• Jun 16, 2009
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When you think of a successor to Ferrari's watershed F40 supercar, the 430 Scuderia, incredible as it is, probably doesn't come immediately to mind. Instead, you're more likely to have visions of the F50 and Enzo dancing in your head. While that's a fair mental association, as Autocar reveals in this installment of their "Meet The Ancestors" video series, the Scud does share many of the same qualities, including a banshee wail of a soundtrack, stunning visuals, and a focus on minimalism (which the older car raised to an art form).

Direct descendant or no, any video that features the visuals and unfettered vocals of two of our favorite Ferraris deserves a look. Check it out after the jump.



[Source: Autocar via YouTube]



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      • 5 Years Ago
      For the record the f60 is not the Enzo. It is the current F1 car.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Finally, someone in the replies who knows their Ferrari's!
      • 5 Years Ago
      If I was offered any Ferrari, I would immediately pick the F-40. No question.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Who is that nerd driving and talking? He's not even dressed nice. Why would any Ferrari own let him drive those cars.

      I love the F-40
        • 5 Years Ago
        wrong care dude, Bond drives Aston Martins.
      • 5 Years Ago
      i hate how he rapes the pronunciation of "Scuderia" .
        • 5 Years Ago
        Agreed.

        But Im not sure if I pronounce it correctly, though.
      • 5 Years Ago
      599 is successor to 575/550, which is descendant from the 365 GTB4 Daytona, front engined V12 2-seaters.

      599 may share a bit of hardware with Enzo, but it is most certainly not on par with it.

      Ferrari's mid-engined history is parallel, V8 and V12. Arguably F40 actually stepped out of it's proper role, to eclipse the Testarossa.

      The 288 GTO, Evoluzione, and the F40 were actually adaptations and modifications of the 308-328 lineup, with longitudinal, turbocharged engines, and race hardware. It was not intended to eclipse the 512BB-Testarossa-512TR lineup of mid-engined 12-cylinder cars. But arguably, it did just that.

      So, 348, 355, and later 360 and 430 all went longitudinal with their V8s, by design. Challenge, Challenge Stradale, and now Scuderia models could be considered the high-end competition-grade variants of the mid-V8 cars, and logical successors to 288 GTO and F40.

      With the waning of the Testarossa and 512TR, the new mid-V12 cars took a page from F40's book, and adapted the naming scheme, until the Enzo paid homage to the man named Ferrari.

      Theoretically, the F50 and F60/Enzo are successors to the 512BB, Testarossa, and 512TR, with a BIG dose of competition grade hardware brought over after F40 re-defined the rules.

        • 5 Years Ago
        Fair enough. Ill take your word on it.

        Personally, Its hard for me to connect the Testarossa to the likes of the Enzo, and F50.

        I can agree generally, the Testarossa, and 512TR aren't slouches. But in Ferrari's scope I see them as so. However, I understand there are defiantly worse offerings from Ferrari. Mondial anyone?

        Thanks for the debate.





        • 5 Years Ago
        TL;DR /yawn

        Care to swap sources? Ill read yours if you read mine. K?

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari

        See: Ferrari road car time line, at the bottom of the page, they have it mapped out nicely.

        Yeah I know its just wiki, but its convenient, and well written.

        For the record the only halo model Ferrari that didn't serve to homoligate a racing version was the Enzo Ferrari.

        • 5 Years Ago
        "Theoretically, the F50 and F60/Enzo are successors to the 512BB, Testarossa, and 512TR"

        False, The F50, and Enzo Ferrari were not true successors of the flat 12's mentioned. Even though they are similar in that that share the mid 12 layout. The Testarossa's true successor is the 550. Both standard 12 cylinder berlinettas.

        The flat 12's Berlinetta Boxer included were as close to standard production as Ferrari has ever gotten. 211 BB's per year from 1973 to 1984. Hardly limited compared to a true Ferrari halo. They where the continuation of the standard Ferrari 12 after 365 Daytona.

        "The 288 GTO, Evoluzione, and the F40 were actually adaptations and modifications of the 308-328 lineup, with longitudinal, turbocharged engines, and race hardware. It was not intended to eclipse the 512BB-Testarossa-512TR lineup of mid-engined 12-cylinder cars. But arguably, it did just that."

        While the former here is correct the latter is not. The 288 GTO, and F40 where both the absolute best from Ferrari in the 80's. They were in fact halo models. And were very much intended to eclipse the standard flat 12s underneath them. Especially the F40.

        To consider the pedestrian Testarossa more of a predecessor to the Enzo, F50 than the F40 is laughable, and a farce. Halo to halo, not standard production Flat 12 Berlinetta to halo.





        • 5 Years Ago
        The Ferrari Enzo is NOT the F60!!! There is no such thing as a road-going Ferrari F60! The only F60 that Ferrari makes is their 2009 Formula One car.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I think you're missing the mark there.

        Enzo Ferrari, F50, F40, 288GTO, 250LM, 250GTO = Halo models, flagships, limited, not standard production, etc... These represent the best possible road going car Ferrari could make at the time.

        Testarossa, Berlinetta Boxer = Standard production 12 Cylinder Ferrari. Absolutely no relation to F50, and Enzo. The only similarity is that they have 12 cylinders. The proper successor to the 512TR was the 550. Note: while they have different engine layouts they are both standard production 12 cylinder, 2 seaters.







        • 5 Years Ago
        Azmati,

        I have several actual PAPER BOOKS about Ferrari. I'll post the titles when I get back home if you like.

