• Sep 2, 2009

2010 Buick LaCrosse - Click above for high-res image gallery

When it comes to isolating the two most important stats automakers consider when determining a vehicle's success or failure, the Lexus ES350 is a smash it. The stats in question are sales volume and profit, and the ES typically tops the entry-level luxury sales chart while often exceeding its competition in terms of price. Conversely, Buick has been stuck at the opposite end of the spectrum, with little in the way of product or respect – at least until recently. The well-received Enclave proved that General Motors' one-time bastard child could make competitive product, but the 2010 LaCrosse is tasked with taking on the likes of Acura and Lexus.

Inside Line was impressed enough with a LaCrosse it reviewed earlier that the online publication pitted Buick's upstart against the long dominant ES350. IL notes that the Lacrosse outweighs the ES by nearly 500 pounds, generates 2.5 fewer miles per gallon and has a .6 second slower 0-60 mph time, yet it handily bests the aging ES in nearly every category. Hit the read link below to check out the comparison. Has Buick arrived as a legitimate contender to Lexus? It's definitely too early to tell, but it looks like the division could finally be ready to put up a good fight.



[Source: Inside Line]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      I tried to get the Yahoo Auto site to give me the actual interior dimensions but you cann see that externallthey are within an inch leght and width while the Buick is 350+ lbs heavier in 2WD.
      http://autos.yahoo.com/car-compare/technical-specs/;_ylt=AtKuOOLSbLh0Nqrfv0lBLCTu_a1_;_ylv=3?trimId0=26466&trimId2=26586&trimId1=27458
      • 5 Years Ago
      GM fans and marketing folks think that it is brilliant to throw in "Lexus" in the same sentence with "Buick" and keep repeating it ... it did not work and will not work. They cant even get cadillac to compete with lexus. Cadillac and Buick only will sell to those folks who were going to buy them anyway.

      Lexus buyers are a different breed. They do not cross shop with cadillac/lincoln or even with the well heeled germans. Lexus definition of luxury is quite different from tuetonic version and serves two different types of buyers. That leaves with a few disgruntled former domestic/german owners who switched over.
      • 5 Years Ago
      and the winner is...

      no one cares...can you find cars that are more boring? chances are neither car made it to the finish line
      • 5 Years Ago
      "The only car that Cadillac has, that is ahead of Lexus, is the CTS and its dirivatives. Everything else pretty much competes with Lexus............. and Buick............. since Buick also competes with Lexus. "

      See if you can understand this: Lexus competes with BMW but also makes vehicles for people who want traditional luxury. This means that Cadillac AND Buick can compete with Lexus without hurting each other. Buick will not make any competitors for the GS, LS, IS or SC. The upcoming small cadillac will go head to head with the RWD IS. The CTS already competes with the GS and the SRX goes up against the RX.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Buick is improving a lot.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I normally couldn't care less about sedans, but the fact that I actually WANT one of these says something (even more so when it's a Buick sedan of all things).

      Buick just needs to keep this up. I really think they should kill that idea of a rebadged Cruze, though. I'm not asking for anything crazy like that Wildcat concept (though that would certainly be awesome), but they should make something that can actually compete with the IS, G37, 3-Series, etc., instead of luxing out a Chevy econo-box. If Buick's gonna re-skin and re-badge a car, the upcoming ATS would be a good start, IMO.
      • 5 Years Ago
      LaCrosse vs. ES350: EXTREME GERIATRIC CAGE FIGHTING!

      Though I would honest-to-goodness consider a LaCrosse in a few years.

      But if Buick decides to bring over that Insignia OPC and rebadge it as a Regal GNX or Super, that probably would be the car i'd drool over.
      • 5 Years Ago
      "who wins?"

      AARP.
      • 5 Years Ago
      A couple of glaring issues with this review:

      First, Edmunds does not tell you that they've had a joint marketing arrangement with GM and that fact alone would call into question any of their subjective analyses.

      Second, on substantial performance issues, the Lexus wins on almost all levels. Those objective facts tend to mitigate the paid for endorsement of the Buick by Edmunds/GM.

