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To repeat one particular bit of news that's been playing over and over like a broken record since the modern Mini first made its appearance Stateside back in 2001 – there's little if any chance that the U.S. market will be blessed with an oil-burning Mini Cooper any time soon.

While Mini USA reportedly wants nothing more than to import the Mini D to America, the financial realities are such that the car will either cost way more than anyone is willing to pay (a ridiculous 40-50% premium is being bandied about) or sell at such a low price that Mini's German parents won't make a dime on the transaction.

That said, according to the Mini-obsessed boys at MotoringFile, it remains a possibility – however much a long-shot as it seems after all these years – that the next-generation R60 Mini could some day hit U.S. shores with an optional diesel. That would be welcome news indeed, but please excuse us for taking that tidbit with an appropriately large grain of salt.



[Source: MotoringFile]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      My question would be who these sources MotoringFile is using. Some of those numbers sound pretty SWAG-ish.

      Not saying Mini won't go this route, but the reasoning sounds a little exaggerated.
        • 5 Years Ago
        At this point, Motoringfile gets a lot of it's info from insiders at BMW.

        It's just not generally talked about.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Why is it so much more expensive to have a diesel variant imported to North America? VW gets away with about a 10-15% increase for their TDI model. There's no doubt people will pay a little more for the benefits of a diesel, but this is still a small, economical car and high pricing will turn off potential buyers.
        • 5 Years Ago
        1) the required emissions testing (including reliability testing of the emissions system) and mileage testing is very expensive. The more units you sell, the less the added cost per unit. MINI is already a niche car, so its volume is much lower than a Jetta.

        2) Diesel engines cost more than gasoline engines.

        3) VW, Mercedes, and BMW are subsidizing the cost of their diesels in the US.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The Diesel engines are very complex, which just plain makes them expensive to design and make. On top of this, Americans don't but Diesels when they show (VW seems to be a limited exception to this), so the companies have to up the premium a ton to cover these two factors. See the excellent BMW 335d with a $4500 cash rebate right now as an example of this.
      • 5 Years Ago
      USofAmericans are the ones who elect and get this crappy EPA-type laws passed for emissions. Don't bitch if you can't get your diesels. Just get the laws changed. Won't happen anytime soon if you keep electing bafoons like zerObama.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Would you rather eight more disastrous years of the village idiot's philosophy and his ilk?
      • 5 Years Ago
      That sucks, I remember reading they got over 70 mpg
        • 5 Years Ago
        in the Top Gear and Car Magzines from Europe the Diesels are rated over 70mpg.
        here click on this the Mini UK site, and click the Facts & Figures on the left and it will bring it up, but I need to fix what I said, it says 80mpg on extra urban driving.

        http://www.mini.co.uk/html/model_range/mini_cooper_d/techSpec.html

        VW makes a similar car that gets about the same mpg, but of course we don't get these cars cause America loves the SUV's.
        • 5 Years Ago
        No way they would get 70 mpg. You have to remember that 1) the EU nations use different testing regimes than the US. Euro ratings are not the same as EPA ratings. 2) The Euro ratings are much, much more optimistic than EPA ratings and do not reflect what you would see in real use.
      • 5 Years Ago
      stop screwing americans! we need diesels here, even if some of the american public doesnt think we do!
        • 5 Years Ago
        The fuel better fuel efficiencies in Europe have at least as much to do with the size of engines and size of cars as the availability of Diesels. The biggest selling car from Honda in the US is a full-sized car (Accord), the biggest selling car overall is a mid-size (Camry) and the 3rd vehicle in the top 3 is a full-sized pickup truck (F-150).

        The Camry is available with a 169HP 4-cylinder or a 270HP V6. In the UK, the top selling car (actually I think it might be #2 right now) is the Ford Mondeo, which is a mid-size (despite what wikipedia says) and is available with several gas engines from a 1.6L 109HP 4-cyl to a 2.3L 160HP 4-cyl and a range-topping 219HP 5-cylinder. And 4-cyl turbo Diesels from 100HP to 174HP.

        Diesel engines are not just as clean as gas engines. They're a lot cleaner than they used to be, but the cleanest Diesels in the US are about 3x dirtier than the cleanest gas engines (in terms of trace emissions), note this is cleaner than most gas engines were 10 years ago. But I don't see why this is something you see as so critical for Americans to turn around on. The ICE is starting to wane anyway. Hybrids are passing up gas and Diesel cars on efficiency and electric cars (if we can ever make them work) are ahead of hybrids.

        I think a lot of Americans are reticent to buy a Diesel because they cost more up front, cost more to maintain and they will have more difficulty finding fuel for it. All of these things are true, by the way, although many people grossly exaggerate the differences. But as long as these things are true, the same people who thought buying an 8-seat SUV was a great idea a few years back will also continue to look past Diesels as an option.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Most. That is why.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Jetta TDi's are being sold for 27K is Mini trying to tell me they can't sell a Cooper fo 27K?
      • 5 Years Ago
      Shame on you, BMW/MINI, for not teaming up with other diesel car manufactures and putting resources towards straightening out the stupid American politicians who make it prohibitively expensive to offer diesel cars in the United States.

      I will not buy a new car unless I can get it with a turbodiesel and proper 3-pedal manual transmission. I've been dying for a MINI Cooper D but I guess that's just not going to happen. Maybe Volkswagen will offer a Golf TDI with a manual. If so, that's what I'll buy. But ultimately, an AWD Suzuki SX4 with the Euro-market turbodiesel and 6-speed 3-pedal manual transmission is my dream car!
        • 5 Years Ago
        It's those politicians fault that BMW has to offer $4500 rebates on the 335d (an excellent car) to try to sell them?
        • 5 Years Ago

        why not the LS2LS7?:

        "It's those politicians fault that BMW has to offer $4500 rebates on the 335d (an excellent car) to try to sell them?"

        Sorry, you totally missed the point - I'm 100% with geoff.

        I take it as a personal insult the fact that BMW tells me I need tree-stump pulling torque in a relatively light family sedan. Are you calling me a toothless trailer-towing, timber-cutting hillbilly, dear BMW U.S.A.? If not, can you please explain to me for what purpose do I need 3 series sedan with more torque than any pickup truck without optional engine?

        Then comes mandatory automatic transmission. Are you calling me, dear BMW U.S.A. , an inept driver who doesn't know how to shift? Thanks, I'll buy VW and you can go f**k yourselfs.

        By the way, just read the next article on Autoblog about availability of TDI Jettas, that should tell you and, hopefully, BMW U.S.A. ,where the winds are blowing.
      • 5 Years Ago
      screw that just get a golf tdi/gti
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