The difference between Chinese car companies & Indian car companies is that being a democracy, Indian companies are expected to follow the IP & Patent ethics as rest of the world. So, companies like Tata & Mahindra HAVE to innovate & engineer stuff to survive in the market. I

n China, the blatant disregard for these business practices leads them to copy rather than innovate. That's why you'd see fake Daewoo Matiz, BMWs, Toyotas etc along with fake Ipods & Iphones. KIRF at it's pinnacle.

It might lead gains in the short term but in the long run, this can only so far.

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India has a British instituted legal system.

China's legal system is whatever Mao felt like back in the 60s.

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@Wobbly_ears I'll agree with that 100%

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Actually, the Chinese juridical system, besides soviet influence, follows mostly the roman-germanic system used throughout continental Europe, Japan, Taiwan, etc. (as opposed to the anglo-saxon system ('common law')) - and this since the end of Qing dinasty/beginning of the republic.

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cm... instituted systems are one thing, but the Germans and Japanese respect most patents unlike the Chinese.

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Rotflmao...indian government is much more a thugocracy than a real democracy.
Let's not forget all the bloodshed that went into the Tata. If you really believe India to be a great democracy then you either know absolutely nothing about India or you're in the top caste and don't give a rat's a** about the hundreds of millions of poor people.

India has the absolute most discriminatory society in the world. People of the lowest caste weren't even allowed to go to medical school until 2 years ago, and when they were finally allowed all the upper class medical student went out and rioted. That's some democracy.

Let's see the greatness of this democracy:
There the people starve even though there's food because of thugocratic government leaders: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/02/international/asia/02FARM.html

Oh look, 7 years later the children in India are still starving to death (note that the article mentions how almost nobody starves in China):
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/13/world/asia/13malnutrition.html

A democracy is utterly worthless if the upper castes of the society choose to use it to let hundreds of millions of people starve while they build BILLION DOLLAR HOMES:
http://miamibeachluxuryrealestate.blogspot.com/2008/01/one-billion-dollar-home-built-by-indias.html

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You guys also apparently also don't realize that the Hindu's in India regularly persecute the other people there, whether they're Muslims or Sikhs. A few times it's resulted in genocidal violence that makes the crap in Xinjiang look like a peaceful protest.
Let's see:
http://www.searchsikhism.com/gal7.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1386454/Indian-train-massacre-sparks-revenge-killings.html

I happen to know people who either weren't in the upper castes or weren't Hindu and they all know just how corrupt and violent the place is and how it's absolutely not even CLOSE to a real democracy. If by democracy you mean a bunch of corrupt local governors stealing food from the poor, utterly no semblance of a powerful central government, genocidal violence between the countries ethnicities, a caste system that actually legitimizes treating other human beings like trash, hundreds of millions of people starving to death, an AIDS epidemic that's gone utterly uncontrolled (compare AIDS rates in India and China), and the utter joke that infrastructure is in India where many people don't even have running water let alone reliable electricity.

So yeah bash China for it's censorship and shoddy lead poisoned paint, because that kind of stuff really is bullcr*p. But China's about a bazillion times better as far as actually taking care of it's citizens goes. Even in the latest riot the government is giving every family 150,000 yuan because in China the government actually owes you when it fails to protect you. It's not a democracy but maybe someday you guys will be able to get it through your thick skulls that people in China have long lived in a much more communal society where individual rights have ALWAYS been less important than the good of the community. So even if the government is a bunch of autocratic dictators as long as everything they're doing is for the good of Chinese society as a whole people will let them do it.
Because the citizens there can look at India and see just how sh*tty life could be without the communist government that managed to take China from being a country that was carved up by the western powers and conquered by Japan during World War II, to 50 years later being an economic powerhouse where starvation isn't a problem, STD rates have dropped to a fraction of what they were in 1950 thanks to a very early battle against disease, and women have FAR more rights than they do in India where people still practice friggin' BRIDE BURNING:
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9608/18/bride.burn/

So yeah trash China for it's legitimate problems, because they need to fix them. But you know what? In 50 years it's gone from an utter sh*thole to a pretty damned cool place to live. Lead paint, melamine in your milk, and crappy unsafe cars are pretty awesome when you remember the days when everyone was starving to death and you were desperate enough to try to find rats to eat because the alternative was starving to death-something that most middle aged people in China remember pretty well.

