• Aug 24th 2009 at 3:57PM
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For 2010, Volkswagen is again discarding the Rabbit badge in favor of the Golf name used in the rest of the world's markets. The European hatchbacks will begin arriving in the U.S. in the coming weeks, beginning with the GTI. The standard Golf will again be available with diesel power, the same 2.0-liter turbodiesel four-cylinder engine that arrived last year in the Jetta TDI. Although they aren't linked to from the main VW site, new GTI and Golf websites are now live and include TDI information, specs and pricing.

The base two-door, 2.5-liter gas-powered Golf starts at $17,490 and the four-door will command $19,190. Like the Jetta, TDI models come with a higher level of equipment and therefore start at $21,990 and $22,590 with a six-speed manual gearbox. The new GTI, meanwhile, starts at $23,290.

What's interesting are the fuel economy numbers for the TDI. The Volkswagen website lists both the manual and DSG versions of the new Golf TDI at 29 mpg city and 40 mpg highway. However, a quick check of the EPA's FuelEconomy.gov site shows that the Golf TDI rates even better at 30 mpg city and 42 highway. Similarly, the EPA also lists the 2010 Jetta TDI with DSG at the same level of improvement over the 2009 model's 29/40. Assuming the EPA numbers are correct, VW must have done some recalibration work on the DSG model. Thanks to Jay for the tip!

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    • 1 Second Ago
      • 6 Years Ago
      • 6 Years Ago
      repost from yesterday, weird.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "I've never heard about a [insert name of VW combo] having any problems..."

      You haven't looked very hard then.

      I've seen TDI's have issues (namely because mechanics, DEALER mechanics, were stupid and made horrible mistakes)

      I've seen the Turbo gas motors have issues (sludging in the 1.8T, carbon buildup in the 2.0TFSI)

      I've seen everything not related to the engine (window motors, door lock motors, alternators, seat belts, power steering bits, CV-boots) crap out and then cost twice as much as similar cars to repair/replace.

      And I've seen people swearing up-and-down that their VW has been a perfect little darling and how could we say such mean things about their perfect little darling... get a second VW, and then suddenly hate them as much as everyone else who got a bad one.

      The fact of the matter is... Volkswagens are about as bad as 80's Hyundais: They have mediocre reliability which is exacerbated by the fact Americans just beat up their cars compared to everyone else... and cost more than they should to get fixed. The difference is that they aren't cheap crappy cars thus instead of going "oh what a cheap peice of junk that turned out to be" people sort of balk and pretend the problems aren't as big as they are until they get fed up and finally admit that a $600 alternator has no right failing at 60,000 miles.

      The fix is the same: engineer your cars for Actual Reliability (even if it means your turbo might be 10 HP less than the next guy), and put a no-muss no-fuss super-warranty on the blasted little things and then bankroll the hell out of it so that if things DO turn out to not actually be fixed people aren't being told that their transmission snapped on their Eos because they drove it too hard...

      Hyundai did that and they are poised to take the reigns of "nice, reliable car for everyone" from Toyota. VW seems to have lots of dealers suing websites to take down reports of horrible service experiences.
        • 5 Years Ago
        hey, epilonious, do you know what you're talking about or are you just jawboning? i'm more likely to trust brand-name investigators who review widespread data looking for trends and trouble spots than a single reviewer who may or may not just be out to get someone for some mistreatment.

        what are you basing your accusations on? what's your authority? i've had old vws and they were problematic (like you said) but they were easy to fix and i had the time and tools to do it. modern day vws i've had to trust friends and they don't echo your concerns.

        i guess we're all stuck with personal experiences and will have to make our own judgments.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "To the poster with a bad Mark IV GTI experience, I didn't think the GTI of that generation had a 2.0 engine. It was 1.8 turbo or 2.8 VR6, wasn't it?"