      Third, despite the near Lexus price, there is no real wood to be found in any Buick. I think if you are going to claim you are something, you should go all the way or shut to hell up. Edmunds of course denigrates the real wood in the Lexus but I suspect this is to cover their rears because they know and note that Buick makes fake wood (and it looked so real!).

      Fourth, as will almost EVERY new GM product, there is a lack of REAL room for PEOPLE. There may be more cubic inches of room when measured, but rear seat legroom and kneeroom in GM products is lacking and the claustrophobic feeling you get from the high beltline and smashed roofline of the products doesn't make them feel larger (as Edmunds lied in noting).

      Fifth, Buick has not in three decades or longer made any product competitive with standard-bearers in luxury. We cannot get all gushy (like Edmunds does) when they finally build a car they should have built in 2000 when it truly would have been class best. Given that GM still finds incredible ways to screw up products with indifferent assembly build, orange peel, exterior panel and interior panel misfits, and substantial inadequacy of rear seat room for passenger products, there is nothing here that is extraordinary or noteworthy. Once again GM built just good enough when it needed to be great.

      Sixth - the comparison wasn't a 2009 Buick v. 2009 Lexus. It was the newest product GM had against the current model year Lexus. That is a stacked deck comparison and with 2010 models being available in a month, the paid off Edmunds showed a disregard for objectivity by rushing a comparison. Maybe the 2010 Lexus wouldn't have changed much, but at least it would be current product v. current product!

      Nice try Edmunds - but I know you are no longer objective and enjoy pointing out your co-mingling with GM every chance I get!
        • 5 Years Ago
        OOps,

        Someone punctured the Lexus balloon for a Toy fan...
        • 5 Years Ago
        You are wrong on all counts. The ES is not being changed for 2010 so using a 2009 model is fine.

        Also Buick uses real wood steering wheels on the Enclave and Lucerne.

        GM and Toyota advertise on edmunds heavily

        GM vehicles rarely when Edmunds comparos.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Laser,

        you are right on most of the points, besides the wood used in Buick. Buick uses real wood in 2 OTHER models, not in LaCrosse though

        about everything else .. including the model year - spot on! Thanks for the detailed comment. I hope this Buick Lexus thing started a few days ago will finally shut up.

        I also read here a couple of "specialists" comparing Lexus Hybrids to the GM wannabees ... guys, this is so so so so lame

        @Luis man, I like you a lot as we are on the same side here but your comment about the neighbors was not .... in place (to say the least, not to say something else :):) )
        • 5 Years Ago
        I agree with you.. I must also state that I feel the LaCrosse has a very classy-looking design in person. Inside and out.. But the rear seat is uncomfortable and this car has less room inside than a Honda Accord (that's a fact). I just don't understand how GM can build "big" cars with little interiors.. They're #1 in this regard..

        At any cost, the LaCrosse is a nice vehicle - one of the nicest Buick has made in a long time - and I think that between it and the Enclave, Buick will be on their way to making enough profit to continue moving forward...

        Sal Collaziano
        http://www.buickforums.com
      • 5 Years Ago
      you're an idiot. you don't think edmunds and toyota have any kind of marketing agreement? all those toyota ads on the site must have gotten on there by accident!
        • 5 Years Ago
        you're damn right i was talking about the ads on the site. now i know you own some websites (because you spam the F out of them on this site) but i own some too. You better believe edmunds.com has agreements with automakers. it's no F-ing coincidence that every single ad is for a car company and that when you view the page for the cadillac srx, an ad for the cadillac srx shows up. they didn't just throw up a tribal fusion ad code and magically that all happened.

        additionally how do you explain the sponsored vehicle showcase? i'm a member of about 10 different ad networks, and i don't remember seeing the different creatives offered being "skyscraper, leaderboard, vehicle showcase..."

        maybe YOUR website doesn't have deals with actual companies, but ones like edmunds and mine do. you'll find out if you ever make it to the big time.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I certainly hope he's not referring to the ads on the site.. Ads on a site have nothing to do with anything but the company placing the ads paying the owner of the domain money to be there. It's not an "agreement" and anyone, even I, can place ads there at any given time...

