I really don't know what the Obama administration is smoking. They really aren't doing their due diligence on this unnecessary saving of Chrysler. Look at the history of the company and their current state of affairs and this really should be a chapter 7 liquidation.

I just don't see this being good for the industry in the long term. Now that more information has been brought to the publics' attention, I really believe that Chrysler and possible dodge should be killed and Jeep be sold to a suitor.

The Dodge Ram could be sold to Nissan...

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Ha!!! I don't think so. Even though some are aging, Chrysler's designs are still way more interesting and attractive than Kia's. I mean Ram, Challenger and Viper are bold, head turning and beautiful. 300 and Charger are in-your-face and attractive, if aging. Jeep designs are iconic and instantly recognizable. Kia design is bland to the extreme. I am not dissing Kia - they are great at the role they fill - America's discount/economy brand. In the discount/economy market, attractive designs are not particularly important. Low price, practicality, and reasonable reliability are, and Kia excels at these.

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Gee Erik I guess that's why people are buying a lot of Chryslers instead of Kia. It's no wonder Chrysler is doing awsomely on sales and Kia is looking to merge with Fiat to save itself since everybody think Kia sucks and cant sell their cars. "rolls eyes" Yes that was total sarcasm in case if you did not get it.

Seriously Erik I just don't think you get it. Halo cars do not make up the target audience. The absolute largest target audience are looking for simple, practical, functional but yet affordable cars that are in the Camry, Sonata, Optima, Accord, Altima or Civic, Elantra, Corolla, Spectra, Sentra classes. Most average consumers are not going to buy a Viper, or a Challenger, plain and simple. Those kinds of cars are for enthusiasts, which make up a very tiny percentage of the population. Also most want something more plain and simple on design as well as not being the size of a whale.

Also from what I have seen over the years most people are more than likely going to buy a Ford truck over a Ram, especially now that Ford is on the right track and is fiercely competitive.

Lastly people just don't buy from a company just because they have cool halo cars that they can only dream about and never afford. Kia may not have any cool sports cars or tired remade retro boxes in their lineup, none the less Kia is doing quite well on sales and at the same time rapidly increasing their quality, fit & finish, and design appeal with each generation of cars they come out with, unlike Chrysler which seems to be stuck living in the past...sort of like you

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tanooki2003, it's you who just doesn't get it.

If you took the time to read the comments you are responding to, you wouldn't look so foolish in your response. This conversation has nothing to do with sales numbers, it has to do whith what brand would be viewed as the "discount" brand. Nothing in your disjointed ramblings indicates anything about why Dodge might be viewed as more "discount" than Kia. In fact, your comments about Dodge having more cars that would be considered "halo" or "enthusiast" while Kia makes ordinary cars for the masses just back up by contention that Kia would be viewed as more the "budget" brand. But since you seem to want to talk about sales numbers, Dodge is currently outselling Kia nearly 2 to 1. Plain and simple. Get a clue man.

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