• Jul 14th 2009 at 7:56PM
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Does Shell know something about the DOE's hydrogen funding plans that others don't? Or did it forget that the Shell CEO said recently that biofuels are the future? Whatever's going in internally, the energy giant is moving forward with plans to open a series of hydrogen refueling stations in New York. Today, the company opened a second NYC station – at JFK international airport – and will break the seal on another, this one in the Bronx, later this month. An H2 station in White Plains has been open since April 2008. Shell calls it their "first cluster of hydrogen filling stations," and the stations are all about 30 miles apart. The new JFK location can be used by "agreed vehicles only."

Last year, Shell opened a combined hydrogen and gasoline refueling station in Los Angeles (pictured) and also operates stations in Tokyo, Reykjavik, Shanghai, Washington, D.C. and New York..

[Source: Shell via Green Car Congress, GM]


GM Welcomes Shell Hydrogen Station Opening at JFK

Creates First Cluster of Hydrogen filling stations

JAMAICA, New York - Shell today opened its second hydrogen filling station in the greater New York City area, providing improved access to hydrogen for drivers of fuel cell Chevrolet Equinoxes participating in Project Driveway.

Project Driveway selects consumers who sign up on the Internet in the greater New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. to participate for two months at a time in the demonstration. Chevy.com/fuelsolutions

Shell will open a third third station this summer in the Bronx in conjunction with the New York City Department of Sanitation.

Shell hydrogen station in White Plains has been operating there for more than a year, making up Shell's first cluster of hydrogen filling stations.

The station opening Tuesday at JFK International Airport is a partnership between Shell, General Motors Co., the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, and the US Department of Energy.

"These partnerships are critical to building the infrastructure that will make hydrogen a relevant alternative fuel in the future as well as a key to the ongoing success of Project Driveway," said Larry Burns, GM vice president of R&D and Strategic Planning.

The cluster of stations that will provide New York drivers of hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles with greater flexibility and convenience is a significant step on from stand-alone, demonstration stations and is part of Shell's strategy to build expertise in the distribution and dispensing of hydrogen.

"The prospects for hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles are strong in the longer-term", said Duncan Macleod, Shell vice president of Hydrogen. "This first cluster is an important step as we continue to build capability in retailing hydrogen fuel, in line with the auto makers' plans to develop hydrogen vehicles."

About General Motors: General Motors Company, one of the world's largest automakers, traces its roots back to 1908. With its global headquarters in Detroit, GM employs 235,000 people in every major region of the world and does business in some 140 countries. GM and its strategic partners produce cars and trucks in 34 countries, and sell and service these vehicles through the following brands: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, GM Daewoo, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and Wuling. GM's largest national market is the United States, followed by China, Brazil, the United Kingdom, Canada, Russia and Germany. GM's OnStar subsidiary is the industry leader in vehicle safety, security and information services. General Motors Company acquired operations from General Motors Corporation on July 10, 2009, and references to prior periods in this and other press materials refer to operations of the old General Motors Corporation. More information on the new General Motors Company can be found at www.gm.com.

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      • 6 Years Ago
      More pointless hydrogen nonsense, wasting our time and money. If commuter vehicles moved to BEV's then there would be plenty of petroleum and biofuels for trucking for a long long time, as we move more freight back to heavy rail where it should have been all along. Heck just replacing truck engine idling with bigger battery packs would save millions of gallons each year. It's a huge waste to run a huge diesel motor at idle to power lights and HVAC in a parked truck.
        • 8 Months Ago
        Good point about using diesel for parked trucks, that is why many truck stops are now offering electrical connections to power refrigeration, air conditioning, and other truck functions while parked there. It saves the trucking companies money and fuel, it is a lot quieter, and is very popular with the truckers.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Uh oh, here comes the stampede of Anti-Hydrogen Eco-Snob posts!
        • 8 Months Ago
        Natural gas is the easiest green technology. If there is not available anywhere it's because goverment folks need to study how to suffocate the peoples like hitler did with the jews. Look at the career of al gore and g.w.b , they propose greenery tech all the time but it's just for public relations, on the real table only destructive gasoline and diesel are sold. It's them that constructed this petrol business worldwide and they are still protecting it and promoting it with goverment money. All their talks is to erase your awareness. All the greenery tech if we listen to them is coming soon, but strangelly they cannot recognise any green tech at all and despite billions of dollars of taxmoney given to many crooks, not a single greenery is on the market.
        • 8 Months Ago
        Considering the energy ROI of various ways to generate electricity makes one a snob?
        • 8 Months Ago