        Sal Collaziano
      • 5 Years Ago
      Buick is killing Lexus in the soft luxury products: the Enclave is far more interesting than the RX and now the LaCrosse looks very compelling next to the ES. I expect that there will also be a hybrid Regal that will demolish the poorly executed HS250h.

      Will GM have the guts to let Buick compete against Lexus's sportier models, like the IS and GS? Time will tell.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Cadillac is way above Lexus in terms of sporty luxury... the CTS-V and XLR-V are way better than anything Lexus offers or probably will offer in the near future.
        • 5 Years Ago
        OK this Inside Line "review" is the pinnacle of ridiculousness. For one thing they randomly picked 10 things that they decided the car should have and then penalized the ES for not having them.
        One of these things that the LaCrosse got points for but the ES lost points on was...a 4-cylinder engine option.
        Because really, it's fair to penalize a FRIGGIN' LUXURY CAR FOR NOT HAVING A 4-CYLINDER OPTION? Yeah it happens to have the option too, it's called buying the Camry instead.
        Here's the nonsense that has the 500 pound heavier, worse mileage getting, slower to 60mph, Buick magically "beating" the ES. They chose 10 random features that they decided luxury cars "have to have" that the Buick just happened to have, hilarious:
        http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=156106/pageId=177124
        Since when did every luxury car have to have AWD? That would penalize everything from an S Class to a Genesis to the LS460...wtf?
        4-Cylinder engine? Is Inside Line on drugs or something? That's like doing a supercar comparison then penalizing Lambos for not having V6's available.
        And other crap like perforated vs unperforated leather borders on ridiculousness for being the measurement they're using to compare these cars. You might as well use the ES' leather trim package as a must have feature.

        I could make a ridiculous "must have" features list that just happens to have what the ES has and the Lacrosse doesn't.
        Like say, rear seat air conditioning/heating ducts-which the ES has standard and the Lacrosse has as an option package (seriously on a luxury car? Even the Camry LE has one).
        Or maybe I'll arbitrarily proclaim that all luxury cars "have" to have a 72 month powertrain warranty then give the ES points.
        Or a folding center seat armrest that the ES has and the Lacrosse doesn't, or the option of rear privacy glass, etc.

        All of these stupid things are totally random and arbitrary features that make no sense to use in a point scoring system. This is probably the worst review I've ever read-how can ANYBODY take this seriously when having a 4-cylinder engine is one of the "requirements" of a luxury car?!?
        • 5 Years Ago
        That's for Cadillac to compete with.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ the4thheat

        I'll be first in line to call Inside Line's wokers morons, but the Buick is really a better car. It comes better equipped for much less, has better non-acceleration-concerned performance, and is much more elegant inside and out. Buick also sits next to Lexus in quality. The Lexus' only significant advantage is a more prestigious badge and quicker acceleration, coupled with slightly better fuel economy.

        P.S. The S-Class and Lexus LS both offer AWD.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The XLR is dead, thus, it does not count.

        The only car that Cadillac has, that is ahead of Lexus, is the CTS and its dirivatives. Everything else pretty much competes with Lexus............. and Buick............. since Buick also competes with Lexus.

        (sigh)
        • 5 Years Ago
        Come on people.. Cadillac, Buick etc.. they all need a MASSIVE DIET!

        I don't care if they pump more hp etc into these things.. they need to make LIGHTER cars.

        They say in this review the car weighs 500lbs MORE! NOT FUN! NOT SAFE!

        The CTS-V (4300lbs) weights a solid 450lbs more than an ISF (3780lbs.) the CTS is a bigger car.. but come on Cadillac.. give us something FUN and smaller. We don't always need to have a LARGE executive backseat. If we did, we'd all be driving Crown Vics!

        1. MAKE A SMALLER Buick / Cadillac. RWD Platform to compete with 3series. AWD as an option.

        2. MAKE A LIGHTER CAR. 3450lbs rwd / 3550 awd. +option weight.

        3. Throw any of your nice engines into it (V6 from Camaro is more than enough if the weight is right).

        4. Price is accordingly. $1500 -2000 less than a BMW. and it will sell!



      • 5 Years Ago
      Good job Buick. One car won't make any major changes, but it they can keep it up the tides will turn.
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