        I did not say that 288 GTO (tied for first place of my all time favorite cars, BTW, with McLaren F1) nor the F40 were bad cars.

        But coming from a design standpoint, neither of those cars were designed to be what they were. They were adaptations, although extremely thorough and complete modifications, of the 308 base chassis. The F40 was not designed from the drawing board as an original concept, nor was 288 GTO. 288GTO, 288 GTO Evoluzione, and F40 were modified for racing.

        *If there had been no homologation rules, it is unlikely that any of them would have been sold to the public. They were not designed to be retail cars. THEREFORE, Not HALO models, even if they were AMAZING performers. There is a classification difference there.

        F50 was designed with race car hardware, like F40. I have said that SEVERAL times now, but it was also DESIGNED TO BE SOLD at Ferrari dealers. It was not modified from another car. It came off the drawing board, and was designed to put race-grade hardware on the ROAD for a purchase price. It was a 12 Cylinder car, regardless of narrow V, or 180-degree V. (the boxer was just a flattened Colombo V12 anyway, reaching all the way back past the 250-series ferraris.)

        F50 owes a lot to F40, even it's NAMING SCHEME. I have said that several times. But F40 was not a V12 car, and was not a clean-sheet design. BOTH of those things, as well as being mid-engined, are common between Testarossa/512TR and F50. Both were RETAIL ROAD CARS, and at the TOP of Ferrari's product catalog, thus can be called "Halo".

        F40, and the 288 GTO before it were not built for retail demand, and were barely street legal, only because they HAD to be, by the rules. They were built solely to meet motorsports rules, which said that so many had to be actually sold.

        F50 got the benefit of F40's development, NO DOUBT. It was racier than 512TR, no doubt. But the LAYOUT of the F50 and TR, and retail catalog placement in the Ferrari lineup was the same. They were built for sale.

        The Maranello was not the direct successor to the 512TR, although perhaps it took some of the less motorsport-minded Ferrari buyers, when F50 got more focused. But there is a BIG difference between mid-engined and front engined cars. Bigger than the difference between TR and F50. The 550 did pick up the front engined V12 market placement of the 365 GTB-4 Daytona, descended from the 275 and 250 front engined V12 road cars.

        The V8 lineup moved from 328 to 348, and F40 did not get translated to a variant based on 348. They changed from the more unlimited modifications of F40, more toward the Challenge race series, which is closer to stock, but the 348 Challenge, and the 355 Challenge after that, were the race-modified version of the mid-V8 cars. That has a commonality with 288 GTO and F40, which were also modified mid-V8 cars, not V12s, and the Challenge cars were not particularly designed for retail sale, until the 360 Challenge Stradale.

        I am looking at this from where these cars come from. What are their roots, what are their purposes... And from that F50 and Enzo halo cars, while heavily influenced by F40, also share traits down the line from the BB and TR cars, which were the top end retail mid-V12 ferraris.

        And the TR was no slouch whatsoever, BTW, just excessively wide at the rear axle. It was well above the mainstream ferrari 400i/412, or 456GT V12 cars. It's styling hasn't proven as timeless as the 308-based 288GTO, though.

        Another example...
        If the next Lamborghini gets design input from Gallardo Superleggera, but still sports a V12 engine, it will still be a successor to Murcielago, despite Gallardo's influence.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Azmati

        The wiki page doesn't contradict anything BoxerFanatic said.
        • 5 Years Ago
        great info, thx
      • 5 Years Ago
      I don't see how the 599 is the "true" successor to the F40...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Hike15: You're wrong. The Enzo Ferrari is NOT the F60. There is no Ferrari roadcar by the name 'F60.' The only F60 known to Ferrari is their 2009 Formula One car (which may be their last ever Formula One car if things do not get resolved by Friday). The Enzo Ferrari was never dubbed 'F60.'
        • 5 Years Ago
        The 599 is the true successor to the Maranello.

        If I could have any one Ferrari, it would have to be the 288 GTO.
        • 5 Years Ago
        i never understood that either
        the f40 went on to the f50 and the the f60, better known as the enzo. the 599 only has an enzo based engine, that's it.

        But anyways, i would always take a f40 over a scuderia because it is an f40 and it was the lsat car ever built while enzo himself was still part of the company.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I think he's mis-interpreting what Ferrari said when they launched the 599. IIRC, the press materials said the goal for the 599's performance was to match or eclipse the F40. Not that it was some kind of spiritual successor. And I'm sure the 599 could beat an as-produced F40 around Fiorano. However, put some modern performance rubber on an F40, and it might be the other way around. Power/weight and mid-engine balance is in the F40s favor, while the 599 has more developed aero and (probably) better brakes. I'd still rather have the F40 any day.
      • 5 Years Ago
      If I was given the choice to own one Ferrari only, it would take me roughly .000001sec to utter "F40 please". There is no other Ferrari, or any other brand for that matter, that makes me feel like what the F40 does. Nothing more to say really, the F40 will forever be the best Ferrari in history in my mind.
      • 5 Years Ago
      It's not that the paint is so thin, it's just that carbon fiber and kevlar have 'pores' in their surfaces because of the way they're 'woven' together. The paint settles in these pores as does the clear coat.

      I own a detailing company and regularly do work on an F40(As well as a Scuderia) and have taken paint measurements which are all somewhat normal and industry standard.

      We had the F40 at the grand opening of our Retail location; Pics are in the link for those who care;
      http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/northeast/170966-exotic-car-show-june-7th-3.html
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