        There are good reasons to oppose EVERY technology. Even EVs and Plug In Hybrids has many "good" reasons to oppose them. What makes someone a snob is they ignore all the good things because they prefer an alternative technology. I prefer EV's, but hydrogen has a lot of potential as well.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There are good reasons to oppose hydrogen. I'm not sure why that's snobbery.
        • 8 Months Ago
        Way to call it ShaunnyCakes. As predictable as a metronome. You're right of course. Hydrogen has a lot of potential. And so do other technologies.

        That's why we need to be so open-minded to a variety of good technologies and help them all to market. Once they get to market (probably at different times), we can let the market decide which kinds of vehicles will be purchased.
        • 8 Months Ago
        stfu moron
        • 8 Months Ago
        Hey ShaunnyCakes,

        You say tomato, I say tomaaato.

        You call us "anti-hydrogen eco snobs", I call us informed, logical, intelligent, green vehicle tech advocates.

        I, along with many other folks on this site, am no more an advocate of EV's as I am an advocate of CNG vehicles.

        CNG makes a hell of a lot more sense as an interim fuel source in ICE cars and trucks than Hydrogen ever will, from every aspect. I am not going to go into detail about why H2 does not make sense because that horse has been beaten to death multiple times on this site as of late. It is getting old. The bottom line is that it doesn't make sense and the sooner you and guys like Glen Blencoe get that thru your thick skulls, the better. Do you think people promote EV's and CNG vehicles here because they are paid by some underground organization to pump our wares? NO Sherlocke, its because the aforementioned technologies make sense, work, can be made affordable, can be fairly easily adopted into our CURRENT refueling infrastructure, whether at home or at a station, and can and will be adopted my the US populous.

        If anything, you are truly the closed-minded eco-snob here, promoting and defending one of the biggest wastes of time and money we have ever seen in green vehicle technology. H2 is a joke and just another way for large oil companies to keep a stronghold on our wallets. Enough is enough, we need to do things that make sense and not just listen to what ever you hear on the news.

        EV's and CNG are the only CURRENT technologies that make sense and should be promoted as an alternative to petrol. H2 is a joke. Even our corrupt, oil industry funded government has seen the light at the end of the tunnel and slashed their spending on H2. To me, that means a lot! For them to make that kind of a move should make it very obvious to folks like you and Blencoe, that H2 is a waste of time and money.

        Feel free to bash my comments, but I think I and others on this site make very good points to support these arguments.
      • 6 Years Ago
      • 5 Years Ago
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      • 6 Years Ago

      * How many fuel cell "agreed vehicles" are there in the NY area?

      * Who makes those FCVs and who drives them?

      * Any idea how much one of these "agreed vehicles" costs?

      * Since Shell opened this new station at the JFK airport, does this mean that some select rental car agencies will be renting them to travelers?

      * How much is this new fueling station charging for the H2?

      * Where is it getting its H2 from?

      * How is it produced?

      * How is it transferred and stored there?

      * What is the maximum psi that the station can put into a vehicle's tanks?

      * How long does a "fillup" take at that psi?

      • 6 Years Ago
      Some followup questions! Did Shell fund these H2 facilities, or are they subsidized by Project Driveway or by GM, or maybe by DOE? If they just did it as part of a demonstration program, they get no credit for that - they have no risk. End of program, end of facility.

      It's not for public use, only for participating vehicles, but still, what is Shell charging for the refueling, on a weight or gge basis? Of course, none of these H2 facilities will even approach economic feasibility at this point, but participating drivers should be expected to pay something toward the fuel they're using as part of the program.

      Interesting story, how about more information from our writer?
        • 8 Months Ago
        You got it almost right, PopSmith. A 2nd phase of that steam reforming process takes that carbon monoxide and reacts it with more steam at higher temperatures to get more H2 and CO2. It is necessary to remove carbon monoxide from the H2 fuel, as it can damage some types of fuel cells.