      The 99.5 GTI came with the 2.0L and the V6 : it was the transition period between the Mk III and Mk IV. They introduced the 1.8T for the MY 2000. incidentally, you mention you TDI 99.5. I am pretty sure this was not available back then. It probably was a 99. I will say that the TDI engines are more reliable than the gas counterparts.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Google it and you will find the cached version: http://www.vw.com/golf/pricelist/en/us/#overview
      • 6 Years Ago
      This is a bit off topic but I feel relevant.

      Does anyone think it would still be possible that people (U.S. market) would be more apt to buy a diesel car is if we had more full service stations? I feel that the biggest issue to diesel sales is the fact that the diesel pump is quite honestly, gross to many Americans. The pumps in Europe are not nearly as filthy as the ones here are which I think hurts the diesel's image.

      I would be willing to bet that if the buyer didn't have to touch the pump they would be more apt to look at a diesel and it's mileage benefits. They may even be willing to pay a small premium for that service if the gains in mileage were good enough.

      Just a thought I had while reading the article.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I do own a diesel truck. A 2006 GMC Duramax Sierra 3500 I use to tow a trailer with for work (used car wholesales and I buy and sell cars in and around Michigan) so I am familiar with diesel pumps here in Michigan as well as in Ohio, Indiana and Illinois and they are filthy. I've put 60,000 miles on the truck since I bought it in October of 2007 so I have seen my share of pumps and the diesel pumps are almost always dirtier. Most have a thick grime on the concrete in front of them and the pump handles often have a film on them. I do buy gas from stations near the expressway since that's where I'm doing most of my driving so maybe more suburban pumps are better.

        So I don't think my question is bs.

        As for diesel sales in general would I be wrong to say they make up a small percentage of total auto sales? Diesels make up about 25% of VW's sales but VW has a U.S. market share of less than 2%. VW is without question the diesel leader but the volume is undeniably low.

        Chevy can't keep the Camaro on the lots either but I wouldn't say that's any idication of a wide demand for a two seat sports coupe. When you say VW is selling more diesels than Honda is selling Insights is that all TDI models? If so I don't think it's a fair comparison to pit a whole range of models to one model that is new to the market.

        My point is diesels, no matter how well they sell for VW are still a niche model. If people didn't have to deal with the real or imaginary issues of diesels would they be more popular? I tend to think they would and you would see more mainstream models like the Camry, Accord and Fusion offer a diesel option.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Diesels make up a small portion of the market because vw's been the only brand selling them, worldwide diesels do fine. Americans are ignorant in general to cars and non enthusiastic. VW's moving mostly jettas, and some tiguans. The point is, I've been driving a diesel car for years and years, initially i had my doubts, researched them, and realized all the ignorant old wives tales were just that and couldn't be happier.

        VW doesn't need to do anything, or BMW They're selling fine. Americans that get it will get it and will purchase the cars, those that don't will be stuck with boring hybrids or uninspiring low hp petrol engines, that's their prerogative.

        I think it's just safe to say (as assumed) the situations are different in Michigander and California, both in terms of public understanding and purchasing of diesel cars and the general condition of gas stations, not having a harsh winter helps to keep things cleaner on this side of the continent. We're also talking two vastly different states in terms of readyness to purchase the best car for the situation regardless of brand and heavy american purchasing for reasons of pride and faux patriotism so the reticence back east in many states to bring views on diesel up to speed with reality on the part of the average consumer isn't a shock, there's not a huge need when people are buying with the notion they're keeping a family member et-al employed and that's one of their major concerns.

