced V6 in progress, but maybe stopped because this
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Autoblogworld"... sigh...
        • 5 Years Ago
        In Autoblogworkd, anything GM or Chrysler makes is an "aging lump," because it's cool to bash those automakers. The actual age or lumpiness of the product is irrelevant.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Did you ever stop to think it was just a typo? The 3.5 [timing belt] is the aging lump.

        The new 3.6 [timing chain] is the torqueless wonder.
        Why would MB have even consider that over their own 3.5HO?
      • 5 Years Ago
      "However, Alfa's parent, Fiat, does have access to Chrysler's 3.6-liter V6, but we somehow doubt that aging lump will find its way into the next generation of Alfa's range-topping model."

      What are you guys, idiots? The Pentastar 3.6 V6 is brand new, one of the most advanced V6's in the world, and isn't even available yet in a production car. Honestly, check your facts before you post.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Guys come on. Read the quote again - no FWD or AWD car will use a V8. The 166 is based on the updated 300C, and thus will be RWD. My money is still on the V8 happening.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Autoblog has definitely taken to quantity over quality lately with its articles. What's up, Mr Neff? why the shoddy articles lately?
      • 5 Years Ago
      The shift in perception has started for me. Alfas are starting to look like Chrysler Products. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Alfas are starting to look like Chrysler Products. Not that there's anything wrong with that."

        There's everything wrong with that.
      • 5 Years Ago
      the brand spankin new phoenix v6 is one of the reasons fiat bought chrysler

      that engine is supposed to beat the ford 3.5 v6 (not DI) in mpg, nvh, power and cost $600 less. it also weighs less and has DI in mind from day one

      it also doesn't have any brackets, everything from the ac compressor to the belt tensioners bolts directly to the block

      really nice engine, perfect for 300 or large alfa sedan
      • 5 Years Ago
      The grossly inaccurate "aging lump" comment is pretty much inexcusable on an automotive site that supposedly reports at least something close to fact. Unless Autoblog is going for some kind of automotive equivalent to the Weekly World News. Next up: "Bat Boy new head of GM!!!!"
      • 5 Years Ago
      Not to mention that Alfa currently uses an American “aging lump” V6, their own tweaked version of GM’s High Feature V6, by many measures not an “aging lump”, after all. The Pentastar would merely be replacing a similar engine with more technological content (Cyl. Deactivation, GDI, all aluminum, North-south/East-west flexible, etc.)

      On the other hand, as others have said, there’s nothing in the article that says there won’t be a small V8 for longitudinal application.
        • 5 Years Ago
        “Trying to rewrite history again?”


        Not sure what that means… any specific examples? Since you don’t know me, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you’ve confused me with someone that you know well enough, about which to make that statement?

        I get your point but I guess you missed my point that this would not be the first time that Alfa had shared a V6 with a U.S. domestic (and, yes, I know very well that the Alfa V6 is not THE HFV6 but, rather, a heavily tweaked version of the GM High Feature V6). Please note that, also, that when I say it’s a tweaked version of the HFV6, the reference is specifically written that way because most people on this board are more familiar with that engine than with the Alfa engine… Besides, I know first-hand how blurred the distinctions are regarding product parentage in this industry and that any program like this has enough hands on both sides to provide question as to whose “baby” it really is. I’ve worked for a number of OEMs in various product development roles and each & every one of them used powertrains co-developed with other OEMs, yet every one was always “our own”, for good reason.

        Ironically enough, I could imagine there being similar distinctions regarding the Pentastar (a program kicked off while part of DCX, to provide V6 engines across OEMs, including for Mercedes products).

      • 5 Years Ago
      Autoblog, you are as shameless in your attacks on GM and Chrysler as Glenn Beck is on Fixed News.

      Aging Lump. What gives. Just come out and say you hate GM and Chrysler and then quit posting about them all together.

      GM and Chrysler fans, its time we vote with our mouse clicks and start ignoring this site.
      • 5 Years Ago
      you would think the savage would change the article since he can't write articles right and we all noticed his mistake about calling the 3.6 an aging lump when it's not even on market... c'mon! do these guys get paid?
      • 5 Years Ago
      So much misinformation.
      • 5 Years Ago
      It's just valvetronic under another name and valvetronic has not shown itself to be of all that much worth.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Maybe that is how you get 350hp from the VQ37vhr?"

        no, they get that power rating by the torque peak being at 5200 rpm and the power peak at 7000 rpm.

        Oh, why is the 3.6 l Pentastar a "torqueless wonder" but the VQ37 isn't?
        • 5 Years Ago
        Jim, I was referring to the NISMO version.
        But if they really achieved 350hp [333hp stock] by just playing with the exhaust, that leaves room for even more power, perhaps 400hp@8000? [wishful thinking] if you adjust the VVEL mechanism to increase peak lift from 11.43mm to 12.827mm.

        Yes I know that the VQ37vhr is light on torque, but Nissan has a 7 speed automatic now, and direct injection in the pipeline.
        and the VQ37 is out now. maybe Nissan will drop that engine for a direct injection twin turbo VQ25? downsizing + turboing seems to be the 'in' thing to do.

        The current 3.5 has [had] decent low end torque due to long/short runner manifold & variable resonance function.
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