• Jul 29th 2009 at 1:09PM
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For about six hours recently, a leaked (we assume it was leaked) audiotape of someone speaking with EEStor CEO Dick Weir was available on Yahoo! video. Before the video was yanked, enterprising electric car fans managed to record the audio and have made it available around the net. What's amazing about this audio recording – and our knowledgable friends at EVCast vouch for its authenticity – is that for the first time, Weir is actually forthcoming with details about his company's EESU and what will happen with the product in the very near future. Here are the highlights:
  • EEStor's contract with ZENN is for energy units that cost "$100 / kWh, excluding electronics." This is very cheap, and Weir says that, "nobody is going to compete with us. Certainly not lithium ion."
  • EEStor has produced "tens of thousands of grams" of the powder needed for the EESUs, what Weir calls "a huge amount."
  • A company called Polarity, in California, is building the circuits that will be used in the ZENN cars. Polarity is making circuits for "other customers," but ZENN gets them first.
  • EEStor is "dealing a lot with people in the electrical vehicle business."
  • "I'm really in deep with Lockheed Martin. And here's what Lockheed Martin told everybody: 'We can't guarantee this works but we can't find reason why it won't work.'"
  • Weir believes EEStor will be "the greatest capacitor company in the world"
  • Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers owns about 20 percent of EEStor, and EEStor's founders still have a controlling interest in the company.
  • ZENN's next investment round will be around $75-$80 million.
  • Weir said that his EESU's will help buffer the U.S. electric grid in a big way. "Not only are we going to give the electric vehicle market a boost but also give them the energy to run it... We make wind and solar real. If you take our batteries and those with wind and solar, what you do is amortize out the variations and make it highly stablized. You can make a wind farm look just like a coal fired plant with our batteries. And make it very cost effective."
You can read a transcript of the conversation here and listen to the full interview here.

Recently, ZENN's Ian Clifford gave an interview with GM-Volt that said the EESU packs would be coming soon and he promised, "absolutely," that demonstrations will take place in 2010. The unverified numbers we've seen about the EESU is that it could be a 52kwh pack that provides a 250-mile range. So, do you think the audio is a true leak and we're finally getting the inside scoop on EEStor or is this just more hype maintenance?

[Source: The EEStory]

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      • 6 Years Ago
      Mr. Weir talks a lot about his powder as if it is a fully functional EESU, which it is most definitely not. The powder is a necessary part of his storage unit. He has perfected a process to make the powder but he has never made a single working EESU. He has made small components which have been tested successfully at one (1) volt. To work properly his storage unit will have to store thousands of volts. There are technical problems that grow exponentially as voltage rises in capacitors. It is unlikely and possibly physically impossible for his device to work as promised. Like others said above, he hypes the successes for his powder while glossing over the failure to ever make even one storage unit. With no working model he is building a production line!! He is either delusional or a scam artist, possibly both.
        • 6 Years Ago
        You nailed it. I gave you a +.

        Any real scientist with this kind of breakthrough would be collecting his noble prize about now.

        Any real human would be deciding what to do with the Billions he could sell his company for.

        My only question is whether, Ian Clifford at Zenn, is a victim or an accomplice?
      • 6 Years Ago
      He is misinformed about lithium, there are vast salt deposits with Li in Argentina and Bolivia that have not been touched because Chile is providing all that is needed. Nano solar? Eestor? If LM can't debunk it, I can't either.
      • 6 Years Ago
      With no proof either way to go on, optimism is as valid as pessimism, and yet it seems all the pessimists have come out.
        • 6 Years Ago
        It isn't pessimism so much as historical experience. These guys have been over-promising and zero delivering for a while. On top of that, they act in such a secretive manner that nothing they say can be verified (and there are valid reasons to suspect some of their science).