        Most H2 production is from steam reformed fossil fuels, and the "Hydrogen Hyway" plans call for most of the H2 to be produced that way, as that is the cheapest source. The few H2 fuel stations using electrolysis are demo units for promotional use.
        • 8 Months Ago
        I have these questions as well. If Shell put out the money for this station with no "help" from the government that is interesting and shows they are serious about it in my opinion. However, if Exxon and other oil companies jump on the Hydrogen bandwagon that means that eventual price fixing/price hikes such as what we have seen with gasoline is inevitable.

        On the topic of Hydrogen, and please correct me if I am wrong, it is mainly generated (at least in America) from natural gas via natural gas reforming. This process separates methane (CH4) from natural gas which is then further separated so the Hydrogen can be used.

        From energy.gov:

        In steam-methane reforming, methane reacts with steam under 3–25 bar pressure (1 bar = 14.5 psi) in the presence of a catalyst to produce hydrogen, carbon monoxide, and a relatively small amount of carbon dioxide.

        This means that carbon monoxide (CO) is still being emitted, in ever-increasing numbers if Hydrogen takes off, and in the end the Hydrogen is ran though a fuel cell that combines Hydrogen with Oxygen making H2O (aka water) which then charges a battery to power the car.

        I am not against Hydrogen, I think the idea is great but I prefer a pure-electric car. If the Hydrogen is used to charge a battery that means that, in the end, the car is an electric-hybrid that has had it's gasoline engine replaced with a Hydrogen generator.

        For cars that need to go on road-trips that might be a good idea. However, for an "everyday driver" I still believe an all-electric vehicle would be a better choice.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Its obvious now, with electric cars coming fast....the hydrogen makers are realizing that the time for hydrogen is now or never...and they dont want to concede that all of the millions they sunk into hydrogen research wasn't wasted......but the truth is, it was.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Not really. It would be a mistake for them to do that when the technology out there hasn't fully matured. Same goes for EVs. Anyone pitching a cheap EV today that will do what a petrol car can do is committing suicide.

        This shouldn't be a race. It should be a union of technologies.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yes, once EVs become popular, H2FC cars don't stand a chance, so the H2 hype machine keeps pushing, even though the technology is still far too expensive to be competitive.

        Patrick, you are right that H2FC vehicles have advanced motors and batteries, but so does hybrids and the Tesla Roadster. There are far more freeway capable EVs on the road than H2FC vehicles. Tesla Motors alone has put more EVs on the road than all the H2FC vehicles from all manufacturers put together!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Guess where the most advanced automotive electric motors, batteries and controllers can be found on the road today? In hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles. Hydrogen fuel cells and batteries all work together.
        • 6 Years Ago
        In your limited scope and mentality, you're probably right. Thank goodness for open-minded engineers and scientists hey?

      • 6 Years Ago
      Watch this video to see the fallacy that is hydrogen:

      At 9:18 of part 17b of this chilling video series, they mention that hydrogen is an energy SINK. You need some form of reserve (like oil or coal) and extract the hydrogen (ie use energy) from it.

      Pushing hydrogen as an alternative fuel is FUTILE and a WASTE of tax payer money.

      • 6 Years Ago
      Why does everyone expect everything that occurs to be instantaneous? I mean, seriously -- do you think they started building this station in the past month? It's probably been under construction for a year or so.

      The real news would be if they decided to start plans for new stations that they hadn't planned on previously.
      • 6 Years Ago
      My next car will most likely be the Ford Focus EV, when it comes out. Having said that, I'm still look at the future with hope that hydrogen to prove worthy. The chemicals needed to make a decent battery for an EV are already expensive, and I don't see that changing. No one will be able to corner the hydrogen market.
        • 6 Years Ago
        The chemicals needed for a battery are nowhere near as expensive as those required for a H2 fuel cell, or for that matter, those required for H2 storage.

        There is a lot of research going on to reduce the cost of batteries and H2 fuel cells and H2 storage, but batteries have a huge lead in the cost reduction race.
      • 6 Years Ago
      so they opened a covered parking lot?
      • 6 Years Ago
      Well, you may think that now jjpro, but get t-boned at 45 mph and what would you rather have in your vehicle, 25 gallons of gasoline, 2 X 4500 psi carbon-fiber wrapped (because solid steel cannot retain those pressures) H2 tanks (can you say mushroom cloud?) or a big battery? I'd say the battery is the safest, except for the typical flooded lead acid it would not even leak! all the newer tech is dry cell. ponder that,

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