But don't go and try to make it sound like India is some f'ing bastion of democracy and human rights, because anybody who actually has a friggin' clue about India would know that your rights in China as a citizen are friggin' unbelievable compared to the crap any Sikh or "Untouchable" has to go through in India. And if you could just flip a coin and end up a random person in each country you better hope that coin lands you in China because half the time you'll end up in the 50% of people in India who are malnourished.

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BTW I have nothing against good Indian people either, I know plenty of Indian people who really want to do something about those problems. But there's also too many Indians who would rather people believe that India is some great democracy with lots of "human rights" because it's too ugly if people know the truth. And you would be surprised at how many people actually think people of lower castes deserve to be treated like utter sh*t and left to starve to death. Hint, if someone whines about how Slumdog Millionaire makes India look bad they're probably a total a-hole because it barely even scratches the surface of how ugly Indian society can be, and they're likely one of the people who don't give a sh*t about how badly the hundreds of millions of poor are treated so long as they themselves have food and money.

Frankly even corrupt capitalistic communists are far preferable to the "democratically elected" leaders India has, and anybody who thinks otherwise is an ignorant buffoon.
And while plenty of Chinese cars take lives because they're not the safest, I don't think any of them managed to actually have people start dying before production even started. A true achievement of the Tata Nano and Indian "democracy". Oh wait, that's right, the place where they built it wasn't a friggin' democracy at all but a place controlled by a bunch of thugocratic "communists" who stole the land from the poor people and gave it to the wealthy Tata family to go build a factory on. Wow, such democracy and such human rights.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/engineering/article4655857.ece

I find it pretty hilarious that you guys apparently are so f'ing caught up in the oh-so-popular sport of China bashing that you've actually deluded yourselves into believing that the Tata Nano is somehow the lesser evil compared to a Chinese car. In reality no car is filled with as much injustice and bloodshed as this thing, from the land it's built on being stolen by Indian "communists" to let a corporation assemble cars there at slave wages that make Chinese wages look like UAW wages. India is ruled by corrupt thugocratic governments in each region all in bed with the rich and powerful to exactly this kind of crap-steal land from the poor so you the rich can build a factory, and then we'll force the poor to go work there because it's not like they have any land to farm anymore. Oh and we're "communists" so I guess they don't really need to get paid anything close to a livable wage.

If you think Chinese fake communists are bad Indian fake communists are about 1,000 times worse because the Chinese communists are just fake because they're really greedy capitalists willing to overlook blatant corruption, while Indian communists are fake because they're blatantly stealing your friggin' land and giving it to the super rich upper caste while you starve to death and they force you to work in the factory for nearly free. The level of human rights abuses involved in building this stupid car makes China look like the Netherlands.

And I felt compelled to make three posts on this just because of utterly, unbelievably, moronic it is to use this thing as an example of why Indian "democracy" is better than Chinese "communism" when the reality is that Indian "democracy" happens to be just about the only kind of democracy that might actually make even Stalin's communism look gentle by comparison. If Mao's "great leap forward" was an utter disaster of communism that resulted in starvation and famine for hundreds of millions then what's India's excuse for the continued and still nonstop famine that has persisted for decades?
Oh that's right if it's a "democracy" it's no longer the government being all evil and imposing stupid policies upon you. Now you're starving to death because the majority of people in the upper classes voted to not give a sh*t about you. Yeah as long as it's a "democracy", no matter how pathetic of a joke the democracy or government is I guess it's less evil than China's government because oh man, China's government isn't a democracy so it must be totally evil even if only a few countries in the world actually have democracies, and nations have somehow managed to survive for millenia without democracy.

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Holy wow dude, how fast do you type? Anyway I +repped you because unlike most rants on this place, yours is actually quite true.

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lol people like the4thheat is so worked up about the first two comments, judging from the past comments made by those 2 they are indians though so you know.....lol

btw this is just the initial tests that any cars entering Europe must go through, the certification tests at 56 kmph. The Euro Ncap still remains to be seen.

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Ahh.. same like Japanese cars, Korean cars, they will not sell in great number in States. Rightttt......this kind of thinking that make the so called Domestic lose to so called imports and stop trying.

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her tatas better not be nanos

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I'd rather have a Tata Giga..

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Anything more than a Tata handsize is a waste.

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If its cheap enough, it could upset the used car market as I'm sure it is doing in India. Of course, that brings with it a whole new host of issues.

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