        I would suspect that every single pessimist on this topic would jump for joy if these guys are able to pull off what they claim to be doing. We are just tired of hearing pie in the sky hype year after year without even a single shred of evidence showing that they are, in fact, making serious and realistic progress.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Wouldn't it just be wonderful? I think it would truly solve quite a bit of problems. I am about ready to buy batteries for my electric car.
      • 6 Years Ago
      What's new in the "leaked" interview? I see no new info... just the same old about how eestor will dominate the world with their fantasy battery....... jut more grease for the hype gears.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I Love it to be true , I can pay my bills to BC hydro than husky or perto canada :-)

      • 6 Years Ago
      People who still track this EEStor scam are no better than a Cargo Cult, waiting for a miracle to happen.

      This is a scam!

      Just my 2Cents
      • 6 Years Ago
      If what this guys claim was true, it would be an invention like the Steam engine at the era of the industrial revolution or the invention of the Otto engine that powered the 20th century. In short the Pentagon and the American Gvt would have already put tons of money in it. It mean it would be so enormous in term of market and consequences on our energy dependence, nothing would ever be the same as before. So wait and see but so far they haven't convinced the Pentagon that it could hold its promise, and I can't beleive that the pentagon hasn't look at their claim...
      • 6 Years Ago
      They have promised in their recent interviews to show a working prototype in September 2009, and say it will definitely be ready for production by the end of 2009. The investment amounts seem crazy-low to me, and I still believe this to be a massive scam. It would amazing if this all turned out to be true, and the technology really does exist. I just think they've done too much shit-spewing and kept everything too secretive for this to be the truth, however.

      If you had this technology, I would also think you'd be approaching a major automaker who has huge production capacity to get the most out of it as possible, not some joke small scale electric automaker with little resources and capital.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Scientific improbabilities aside, I purport that it is also prudent in the case of EEStor to step back and contemplate the overall patterns of human behavior.

      For example, perhaps mine is the sole voice in the wilderness, but I opine that Dick Weir, in good conscience, should have been present at the ZENN stockholders' meeting last March 25. After all, he knew that he had failed to live up to his commitment to deliver an EESU in 2007, and then again by the end of 2008. He knew that the stockholders had placed their trust in him, and helped finance his venture with their investments. He knew that those investments had taken dramatic hits because of the missed deadlines. He knew that an increasing number of OEMs were announcing EVs that could leapfrog the cityZENN's timeline. Surely he must have known that they were all growing worried and concerned.

      One would think that Dick Weir would have therefore felt obligated --simply out of empathy, courtesy, gratitude, and basic human decency-- to offer those financial backers an apology, explain the delays, reassure them of EEStor's progress, express appreciation for their support, and personally answer their questions. But he didn't do that. Instead, he let Ian Clifford and Brian Cott take the heat, as best they could, given the restrictions of the NDA he has imposed upon them.

      To me, that just wasn't... nice, let alone trustworthy. Sure, like everyone else I would love EESU to become a reality for the world's sake --but not for Dick Weir's.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I think various news sites should get together and do some serious investigative reporting (rather than just scowering the net for details).. the implications of this product, story, and company are so big that it should be hard to ignore.
      • 6 Years Ago
      What exactly means "tens of thousands of grams" - it's just tens of kilograms. How much of that (magic?) "powder" one EEEStor unit needs to be manufactured? If it's supposed to be on a market then I'd imagine material costs should be in many tons instead of tens of kilograms. Can anyone explain it to me?

      Just being a bit sceptic.
        • 6 Years Ago
        But you need less than a 1 mg sprinkle of magic fairy dust to catalyze the doorway into extra dimensional electron storage domain. (hope you don't wake Species 8472).

        10KG/1mg(sprinkle of magic fairy dust) = 10 000 000 ESU units.

        Lots of fairy dust to spare...
        • 6 Years Ago
        that comment struck me as well. 10 kilos is nothing. probably not even enough to make 1 unit!! and they thought they would be in mass production in 2007. how long are people going to buy this crap?
        • 6 Years Ago
        The powder isn't the fuel. Its more like a spark plug except with exceptional durability.
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