• Oct 8th 2009 at 11:40AM
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It's only been a couple of days since Toyota released initial details and photos of its TF-86 coupe concept scheduled for debut at the upcoming Tokyo show, but we've already been waiting for the other shoe to drop. The project nicknamed "Toyobaru" by the media and fansites is to be a test case for future cooperation between Toyota and Subaru, and the TF-86 is based largely on Scooby mechanicals. A Subaru-branded version of the coupe is expected to follow, and now sketches outlining the design have emerged courtesy of the blokes at Autocar.
Sources indicate, however, that Subaru's executives are far from sold on the project. The Toyota-designed platform may not be able to accommodate all-wheel-drive, a signature Subaru feature. And parent company Fuji Heavy is reportedly hesitant to share its technologies with rival Toyota. However, the counterpoint is that the coupe's inclusion in the company's lineup could attract a new demographic, and that sharing components with Toyota would help mitigate costs and reduce overhead.

[Source: Autocar]

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      • 5 Years Ago
      The front end reminds me of the SVT Focus, ugly.
        • 5 Years Ago
        there are suspiciously a lot of blue ovals in the sketchs....
      • 5 Years Ago
      those "renderings" looks awful "sketchy" lmao
        • 5 Years Ago
        @xpolarx: "in my idealist little world ... re-engineer the symmetrical AWD system and move the engine to a more mid-ship position."

        I live in your world.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Ya think?! :p I do like the looks of it, however.. I wonder how much it'll differ from the Toyota version. As mentioned in the comments, probably not much - but most people without a chip on their shoulder admit they like the styling of the FT-86 anyway - so I don't think it would be a big deal...

        Sal Collaziano
      • 5 Years Ago
      A hatch? Really? That's a great idea, since so many people loved the new Impreza...
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        • 5 Years Ago
        I have strong opinions about the direction companies go, and I'm not going to hold them back. Would you rather I disneyfy what I say? I don't consider a 240z to be anything close to the looks of a new WRX STI. If you watch TG, what did they say about the new WRX shape? They weren't it's biggest fan. All hatches are not made equal. Don't compare a GTI to a Z.
        You can't honestly say this looks more like an S13 than the new WRX STI. If you really think it does, you're big mouth may not be your only problem.
        • 5 Years Ago

        Have you ever contributed to a conversation instead of defecating upon it?

        HOT HATCH graces Autoblog constantly. If we shift the conversation to Nissan, or Datsun for the purists, people consistently praise the 240z, 240sx ( the RPS13, thanks) for being great RWD hatchback coupes.

        Watch Top Gear. They go NUTS for hatchback cars. GTI. Alfa Brera. Civic Type R ( the previous model without the spoiler in the rear window ).

        This is a hatchback coupe, not a 5-door, or wagon. Big difference, chief.
        • 5 Years Ago
        There are two kinds of hatchbacks.

        Fastbacks, liftbacks, sportsbacks.... etc, being marketing terms for a sleek roof profile with a shallow angle rake.

        OR there are what are typically called hatchbacks, or hot-hatches... more of a two-box design, with a much more vertical rear hatchback door, and a more horizontal roof, all the way to the back of the car.

        WRX (I call hunch-back, since it is a hatchback with a bulbously arched roof...), Mazda 3 5-door, Golf 3 and 5 door, etc... fit in that category.

        It should be obvious from the FT-86 concept Toyota body, and the sketches on this article for the Subaru variant of the same car... that this is the FORMER, not the latter. More like a Celica, Supra, RX7, Probe GT, Aston Martin Vantage, Jaguar XK, 350/370Z, Cayman, and other coupe-profile lift-back type cars.

        And after owning several of each, cars with trunks, and cars with lift-backs... BRING ON THE HATCH!!! That is a positive selling point for me. A tiny trunk lid does very few favors if you use the trunk space for anything on even an occasional basis.
      • 5 Years Ago
      worldcarfans.com are reporting theyre fake. produced by autocar, the brilliant magazine that only ever prints the correct date and nothing else. you can see it at:

      • 5 Years Ago
      I'll bet the production body differs only by the badge.

      Which is fine, since I like the Toyota concept.