        I compared it to the insight for a few reasons, they cost fairly close (and prius), they all get pretty good mileage, and all provide an alternative from petrol power. The golf tdi is, obviously, the most fun to drive of the bunch and for the extra coin provides a much nicer interior in terms of refinement and fit and finish.
        • 6 Years Ago
        no. vw can't keep the tdi's on the lot, they're selling more of them then bmw is all mini models and more tdis than honda will sell insights in the first year. i'm not sure what group you're talking about but according to vw's sales and stock, people are buying them, all over all the time. As someone who's owned one for going on 7 years now i'm also unclear what you're talking about. I've never experienced a pump dirtier than it's petrol equivalent, ever. Do you current own a diesel car/truck? Has this been a major issue for you? A lot of times I hear these questions being asked by people with out direct experience (just like the rhetorical “I wonder if they’d sell more if you could easily find diesel” bs question).
        • 6 Years Ago
        You say BMW's Diesels are selling fine? The $3000 they are putting on the hood of even the excellent 335d seems to say otherwise.

        I think you kind of go overboard here. Is it not possible to stick to the facts? There's a lot of good things to say about Diesels without having to make stuff up too.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Michgan's climate can be very harsh in both the winter and summer months. In the summer we get quite a bit of rain and the winters can be brutal.

        I don't know about a VW TDI in the winter because I've never driven one but the GMC can be a real pain to start on a cold morning. When I say cold I mean between 0 and 15 degrees and sometimes colder. I usally plug in the heater the night before when it's that cold but sometimes I forget and it usally takes a few minutes to start after I plug it in. That was an issue with previous diesel models at least in colder climates I'm sure they've gotten better but they need to be much, much better at that. I know that plays in peoples heads here. The few diesel cars I see (mostly Audi's here) often have a little plug sticking out of the lower fascia and people just don't want to be bothered with plugging their car in. (Don't get me started on the Volt!)

        I don't think it's faux patriotism that fuels domestic car sales in Michigan at all. It's the fact people will buy the brand they work for. They buy the brand for a few reasons beyond that as well. Most notably the employee discount that basically sells the employee a car at near cost. Dealers cannot even buy cars as cheap as domestic brand employee's so that's the biggest reason. In Tennessee there are plenty of Nissans because of their presence in that state and Subarus are found by the buckets around the Layfayette area in Indiana because of the Subaru plant in the region. So I think it's more about getting a deal and driving what you work for than just a blind "buy American" mantra. Although if you ask many UAW members around here who they work for they don't say 'Ford' or 'GM'. Many will say 'I work for the UAW' so maybe the UAW should build a diesel car!

        As for hybrids I don't really care for them because I don't do a lot of city driving so the gain is minimal at best. I think that is true for most Americans since we are a nation of commuters. We drive further to work than most countries yet we have this affection for hybrids that work best in city driving, like they have in Japan. That doesn't make much sense but kudos to Toyota for making us a whole, think we need them.

        Speaking of hybrids I do get a kick out of the VW commercials with the guy making the hybrid sound!
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm thinking about getting a Jetta TDI Sportwagon. In fact, the only thing holding me back is the "reliability" issue.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I must have lucked out with two 99.5 Golfs, one that I currently own (218k miles all original down to the clutch) and my previous TDI Golf. Bulbs burning out rather frequently (headlight, tailight and HVAC) have been one of very few factory issues with these two VW's for me. The other being a degraded EGR solenoid vacuum hose. The one built in Germany seems to have fewer bulb issues compared to the one made in Brazil. Could just be suppliers.

        I was just reading a test where on average, the current Jetta TDI achieves 10 more MPG than a 4 cylinder Accord. I've added a re-flash and larger injector nozzles to a TDI, and it made for an immense response and acceleration improvement. At the same time, flying around So. Cal. in stop and go and I cannot average less than 40 MPG.

        To the poster with a bad Mark IV GTI experience, I didn't think the GTI of that generation had a 2.0 engine. It was 1.8 turbo or 2.8 VR6, wasn't it?

        If you told me I could buy a Civic, Corolla etc. and turn the key and go for 250k with oil and gas - I wouldn't be interested honestly. I can swing into an autozone and add a bulb and perform the timing belt changes myself, no problem. The torque, economy, body integrity, quality of materials and overall road feel make the maintenance I've experienced completely worth it - and the re-sale value reflects this.

