• Jan 2, 2014
2010 Ford Mustang GT - Click above for high-res gallery

We're hoping there's some "there there" with this one, but here goes. Car & Driver went down to the GingerMan Raceway in South Haven, Michigan where they ran into some Ford engineers with a few pre-production 2011 Mustangs. Aside from some adjustable shocks (which C&D feels are most likely just for development), the big difference was the tires on one of the mules.

Pirelli P Zero Corsa R-compounds, to be precise, in place of the "regular" P Zeros found on 2010 Track Packers. In other words, pure supercar. In fact, those tires come stock on the Lambo LP560-4, for instance. The question then becomes, why would a Mustang need honest to goodness supercar meat? One explanation is that Ford is just playing around with different tire compounds. Another though, is much more interesting.

C&D claims that the Corsa R-compound car was lapping the 1.88 mile track just as quickly as the current BMW M3 they brought along. But how could a 315 hp car keep up on a track with a 414 hp car? Weight? Maybe, because the Mustang weighs about 200 pounds less than the M3. Don't say torque, because the Mustang only beats the M3 by 25 lb-ft there. Tires? Well maybe, but the Michelin Pilot Sport 2s on the Bimmer are pretty sticky in their own right. Despite all that, 414 horses should have cleaned up.

Well, what if the 2011 Mustang Mule with the fancy tires had a 5.0-liter, 32-valve DOHC Coyote engine kicking out 400+ hp and 400+ torques. The world's worst kept secret engine could also explain the similar lap times. Now dig this, there's also a small possibility that the white mule depicted in the article -- the one that appears to be missing a tailpipe -- isn't a V8 at all, but is instead an EcoBoosted V6 model. Did the car C&D ran into have the new 5.0-liter Ford V8 or the blown six? They didn't say. But if they saw the adjustable shocks that means they saw the hood up.



[Source: Car & Driver]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      "Ford needs a car to go up against the Vette ZR-1, Viper ACR, and GTR!"

      They probably don't. It's a tiny market segment that usually loses money. (TimO)

      TimO-I have 2 words that will answer your request: Super Snake. In it's most potent form it will belt out around 725hp....of course if you use those 725 ponies to their fullest potential, you will not have any rear tires left ;)
      • 5 Years Ago
      With all the hype over the new 'stang, i wish they'd put the GT500 on the Nurburgring (and also take off the stupid speed limiter) to compare ring times againts other super car ring times... after all, the Ford GT isn't being produced anymore, so Ford needs a car to go up against the Vette ZR-1, Viper ACR, and GTR!
        • 5 Years Ago
        I don't think GT500 is in the same class as ZR-1 and Viper ACR.
        Unless they're ready to put proper test-driver behind the wheel (instead of a journalist) they better avoid the Ring.
        JMO
        • 5 Years Ago
        what is this new T bird in '12?

        first i have heaing of it
        • 5 Years Ago
        On the Viper, ZR-1, blah blah, thing. Remember it MAY happen. 2012 has been already slated the "Year of the Thunderbird." And it is confirmed that it will be a 2-seater. Who knows, old roots may actually turn the T-Bird into a Corvette-killer.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Here naggs. This should clear things up a bit. Just rumors from what I understand, but if it is true, it is a tightly-closed seal of a secret at Ford. The 2 links in the first post are similar but explain a bit better.

        http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f57/2012-year-thunderbird-67361/
        • 5 Years Ago
        Ford wouldn't do it because the GT500 would get outclassed. The GT500 is a fine car but not a track oriented one like the ZR1 and especially the ACR. Besides, most of the people who buy Mustangs care more about 1/4 mile times than Nurburgring times.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "Ford needs a car to go up against the Vette ZR-1, Viper ACR, and GTR!"

        They probably don't. It's a tiny market segment that usually loses money.

        Ford's doing a great job of building modern cars that people want to buy. Their domestic competition can't really say the same thing.

        Don't get me wrong; I worship the GT and wish Ford could/would play in that arena, but it's probably note a wise business decision.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I'm with naggs, I haven't heard anything about a new T-bird...although I think that would be pretty cool
      • 5 Years Ago
      So are they idiots who can't count?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Can I get a body kit upgrade to get rid of the fugly plastic trim on the bumper?
      I thought Ford got it right with the mustang. The 2010 really disappointed me..
      Anyway, the track upgrade would make the car nicer, but I REALLY doubt it can beat a M3, seriously.
      • 5 Years Ago
      "But if they saw the adjustable shocks that means they saw the hood up." You cannot see the dampers with the hood up, you need to look through the wheel well. It is also possible they saw the rear dampers.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The 2011 5.0 Liter Mustang will make Meatloaf of the Camaro; it's going to be H$ll on wheels literally both in handling terms and pure acceleration. I'll bet they come in at 415 or so HP-hold the weight down and it's going to be hard to beat at any price.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I just love the fact that Ford brings back a true 5.0 engine and everyone still complains! LOL You just cant please everyone. It is enevitable that the entry Mustang will get the ecoboost engine and the GT will get the coyote, these are exciting times. I know the Camaro Fan boys will hiss at me for this, but I see the Camaro SS taking 2nd place to the Mustang GT next year. Ford has always had the moves, but not as much power now the times are even
        • 5 Years Ago
        As a Ford Fan and a 93 Fox Body owner ...I am really glad to see the return of the 5.0 ....but ...I dont think this will be the entry level v8 engine just yet ...as history shows Ford likes to release a special editions ..which I think the BOSS 302 is next. So this new engine will be limited to the BOSS until 2014 when they are scheduled for a re-design. This allows them to make a little extra money by making them "exclusive". At least thats my two cents (even though Im hoping they make the 5.0 the standard v8)
      • 5 Years Ago
      I always had faith in the mustang, and now they're really making good on the name
      • 5 Years Ago
      Hey Ford:

      Since the Mustang has 4 wheels...how about treating them...oh I don't know...independently?

