• Aug 7th 2009 at 7:58PM
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Must. Beat. Godzilla. For some reason. Here's the skinny. A tuner company called East Texas Muscle Cars is fitting a couple of turbos to a 2010 V6 Camaro in order to "beat" the 'Ring time laid down by none other than the Nissan GT-R. That leaves us with two questions then: how and why?

Lots of folks are going to buy V6 Camaros, grok the 304 hp V6, scratch their heads and say, "More power." In other words, there's a market. ETMC will rip the guts come out of the 3.6-liter LLT and throw in forged rods, crank and pistons. And then, of course, you get the two Squires Turbo Systems turbos. These are remote-mounted turbos that bolt up under the car near the exhaust. With such a system, you're basically trading a bit of lag for increased cooling and no need to mess around with new headers. East Texas thinks they can wring 500 horses out of the system no problem.

Then there's the matter of dealing with the stock Camaro's "tremendous understeer and cradle walk." That's pretty necessary if you want to do battle with a R35, which neither understeers nor cradle walks nor really does anything bad or sloppy. East Texas Muscle Cars will be addressing those issues via harder bushings and Pedders coil-overs, along with a Baer big brake kit and lightweight forged 20-inch wheels.

Then there's the question: Why? Why go after Godzilla, such a high profile target? Unless you're building Clubber Lang, why call out Rocky? Publicity, obviously. Would we even be writing about a bolt-on turbo kit for a V6 Camaro unless they publicly challenged one of the production car 'Ring masters? Probably not. But there is one part of their scheme that we do like. Once the Camaro is finished, ETMC will be flying it and a friend's stock GT-R out to Germany to run 'em both simultaneously. Since that's the case, no need to even mention the inherent fallacy of Nurburgring lap records. Good luck boys.

[Source: Inside Line]

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      • 6 Years Ago
      I need to dig up the magazine that said it, but I thought the R35 GT-R understeered like a pig when taken to it's limits?

      Also, what exactly is "cradle walk?" I've never heard that term before.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I've read where the Camaro handles like a pig.

        "It's a pig."

        PJ Jones
        Automobile Magazine September 2009; Vol. 24, No. 6
        • 6 Years Ago
        My guess is crade walk refers to the inhernet shifting of the engine cradle due to suspension load. Like most cars it's probably bolted to the unibody and insulated by rubber bushings (the post makes a reference to harder bushings being installed).
        Must be pretty bad if you or I have never heard of it before. Especially if it's bad enough to be felt when cornering hard.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Really? From what I've read, in most articles, the GTR handles very well around the corners. But I wouldn't mind reading a counter example. Can you find and post the link of the said article pretty please?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Front engine, 4WD GT-R is not so stable car like Midship engine car. beacuse front is so heavy.
        • 6 Years Ago
        MotorTrend, February 2009, Page 48.

        "But mostly it understeers like a pig." says Didier Theys.

        This was the "War of the Worlds" comparo, where they ran a ZR1, Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, GT-R, and Porsche GT2.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Chevy already has the 'ring "record" for a production car.The GTR has no record. http://blogs.edmunds.com/straightline/2009/07/gt-r-sets-new-nurburgring-time-still-slower-than-zr1.html

      The ZR1 is currently at 7:22.4, which is 4 seconds or so faster than the GTR. http://motorgears.blogspot.com/2008/10/new-zr-1-nurburgring-laptime-chevrolets.html

      Its more accurate to talk about the GTR ring "time", impressive as it is for a production car, it isn't the record.
        • 6 Years Ago
        The ACR is a production car, and is faster than the ZR1.

        Also, the 7:22 time for the ZR1 was an internet hoax. Follow the links and you'll find that it goes to a forum that sites another forum that sites the former forum.

        GM confirmed in a press release that the ZR1 had not returned to the 'Ring.

        Even autoblog retracted it after it was proven as unverified. 7:26 it remains.

