• Sep 14, 2009

Volkswagen Golf R20 - Click above for high-res image gallery

The Volkswagen Golf R32 had an small but dedicated fan base here in the U.S. It's 250 horses and road-gripping 4Motion all-wheel drive made for one sprightly Golf, but changing times calls for another approach for the R franchise. Our German friends at VW are using home field advantage at the Frankfurt Motor Show to announce the highly anticipated 2010 R20. The newest R-badged Golf will drop a couple cylinders and add turbocharging for motivation, but the AWD system will stay to keep all that power from being wasted at the front wheels.

The R20 will be reportedly be powered by a boosted 2.0L engine capable of 265 hp and 258 lb-ft, likely an exact duplicate of the engine of the Scirocco R20. World Car Fans says the new powertrain will make for a 0-62 time of 6.5 seconds with the six-speed manual, and 6.4 seconds with the dual clutch gear box. Those times sound pretty slow to us and are akin to what a standard GTI can manage, so we're guessing VW is sandbagging for now.

The R20 also has several aesthetic changes including a new front grille, LED daylight running lamps and plenty of fresh R-badging to let onlookers know this is no run-of-the-mill Golf. Also new are some gorgeous new rims that look to be of the 18 inch variety, and the interior receives some tasteful two tone treatments as well. We'll be sure to update you on all things R20 as official information from VW becomes available. Click below to enjoy the high-res gallery.



[Source: World Car Fans]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      As much as I enjoy my MKIV R32, I have to admit that the 4 cylinder turbo engine is a better path forward for folks looking for less expensive aftermarket power. As a side benefit the lighter engine should help overall balance, too.

      I just hope that the car doesn't weigh 3500+ pounds in US trim.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm definitely expecting 3500 lbs.+, but there is always a ray of hope that the engineers have kept their eyes on the weight.

        Anyway, I have no plans to plunk down 30-35K on the R20, but I hope those that do enjoy the car as much as I have enjoyed the MKIV R32.

      • 5 Years Ago
      Do want! That is "R" is awesome.

      ..
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Mehdi Cheddadi - I guess I'm confused. The '09 WRX already offers 265hp with the standard AWD in the hatchback trim.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Jimbo - normally I'm with you on the need to actually meet volume sales, but VW's never going to sell a lot of $30-$35,000 hatch backs, and they are selling it to their enthusiast crowd who's only gripe has really been the lack of a stick. If VW had played their cards differently and made the DSG the only option vs nav, i'd wager they would have sold the MkV a lot faster. I don't think it's a mistake they're going to make again.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Unless Mazda does an incredible mazdaspeed6 OR Subaru announces an evo rivaling next gen sti OR the toyotabaru is revealed to be a 250hp+ LIGHTWEIGHT coupe, then I'm getting this as my next car! The practicality of a Hatchback with the winter prowess of the AWD system matched to a tuner friendly boostable 4cyl engine all dressed up in a sumptuous German leather suit is exactly what I have been looking for. *slurp*
        • 5 Years Ago
        NOT AWESOME BECAUSE IT STILL HAS DSG!!!

        if this comes to the states with dsg only again, expect a massive fail. come on VW, do you REALLY not listen to your people???
        • 5 Years Ago
        I hope they changed the engine/turbo from that of TT-S, because TT-S engine is known for nasty turbo lag.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The 2.0T TSI has a huge amount of potential. Im a bit jealous of the people who already own it in the mk5, and this is coming from an owner of a mk4 Jetta with a 24v VR6 (to date, still the fastest and most powerful Jetta offered in the US), not to mention I supercharged mine. The VR6 is bulletproof, has a godlike powerband (especially in 24v variants), and is suprisingly fuel efficient for what it is (I manage over 30mpg highway on a supercharged 2.8 in a heavy car making ~300whp.) However, from a "tuner" perspective, the TSI motor is a much better starting point for bang for the buck upgrades. All N/A upgrades for the VR6 engines only net short gains in power, unless you are having the motor completely torn down for a high compression build using one-off parts. This turns most people to forced induction, which presents a high upfront cost.

      A mk5 GTI with either the 2.0T FSI or TSI with a simple chip can run with a mk5 R32 in almost anything but an off the line accelleration run, of course due to the lack of AWD.

      It has already been determined that the TSI has even more potential for high horsepower applications than an EVO. Now all that needs to happen is for the aftermarket to catch up.
      • 5 Years Ago
      But will we get it in the US ?
      • 5 Years Ago
      • 5 Years Ago
      This car will be totally pointless if they do that retarded 'DSG Only' thing over here. People are gonna LOVE the AWD simply for fitting a gigantic turbo to it, and still getting all that power down. You're going to see a LOT more Big Turbo R20s than R32s, because the R20 kits will cost the same as the GTI kit (maybe even cheaper, if it's got a better fueling system stock). The new TSI 2.0T engine has a Stage 3 kit out now for 370HP/385TQ.... retail price on it is under $5k. So ya, VW will now have, potentially, an STI/EVO fighter for cheaper. But DSG can only hold so much on the stock clutch packs. This car *NEEDS* to be available in manual.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm aware of HPA's stuff, however even their site says:

        NOTE://OEM clutches have a durability threshold of 400 crank HP. With stage 3, we have been able to hold 500HP but the reliability of these packs can not be quantified.