        • 6 Years Ago
        JB, did you go down and ask a tech?

        Here's what my tech friend had to say about the issue, his exact words:
        I find the jettas have much worse build quality. More problems from jettas that are careless or just not looked at well enough.

        Body panels: Jettas have misaligned doors, uneaven gaps, larger gaps than the rabbit/gti.

        Electrical: I've seen more disconnected aux adaptors from jettas than...Well, i've NEVER seen a disconnected connector on a GTI/rabbit from the factory...ONLY jetta. Jettas door skin bolts back out because they are not tight. Jettas have come with wrong modules coded to the wrong car.

        VW threatened to shut down the Mexican plant because of the quality of work coming out. It seems to have worked, as the quality is improving, especially over the Mk4.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Electric systems are VW's fallback. That being said, most of its quirks are pretty easily managed. VW reliability hasn't kept me up at night, and this will be my second Golf that I will have driven into the ground with significant drive times in between them. (The first was a 1990, the current is a 2002.)
        • 6 Years Ago
        Well, the reliability is middle of the pack.

        The problem is that VW USA seems to have a "if we screw the customer out of warranty repairs, we make more money" philosophy and it shows.

        Thus, if you do decide on the TDI, peruse all the "this is correct combination of threats I used to get my dealer to actually do the warranty repair" stories on VW Vortex and download your boilerplate forms to the Better Business Bureau from the consumerist blog.
        • 6 Years Ago
        The Jettas are Mexican built and have proven to be less reliable than the German-built cars (Golf, etc). Before anyone gives me crap about this, go to your local VW dealer and ask a tech where most of their income comes from.

        That being said, the reliability of the newer generations of VWs has gone up phenomenally, Jetta included. I really wouldn't have any reserves about the reliability. In fact, I haven't - I bought a new 08 Rabbit and then traded it for a new 08 GTI.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I did indeed. I'm not saying VW is a saint by any means. All manufacturers have their flaws. I don't mean to make it sound like the German cars are perfect and the Mexican cars fall apart in a year, so don't take it that way. But the numbers show that there is a slightly higher failure rate amongst the Mexican assembled cars than the German ones. They had to do a recall on all DSG Jettas because..... of an assembly error!

        VW isn't perfect. Nobody is. VW used to be bad. Real bad. They've stepped it up a lot, on both the Mexican and German sides. It's not engineered perfect. Very few cars are. But VW is back on the same level as other manufacturers now, whereas 6-7 years ago they simply were not.

        But, go ahead and ask someone who fixes VWs which VWs break the most. They'd know best, wouldn't they?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Audi's reliability also went into the crapper, and (at the time) all Audis were made in Germany (West Germany!).

        Plus, the problems I've had with my 2000 A6 are not due to how it was put together. A Mexican assembly worker didn't decide to make the window lockout button on the A4 and A6 rely on a piece of spring steel less than double the width of a human hair. A Mexican assembly worker didn't select fuel level sensors that crapped out when faced with sulfur in the gas (as in all areas of the US outside of California). More importantly, a Mexican assembly worker didn't select replacement fuel level sensors to install during that recall that STILL had the problem!

        People want to make a lot of excuses for VW, but largely their problems have been their own, in the early 2000s they seemed to have a huge problem with selecting lousy subassemblies for their vehicles. They seemed to get carried away with the idea of saving money through outsourcing. And no matter how well (or poorly) those subassemblies were bolted on, they still were bound to fail.