        • 6 Years Ago

        I think the article is talking about the GTR's own time record, not any record set by any car. Although anything under 7:40 is pretty blazing, I think we ALL know it isn't the record out of any car.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Lol wut
      • 6 Years Ago
      I am not going to say it is not going to happen but this is an uphill battle for the tuner, you dont just slap a turbo on a Camaro and make as fast around a track as the GTR.
      • 6 Years Ago
      looks cool.
      • 6 Years Ago
      hundreds of engineers working on GT-R vs. couple shop guys from Texas? street legal production car vs. shop modified machine for the track? I'd like to root for the small team.. but not this case. just a publicity stunt that will not live up to its fame. Good luck!
      • 6 Years Ago
      Sorry Texas tuner, but the whole point of a production lap record is that it be done with a PRODUCTION CAR. There's plenty of tuned cars that beat the GTR at the 'ring already.
        • 6 Years Ago
        exactly tankdog....what a bunch of idiots...waste of time, i mean best of luck to them
      • 6 Years Ago
      First off, let me say I love the Camaro. I think GM pulled off a coup with the Camaro, considering what has been a brutal couple of years.

      Having said that, the Camaro has no chance. They could affix two giant, hairdryer-sized turbos on that engine (and why the hell would one put them under the car, near the exhaust?!), strip every last ounce of unnecessary weight and tighten its suspension up like spandex does a fat girl. It will not run the 'Ring anywhere near 7:29.
      If they managed to break 8:00, I'd be utterly flabbergasted.
      • 6 Years Ago
      rear mount turbos!! thats not hard you can do that on pretty much anything. put the turbos where there supposed to go on the collector of the exhaust manifold!!! none-the-less finaly someones steping up to the plate with the v6
      • 6 Years Ago
      No. I doubt it'll beat it around the corners but maybe on straight lines. It can totally beat it in a straight line if they use the LS 8 block though...
        • 6 Years Ago
        That's nonsense. A powerful car has an advantage and makes use of its power coming out of every corner on the track you have to slow down. That's every non-sweeper on a track, which is almost all of them on the N-Ring.

        Sharp corners as the ring have favor power, because yes, you lose a little more speed in the corners, but you make it up quickly again on the way to the next.

        In general, the more time you spend on the throttle, the more time it is useful to have more HP. And the ring is a ton of corners you are slowing for and hammering it out of.

        It's more of a power track than a handling track. I'm not saying handling doesn't matter, but powering out of the corners matters more. In a high-speed sweeper, a good handling car could go 15% faster, that might be the difference between 80mph and 92mph for a sweeper that lasts 10-15 seconds. In a sharp corner, a better handling car might go 35 instead of 30 for a corner that lasts 2 seconds. Once you get past the apex, power is useful again, and these corners are sharp enough that you are on the gas really quickly.

        No one said most corners on the Ring are taken 'flat-out' except you. So who are you saying is wrong here?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Actually, the 'Ring is a very power-oriented track. It doesn't have enough mid-speed sweeper to penalize heavy cars with big motors. And it has a straight over a mile long and two uphill straights.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You say I said virtually all the corners on the Ring can be taken flat-out. You're mistaken or a liar. I recommend you recheck what you think you read.

        I find it bizarre you think I'm that stupid.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You completely miss the point. My point is not that the track doesn't have corners, my track is tight corners such as the track has actually favor power cars, because you need to get your speed back after leaving the corner. Yeah, you might be able to take a corner at 40 instead of 30 in a better cornering car. But you aren't going to want to do 40 all the way to the next corner. You're going to want to accelerate, and you'll find the power car passing you up rapidly since it does so more quickly.

        Sweepers favor momentum racers. Tight corners do not.

        It's kinda funny, I was just watching the Tesla Roadster versus Lotus Elise thing on Top Gear. Watching the Elise quickly pass the Roadster in a corner combination because the Roadster is too heavy and can't corner. But very quickly out of the corner, the Elise is looking at the taillights of the Roadster again, because it's you don't have to be on a straight to use power, you can use it coming out of a corner too. But hey, I'm wrong, aren't I?

        Power and cornering both matter. But all you have to do is watch the Audi R15 or R10 versus an Acura LMP1 car in ALMS to see that the heavier, less well handing car doesn't automatically lose to the lighter, better cornering car. It depends on the track, and on the N-Ring, power pays off handsomely.
        • 6 Years Ago
        It is about 60% handling advantage and 40% acceleration advantage.

        Just over 3 minutes when a car with a superior acceleration would have any advantage whatsoever. And that's being extremely generous.

