If that's how you feel, imagine how Hyundai dealers must feel... they've been accepting clunkers for the past couple weeks now, on the premise that they would recoup the cash they'd put out up front when the program kicked in. What're they going to do with all those 19 mpg-ers now? More importantly, where are they going to recoup their cash?

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And Saabs need a LOT of old spare parts! LOL. BTDTGTTS!

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Hell no. Are you kidding me, Lucas?

The one billion dollars is already gone. This is just the government acting like a little bitch. Updating the gas mileage on cars 15-20 years old has NO purpose other than to screw people over. These updates are bull**** and so is the program. It is the worst of both worlds. The money is gone but less cars will be sold.


So why can't I complain Lucas?

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Go get a weeping chit from the Chaplain!

Or next time vote Republican.

The Demoncrats are on a roll to get you both ways...they'll tax you if you're a productive member of society and screw you if you qualify for any handouts.

A democratic society can exist only until the people discover they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury.

Three guesses (first two wrong ønes don't count) as to what's going on!

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First, I hear taxes on the CARS rebate..and now a last minute "doctoring" on mileage.

Wonder what the next scam is...

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And not complaining either...the updated epa figures just qualified my 2000 A6 4.2 liter hog!!! Went from 19 combined to 18 combined!

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Lucas: "All you Obama haters who think this is a waste of money to begin with can not also complain about these updates! We clear?"

Ahhh, the ObamaYa strategy: cram it down everyone's throats, regardless of merit. Then, when the ol' Bait and Switcheroo hits, attack the critics even more regardless of how correct they were in the first place.

i.e. Predictable Near Future Headline: "FDA performs 11th-hour refresh that makes some patients ineligible for [insert life saving, previously affordable/insurable procedure here]"

Of course, that will be _after_ the HopeNChangeReform! has already passed.

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I need a new car, but was laid off 3 months ago from my software job and cannot find a new one even with The Great Obama's "stimulus." No job, no new car. So once I do find a new job and try to build my bank account back up and have money to buy a new car, the deal will be over. Then, over the next few years I will need to pay, in taxes, for those who were able to buy their new cars. I am not a supporter of the plan, but I would like to take advantage of it. I am screwed both ways, not able to use it, but will need to pay for others later.

Great plan there O, and I guess a thank-you, Lucas, for supporting this fool. So I will complain all I want.

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Can't have it both ways, fellas. Either you're opposed to government cheese/welfare/bailouts or not. Stop pulling a Jinal!

...and take off the tinfoil too... you really think this was a "bait and switch?" It just means there's more money for 84 K-Cars. What difference does it make, in the end?

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No tinfoil here, Lucas. I am somebody that O promised he was there for (I did not buy into it, didn't buy into McCain either), but now, even after saying his stimulus would have immediate effect - something he has back-tracked on, there are millions more like me than when he started. And that 10% unemployed is actually much higher because there are many, such as myself, who do not get unemployment.

Years ago, Bush was mocked because when unemployment was in the 5% range, the lefties said "most of those jobs are low paying jobs, like at McDonalds." Now, there are millions who would love to have even a McDonalds job. And that difference that you question - that is money I will need to pay in taxes down the road. Money, contrary to how you and O think, does not appear out of thin air. You borrow more, you pay more later. You print more, it drives up inflation causing the value of what I have left in the bank to decrease, hurting me once again.

Take the blinders off, this administration is destroying people like me. People that he so eloquently rambled on during the election saying he was here to protect.

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Cash for Clunkers ruined the economy? Let's stay on topic. Don't make this about something else to hide your hypocrisy.

You guys criticized the program at its inception and now criticize it again when you don't qualify. Have a principle and stick with it.

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Woah, now I am trying to cover up hypocracy so you start crying that we are getting off topic? That is right, blame the millions of people that have become unemployed under this administration's watch. When you take a myopic view of the world, no, this plan did not destroy the economy. If this was the only plan he had, it would not be a huge issue. But take all his "little" programs together, including ones he voted for before he became pres when he was in Democrat controlled congress (and Bush is not blameless - he should have never signed the first bailout bill) he is destorying the people he claimed to support.

Another perfect example of when it is shown to hurt the little people, the libs blame anybody but themselves. 6+ months of raising unemployment, deficits, inflation, etc, it is not the leadership (actually, lack there of) of O and the Democrat controlled Congress, it is the fault of those who are unemployed.

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We are in the second worse recession in our history, led into by a republican and all your problems are somehow directly related to Obama and his policies that have somehow managed to get the stock market higher and see new home sales increase this month?

haha, sorry silly republicans, you can't blame your woes on democrats all the time.

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Can you do anything about this? No? If it were me with a clunker and I know it's taxpayers' dollars, and me being a taxpayer too, I'd take advantage of it since i'm paying anyway...If I really was driving a clunker.

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I agree with you, and guess what I do like Obama. However, I don't always support actions of his administration. Besides often times a person in charge is making a decision which really has been made by someone else.

Anyway

1) People should not be buying more cars they should be buying less, taking on additional debt is the last thing which should be done, as unemployment has more to rise.

2) There is no such thing as a free lunch. Those liking the program ought to thank the investors who keep on buying US debt which in turn keeps rates low and gives money funds to run these programs.

3) Getting rid of good cars isn't right, I don't believe it'll do much good to the environment. Yes some metal can get recycled, but plastics, leather, fluids, rubber?

4) I wonder how many goofballs are going to skip making a $250 repair to their vehicle and instead get a new car and a monthly payment of $250 or higher.

5) In Germany the program plugged a hole in falling sales only until its funding ran out, then sales continued to decrease. So why waste money in first place?

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Oh and the entitlement mentality...it is pathetic isn't it? Pretty much justifies any sort of action in way of "hyper-materialism"

"I have a right to own a house if I want", rather than "I need to save up for a downpayment, build my credit, do due diligence, purchase in anticipatin of living in house long-term, not speculating, being honest about my income"

"I have a right to a car-rebate and free giveaways from government"

"I ought to be able to call up an ambulance if I get a minor cut on my pinkie, and get treated at hospital for free. I don't care if government costs, societal costs, additional strains on system increase"

Yep it is the ME ME ME ME generation, in words of George Carlin, "Give me that, it's MINE!"

But to add to that government does screw people out of a lot of money, and whenever they "give" us something, it is usually with short-term gain and long-term pain to us.

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