        In the first 3 years I had my A6, it only once went an oil change interval (six months) without the check engine light coming in and the car having to be brought in to fix it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Reliability issues? What issues have you personally had with a TDI? All of mine have been flawless, easily the most reliable engines VW produces. Not that it matters the way TDIs are flying off the lots.
        • 6 Years Ago

        did you read the experience with my GTI that was made in Germany. It was pretty much the same stuff as everybody else was experiencing. And yes my car came with a disconnected headlight (!), and started rattling very early on. The issue was not the source of the build, it was the engineering and the sourcing of the parts as shown by why not the LS2LS7?
        I know that some people will idolize anything because it's made in Germany, but the fact and the matter is that for the Mk IV it really did not make a difference. As you astutely mentioned, the Mk V does not seem to have as many problem : is that because it was made in Germany? No, it was because VW decided to tighten things up, and regardless of the origin, the reliability imporved. Amazing eh?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Eh, I think that's pretty extreme. The horror stories you hear about are mostly dealer service, and that is something you should definitely look in to. It's not really VWoAs fault as much as the dealers. I personally have had no problems with any warranty claims on my heavily modified GTI. Most dealers might give you a harder time if you've got a modified vehicle, but if you find a good dealer in your area (ask around, vwvortex is a great resource), then you should have 0 problems.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "The Jettas are Mexican built and have proven to be less reliable than the German-built cars (Golf, etc). Before anyone gives me crap about this, go to your local VW dealer and ask a tech where most of their income comes from."

        Yes I will give you crap because this is completely untrue. My 99.5 GTI was made in Germany and was an utter lemon, just like many many of the Mark IV. Let's face it, it was not where it was built, it was how it was engineered, and more importantly, how corners were cut. I had the 2.0L engine with the infamous oil leak that wasn't according to VW. Except that a good VW tech told me later that the pistons were not assembled correctly, in GERMANY. Then the starter failed, the window fell into the door, the cat conv failed (thanks to the oil leak that wasn't), the check engine light came many many a times. Once I had my car for 7 (that's SEVEN) weeks (that's WEEKS) at the VW dealer, who could not get fix my poor running car. Neither could VW actually. Or so they claimed until they accepted to send an über guru to my dealer who finally made it drivable.
        VW deservebly has got a horrible rap from the Mark IV cars (in the US and in Europe btw). Things have improved since I think, although the electrical seems still a little flaky, and I am not ready yet to get burn again as much as like their offering.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Agreed, the TDI engines are bulletproof. I have a friend with one, she's had 0 issues. I'd personally opt for the 6 speed over the DSG, in terms of reliability, personal preference, and maintenance costs.
      • 6 Years Ago
      hey- am i the only one that thinks this golf is too pricey?

      the tdi trim is over four thousand dollars more than a base model. i thought diesel golfs were supposed to be affordable...
        • 6 Years Ago
        You are not the only one. I was waiting for Golf TDI, placing high on my list, but at this pricing it drops off the list. I drive under 10K/year so a $4000 premium will never be recovered. I don't want the extra options, they are just extra padding. The base model has all the options I want.

        During all this I compared the TDI to gas cars. I have a Consumer Reports (CR) subscription and prefer it's rating EPA number. Diesel fans claim EPA underrates diesels, but looking at CR numbers I see similar under-rating of highway MPG the way Diesel fans typically report. Highway trips.

        CR gets 47mpg on a highway run with the TDI. Very good number. But this is a straight highway run. Note that a Civic EX 4 door/1.8L AT gets 43mpg on this test.

        47mpg with an expensive diesel and VW reliability, or 43mpg for thousands less on regular gas, with Honda reliability. Simple choice for me.

      • 6 Years Ago
      Aw shucks, the read link now takes you to the Rabbit site.

      Oh well, I made my perusal last night. Pretty awesome stuff.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I would have to say what kept me from buying a VW the last time is the same thing that will keep me from buying one in the future, my local dealer. While there are a good number in Atlanta the only one convenient to me is in Marietta and are just rip off artists.

      The funny thing is, their sister dealership which sells Mazda's is a nice as can be.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Bummer. I bought my 335i 7 months ago and couldn't hold out any longer as my son was killing my back getting him in the cooper. God how I'd love a TDI in the Golf's small, neat hatchbacky package.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Uh oh... DeJaVu.. this only happens when they change something in the MATRIX.
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