        The other 4 minutes are slowing down for, going through, or transitioning from sweepers, hairpins, chicanes, etc where the driver is at partial throttle and/or braking for those turns.

        A car with better cornering speeds has about 25% more time to make up time it loses in flat-out acceleration.

        To say that most of the corners on the 'Ring are taken 'flat-out' is a flat-out lie. They aren't speeding up or slowing down for many of them, but that isn't 'flat-out' by any stretch of the meaning. They are taken with a light foot to keep a good line. A faster cornering car WILL make up time for the majority of the course.

        A car with lesser power could do quite well on the Ring if it corners a great deal faster. Therefore, it isn't a 'power course.'

        • 6 Years Ago

        What you're calling nonsense is the way it is.

        There are MANY areas that between the corners the driver cannot accelerate AT ALL!

        Almost all of the Ring's corners are in sections where you have to transition from left-right-left, or left-left-right- or right-left-right.... you get the idea. And then a strait.

        "A powerful car has an advantage and makes use of its power coming out of every corner on the track you have to slow down."

        This is not true about this track. At all. You're being quite ridiculous to even remotely imply that after EVERY corner the driver gets to apply enough throttle to give an ADVANTAGE to a more powerful car.

        If you had said after every 2-5 corner section, the more powerful car will be able to accelerate and make up a small amount of time, that's true.

        "Once you get past the apex, power is useful again, and these corners are sharp enough that you are on the gas really quickly.

        No one said most corners on the Ring are taken 'flat-out' except you. So who are you saying is wrong here?"

        No, sure you need to add power, but unless you are adding nearly ALL of it, you're not going to have an ADVANTAGE versus a less powerful car.

        And this happens on basically NO corners on the Ring. They usually come in 2-3 in series, followed by a strait. The time spent NOT accelerating on the Ring actually exceeds the time spent accelerating.

        I'm quoting YOU from a previous conversation we've had on this topic. You once said almost all corners on the Ring can be taken nearly flat-out. This isn't the first time you've generalized things about corners, that aren't true at the North Loop.

        There is literally more time on the Ring where the car is decelerating or moving at low-medium speed NOT using its power advantage.

        I'm not only saying you're wrong, calling the 'Ring a power track is ignorant.

        • 6 Years Ago
        I highly recommend you review this video:


        That's a VERY powerful car, so it is spending the minimum time accelerating (basically it "eats up the straights"). Now listen to it. Pay attention to the places where it is accelerating, but not at full bore. Yes, there are a couple spots, a few sweepers (plus the bowls), and a few spots where there are combinations (especially right at the start). There are not a lot of places with combinations as you say, most just spots where you drive a corner out-in-out and drive straight (and on the gas) to the next one to take it out-in-out too. It mostly is corner to corner racing. From the apex, the throttle is hammered almost immediately and kept there until it reaches the next real corner (a few in the middle can indeed be cut at very high speed). Try not to get distracted by places where you see the ZR1 braking, as all cars have to brake for these sharp corners, you're not going to take a corner at 90mph when another car has to slow to at 50mph.

        Due to a combination of a lot of corner-to-corner racing, plus several uphill straights and a ludicrously long one, the Nordschliefe is a track that is very receptive to power.

        I honestly don't know why I even bother arguing this. Pretty much everything is a power car now anyway. People aren't driving Caterhams, and as much as Lotus would like to be a big factor, Elises and Exiges are not the norm either. Modern grip and power has brung everything a light car gets except dartiness, and when you're driving alone on a track, dartiness doesn't matter as you plan all your moves in advance. The days of a 4-banger M3 are gone. It was an I6 10 years ago and it's a V8 now. Power is wa up, weights are way up, grip is way up and lap times (even at the Nordschliefe) are way down.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Why won't it beat in the corners? The car they have are building won't be remotely daily drivable or likely even street legal for that matter. With racing spec suspension, brakes, and tires; the Camero will more than likely out handle a stock R35. With so much modifications, its more like running a GT3 spec Mustang with the GT-R, and the Mustang will most definitely win. Really rather a pointless competition and pure PR. And like LS2LS7 said, the 'Ring is definitely a more power oriented high speed circuit.
      • 6 Years Ago
      ^^^ that might a problem for you..but not for most of us.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Nice to see them running a stock machine against a stock machine to establish who had the faster car. Oh... wait...
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