        There are currently GTIs reaching over 600whp. Most won't do it because it's pointless to do that much FWD. But with the AWD system, we could see a lot more big turbo development. But, again, if we only get the weak clutch packs, there's no sense. Upgraded clutch packs will be $$$$$, making this car inevitably as hard to get big numbers out of as the 3.2.
        • 5 Years Ago
        http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4462654

        It actually seems like upgraded clutch packs are available... but $2k just for software on top of the $3600 for the clutch packs, and I don't want to think about labor. It would be more cost effective to swap in a manual, but that's a big job, and a lot harder than just slapping a turbo kit on. You'd need rods to get that kind of power to need the clutch packs, so that's an engine build, but still, it's a very big extra cost. A lot more people would much rather just swap rods than to swap clutch packs out. Hopefully VW learned from the slow sales of the MkV R that only offering DSG in the US is NOT a good thing.

        I do see your point, and it is a fair one. Anyone putting $7k into making big enough numbers to need the clutch packs may not mind spending the extra money to upgrade the clutch packs, but still seems like fewer people would then go that route. You'll always have your big players out there that will get the power no matter what. but it puts it even more out of reach of Joe Schmoe.
        • 5 Years Ago
        If you're that worried about upgraded clutch packs and such being so expensive, then just convert the car over to a manual before performing major power upgrades.

        It's noted that the car will be available with a stick, so converting it over would basically be just a matter of sourcing the parts and plugging them in.

        That's bound to be just as cost-effective as upgrading the DSG I'd think.

        Just seems that if someone is willing to drop several thousand dollars on the car to upgrade the power, an additional couple thousand to upgrade the transmission just makes good sense. No matter which way you go, you are looking at upgrading clutches.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Thankfully, the aftermarket has solutions there as well.

        HPA(HGP) manages to build 500+hp twin-turbo cars with DSG transmissions in them.

        http://hpamotorsports.com/dsg.htm

        http://hpamotorsports.com/dsg-stages.htm

        Pricing is not too bad either considering the cost of a turbo kit and the insane pricing of much of HPA's stuff.
        • 5 Years Ago
        And history fails you - the MkV R32 was available with both, but the US only got the DSG models.
        • 5 Years Ago
        As of yet, VW/Audi has not released a 265HP version of the new timing chain "TSI" motor. Chances are that this motor, as with the S3, TTS, ect. will carry on with the BHZ motor with belt driven cams and flat tappet HPFP cam follower.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Reading fails you. It states it will have a 6 speed manual and the flappy petal box.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I just want the scirrocco.
        • 5 Years Ago
        This looks just like it, except 5" taller.

        Btw I like the looks of the C30 and the interior is cool, but Volvo needs to take some notes from VW on how to do a proper "R-hatch".
      • 5 Years Ago
      What is so special about this car?Some of you think that it's going to be the fastest vehicle on the road!
      VW's have not been known for speed or 1/4 mile figures unless you chip them.
      I'm sure this "R" version will be quick but don't expect it to beat the STI or the EVO X,unless their interiors are compared.I suppose when it does get beaten(performance wise) VW fans will fall back on the their OLD argument that "at least our interior is better."
        • 5 Years Ago
        I suppose the VW fan's interior argument isn't that bad, though. It could be worse, he could be a Honda fan, and lose to the Evo AND have a piss-poor interior.
        • 5 Years Ago
        the TT-S beat on every europen the STI or Evo ..and other than in the USA the TT-S is in europe cheaper than both..

        pricing in Germany (incl. 19%tax)

        Audi TT-S 45,700Euro
        WRX STI 49,900Euro
        Evo MR 53,850Euro


        TT-S beating WRX STI
        Germany
        Hockenheim short (sportauto) by 2seconds
        LUK driving center (Dmotor) by 2seconds
        UK
        Angleseye national (Autoexpress) by 1second
        Greece
        Seeres Racing Circuit (Drive magazine) by 2seconds
        France
        Circuit de Magny-Cours (Motorsport magazine) by 2seconds

        0-125mph the TT-S is 3.5s quicker than the WRX-STI

        TT-S beating Evo X MR SST
        Japan
        Tsukuba (bestmotoring) both equal quick in the wet (no dry lap for the TT-S)
        Spain
        Inta race track (Automovil Magazine) by 1.5second
        Germany
        Luk driving center (Dmotor) by 1second
        0-100mph the TT-S is 2.6s quicker than the

        The Golf R20 has the same technic under the hood the same AWD system same electronic damper system... and will weight almost the same and it will get almost the same results.. WRX STI and EVO X are victims..
        • 5 Years Ago
        The interior argument has been mostly a compensatory one because VW has always been(or felt) inadequate in the performance side of things.That's where turbos have been a life saver for VW, just like those street tuners that slap on a turbo and presto!..more power and torque.Infact without the Audi group's help VW would still be making those farting air cooled engines.VW are nowhere near as talented as Honda in making NA engines.
        Honda will ALWAYS out last a VW as it(VW) always scores low in reliability surveys WORLDWIDE!
        As for the Honda interior, it's made to take some punishment, unlike the prissy VWs!
      • 5 Years Ago
      I want to test drive that.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Finally, they put the turbo 4 in the R, thanks VW! Now, fork over the sirocco...
      • 5 Years Ago
      I thought pictures alone would satisfy my needs, but these, without any details about availability, actually make me more crazy.

      Coming to the US? When? How much? AWD?

      .:R
      • 5 Years Ago
      Too bad...Volkswagen is losing a customer with this one. I own both the 2004 and 2008 R32 but I would never buy a R20. The one single thing that made the R32 stand out in the Subaru, Mitsu...crowd was the 6 cylinder. No matter how much more powerful the R20, WRI, EVO...are, I would never buy one. They all lack at least 2 cylinders.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I had both as well, the 2004 and I still have a 2008 R32. The thing I will admit that I am jealous of is the ability to get a simple chip tune that adds 45hp like the MkV GTIs / GLIs can do. If this comes in with the 2.0 that is promised with an upgraded fuel system, the ability to chip tune them easily like the current GTI would make me happy, and probably get me to bite from the VW apple again.
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