      Just send the AWD + turbo on the Suby version.
        • 5 Years Ago
        If the Subaru version has the same front axle position... chances are it will not be AWD.

        The toyota version seems to have such a short front overhang, that I doubt Subaru's AWD would fit... the engine has to be over and slightly forward of the axle line, and the radiator and other parts have to be in front of the engine...

        Subarus usually have longer front overhangs, and the front wheels are closer to the firewall than the FT86's geometry appears to be.

        Either the Subaru will be RWD only, or the front end of the car will be different between Toyota and Subaru, or the FT86 Toyota concept is more fictional than production-ready.
        • 5 Years Ago

        I think you have your facts backwards.

        Subarus are not FWD. They are ALL AWD.

        I KNOW THIS. I own TWO of them, one of which was otherwise offered as FWD... and was still a longitudinal drivetrain.

        The transaxle is BEHIND the engine, and two lateral half-shafts emerge from behind the clutch, or behind the torque converter, from a front differential location, to drive the front wheels. The half shafts angle forward just a bit, but the engine sits directly on the front axle line, biased a bit forward. Audi's longitudinal Quattro systems are the same way, in the A4, A5, A6, and A8, and Q-series SUVs.

        The AWD bit, is that there is a third output shaft, from the CENTER differential, to the rear wheel drivetrain, much like a traditional RWD car. The engine resides in front of the entire drivetrain. A Porsche 911-series with AWD is the opposite direction, but the same layout, with the rear-engine behind the whole drivetrain.

        The FT-86 is not a traditional transverse engine Toyota. IT IS A SUBARU UNDERNEATH. It has a boxer engine, and REAR WHEEL DRIVE. It basically leaves off the differentials in the transaxle, and leaves off the lateral front drive shafts entirely... and is simply rear-wheel drive, like a Miata is. Which I ALSO happen to own one of, so I know how IT is laid out, also.

        With a boxer engine, and RWD, this FT-86 cannot drive the front wheels with them as far forward as the Toyota concept shows them to be. The transaxle is NOT in front of the engine, and Subaru doesn't build AWD with divorced, separate front differentials, at least that I have ever heard of.

        The front wheels on the toyota are un-driven, and cannot be connected to the gearbox while they are that far toward the front of the car. The front wheels would have to be further back, pretty much exactly like a current Impreza, or any other Subaru, in order to be in line with the transaxle, to be connected with half-shafts.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Among all the rumors I thought I heard this car rode on a hacked up Impreza/Legacy chassis with Toyota overseeing the conversion of it to RWD. I did not think there would be an AWD version at all because Subaru was reportedly worried it would tarnish their brand image to even offer the car.
        • 5 Years Ago
        You're dead-on. Unless they dropped in a two-cylinder engine, that chassis wouldn't fit Subaru's AWD. Though, in my idealist little world, I'd like to think Subaru is using some of those sales-growth dollars to re-engineer the symmetrical AWD system and move the engine to a more mid-ship position. Knowing the architecture (I drive a LGT, as well), I don't know how they'd do it...I'm just saying I wish they would.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I like the looks of this and the Toyota version. With those 2 and the new Honda CRZ coming out, this makes a college student like myself have something to look froward to buying after college!!!! I just hope my 99 Grand Prix can last that long lol
      • 5 Years Ago
      I seriously think "Suyota" is a better abbreviation. There's my 2 cent :/
      • 5 Years Ago
      Both are nice, hope to see those on the road. I will take the Toyota one.
      • 5 Years Ago
      the sketches for the front reminds me of the prodrive P2. oh man, if they brought that thing over.... *drooling*
      • 5 Years Ago
      These are some of the worst concept sketches I've seen in some time. As a design professional, I'd be embarrassed to have these released. Hell, I have automotive sketches on my desk in front of me that would blow these away!

      Word to Subaru: HIRE ME.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Please Subaru, don't make it ugly...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Just have them bring back the SVX and stop with this Toyota nonsense.
        • 5 Years Ago
        C'mon, it's Subaru... the production version most certainly _will_ be ugly.
      • 5 Years Ago
      From what I remember, doesn't the home market (Japan) get the Toyota model and everyone else gets the Subaru version?
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