      I know such a modern idea is something you would run away from choosing to saty in the dark ages with your new products...but if your hateful, lumbering SUVs can manage to have IRS (where it doesn't belong)...you think MAYBE, the Mustang could get it?

      Or do you prefer having pitiful handling numbers without special enhancements like silly track packs and such?
        • 5 Years Ago
        Same old dead horse beating the same old dead horse.
        • 5 Years Ago
        "IRS every other modern sports car has been using it has been for years maybe even decades"

        COME ON FORD!!! Where's the engineering???
        • 5 Years Ago
        Matt:

        Did you know that for performance reasons a LRA is better then a IRS. Even on a road course. IRS has this little thing called Wheel Hop, a lot of race teams are going back to LRA. They are stronger and better for racing then a IRS, sure IRS has a much better ride. I love how the current Mustang handles almost as well as the Camaro with the LRA.
        • 5 Years Ago
        bobby1234 - skidpad grip has almost nothing to do with solid axles or irs. It's how wide and sticky the tires are.
      • 5 Years Ago
      OKay, I'm confused. I could've sworn that after months and months of "rumors" that the Coyote was confirmed for 2011. So I don't get why this article is written in a way that makes it sound like it's still speculation.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Hopefully the new 5.0 won't gouge the price into the 30K range.
        • 5 Years Ago
        28800 isn't 30K, If they take the price up to SS and R/T range, Ford will probably lose more sales.
        • 5 Years Ago
        They wont lose sales if the introduce the ecoboost....
      • 5 Years Ago
      EcoBoost Mustang would be awesome.

      The boost PSI must be high. Looking at the EcoBoost V6 vs the Normally Aspirated V6, they are able to squeeze an additional 90 hp. It looks like their I4 engines can hit almost 300 hp. And those are only 2.0L. Subaru squeezes 300hp out of a 2.5L.

      I know that Ford must have really spent time engineering these EcoBoost engines, but couldn't a high boost PSI damage the engine over time. I don't know exactly what technology these engines have, but I do know that a high boost PSI can be bad for the engine. These engines probably require synthetic oil. VW 2.0L engines require synthetic, and they only hit 200 hp.
        • 5 Years Ago
        VW engines requiring synthetic, I would call bullshit on. The 2.0T is not high boost. 200hp from a 2.0 isn't really high output...civics and RSX's do it NA, and Mitsubishi had a 200hp 2.0T back in 1989, with a bump to 210hp in 1995. And that was on about 7psi, 8.5:1 C/R. All of those ran perfectly fine with good old fashioned dino oil. For that matter, the evo cranks out 280 from a 2.0T.
        • 5 Years Ago
        300hp isn't extraordinary for a 4cyl of that size. The road-going RS200 produced 250hp nearly a quarter century ago. Subaru and Mitsubishi have gotten around 300hp from their 2.0 liter motors for quite some time. Remember, the Subaru EJ25T was a creation for the American market. The 2.0 liter EJ20T was the JDM engine of choice, and was rated at 276hp (due to the Japanese automakers' gentleman's agreement), though actual hp figures, especially for special-edition models like the STI Type RA Spec C, easily climbed above 300hp. I'm glad to see Ford moving in a direction where they're willing to use smaller forced induction motors to increase performance while simultaneously decreasing fuel consumption. I would certainly welcome the return of a track-ready Mustang SVO.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Jim,

        I forgot that these engines were direct injection. That would explain the horsepower increase over their naturally aspirated V6.



        • 5 Years Ago
        "The boost PSI must be high."

        12 psi on the Taurus SHO, and 10.0:1 compression.

        "Looking at the EcoBoost V6 vs the Normally Aspirated V6, they are able to squeeze an additional 90 hp."

        you also have to account for the standard 3.5 being port injection, and the "ecoboost" being direct injection.
        Carlos
        • 5 Years Ago
        There are numerous other reasons why the turbocharged engine is making more hp then the naturally aspirated version. Not to mention it is on the conservative side, I'm sure with some tuning this engine could easily break 400whp.
        • 5 Years Ago
        An EcoBoost Mustang would open such a HUGE market. That would translate over to the Taurus and maybe even the Flex, not to mention the Lincoln counterparts. I would love to see such blown-V6 love.
        • 5 Years Ago
        You should run synthetic anyway, lower frictional losses and increased lifetimes. I ran my Intrigue on 12k Amsoil changes (til some B totaled it).
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