• Apr 24, 2009
The Battle for top honors at the Nordschleife continues, with yet another revised 'Ring time for the Nissan GT-R. After a second day of testing, Nissan claims that the 2010 model hacked off nearly a second from its time on Wednesday, delivering an unofficial lap of 7:26.7 – a mere four-tenths of second behind the Corvette ZR1's official time and just over a second slower than the Ferrari Enzo. As always, unofficial times should be taken with the appropriate amount of NaCl, and the way things are going, we expect Porsche (or GM) to fire back, at which point Nissan may finally release the GT-R SpecV's lap time.

[Source: GTRBlog | Image: Kislik]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      I'm more interested in the Spec-V laptime.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Me too.


        I have no iea why they did not test it yet.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Is very fun to see tha hot debate between Nissan vs. Porsche fanboys, even with supposed engineering details and so on.
      To me Nissan is cheating, from the first test I have called this car Cheatzilla, so is evident that I´m not a fan. That said, who cares! Nissan EVER have declared output figures lower than the real for the different generations of the GT-R, and everybody knows that, is any reason this time need to be different?
      And about the price, c´mon, so what if the Nissan is cheaper, wathever the performance that car have is still a Nissan, and the Porsche is a Porsche, they have bigger resale value and will keep having them. And, by the way, look at the profit margins of Porsche, the cost to produce those 911GT3, GT2 and Turbos probably is not bigger of what Nissan spend on the GT-R. The real difference is that Porsche need to make a profit on the 911 and Nissan can afford a loss, if the Nissan profits were dependent of the GT-R that thing will be more expensive than the 911.
      And looking what Porsche is doing with all those profits, securing the control of the biggest car company in Europe for the Porsche family and Nissan is controlled by another European company, is evident that the 911 is a winner on the track and outside.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Thanls Ksan720 for your information, I thought that was a "Gentlemen agreement" between the japanese manufacturers, but I accept your acclaration. Anyway I insist the real output figures from the R34 GT-R (the previous genration) is more than the new one in the output per liter figure, 126 per liter now (480/3,8L) 140 per liter in an Spec-V of 1999 (380/2,6L) In a car that is the showcase of the Nissan engineering capabilities today, and its healthy situation, it looks very strange to me, more so in comparision to a moment in wich Nissan were in the brink of bankrupcy. And, please, don´t tell me that I am comparing Spec-V with regular Spec, the special editions usually are about lightness and more performance oriented chasis upgrades, no big specific output increases.
        Anyway, for the money I prefer the M3, less computer without lack of cutting edge technology, classy, and much more understated, and probably in real terms as much satisfying driving experience, and cheaper.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Now, does anyone remember that car that was faster than the GT3, GTR & ZR1? Which was its name?

      Oh right... the Dodge Viper.

      Since all Chrysler-related news nowadays are about banktrupcy, I guess having the fastest car around the 'ring doesn't count at all...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Oh you can add that one to my list too if you fancy. I have nothing against the ACR, in fact I have always had a soft spot for the Viper. Even the "normal" version has a place reserved in my heart and driveway. :p
      • 5 Years Ago
      Getting maximum stability under late braking and earliest application of maximum possible acceleration around corners is the key to winning. Nissan has managed this feat very well with input from Lotus.

      Taking a classic example from the motorcycle world, Ducati Superbikes which weigh 20lbs heavier and possess 20% less HP than their Japanese superbikes, post virtually the same lap time around race tracks. Key? The Ducati is able to apply a higher torque output per revolution, but at wider intervals. This allows the tires not only a chance to regain maximum grip, but also maximum acceleration out of the corners.



      • 5 Years Ago
      Sorry, i call BS on nissan here...
      • 5 Years Ago
      i think nissan gets dangerously close to be untrustworthy
        • 5 Years Ago
        Porsche has pole-vaulted over the line of being untrustworthy.


        The 911 Turbo does not average anywhere near 1 second per minute of track time to the GT2.

        If the GT2 can do a 7:31, there's no fricking way a Turbo should be doing 7:38. Its always a lot slower than the GT2, even at its very best. It should also now be any faster than the Z06, since the Z06's score card is better than the Turbo's on other tracks.


        The GT-R and GT2 on the other hand, just about tie in how many times they've topped each other on tracks.
      Carlos
      • 5 Years Ago
      I guess people don't seem to understand that there are a lot of places around the Nuremberg ring that they can easily shave off precious seconds. There are just too many variables to compare why the GTR is faster than X car, weather, temperature, humidity. Not to mention driver input. Just take all car companies lap times with a grain of salt and say Congratulations and move on.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Carlos
        What if Suzuki drives the GT2... maybe it's going to be under 7:25
      • 5 Years Ago
      Thank you Gus... everyone is arguing over the fine points to assign 2nd, 3rd and 4th place.

      The Viper ACR bests them all and you can order one from any dodge dealer.

      http://www.autoblog.com/tag/viper+acr+nurburgring/
      • 5 Years Ago
      No idea who is lying and who isn't. All I know is that track is a beast that has seen better days. With all of the corners that fall away from the driver, random bumps, various road surfaces and overall lack of perfection...I'd take AWD over RWD in a heartbeat. I wonder how much time is lost in the supercars bouncing the underside of the car off of the road surface? I wonder how much time is lost forcing the Viper and ZR1 to continue in a straight line as the power is applied over an uneven road surface? Mix that with 13 miles and 73 turns and as Carlos mentioned, time can be gained or lost in so many places.


      • 5 Years Ago
      I posted an un-official time of 5.00 in my 1979 VW Rabbit diesel the last time I was on the Ring.
      I know that is not possible, but it is no less a valid statement than the title of this post.
      I could give a rat's ass about 'un-official times'. They are meaningless. Let me know when all three cars are there on the same day, driven by the same driver & timed by the same timers. Until then, this is all so much palaver.
      • 5 Years Ago
      You know, everyone from the Nissan or Porsche camp can talk as much s**t as they want to about this stuff (and I have every confidence they will).

      My big problem with Nissan during this particular go around is that they fully admit that they are using Spec V wheels and tires. Anyone who knows anything about cars and racing knows that the quickest way to take tenths (and sometimes even seconds) off your lap times is to get lighter wheels and lighter and stickier tires. It is completely asinine to say "stock GTR" out of one side of their mouth, when they say "Spec V wheels and tires" out of the other side. It would be one thing if you could get the Spec V wheels and tires as an option from the dealer. But you can't (short of possibly special ordering).

      If it isn't a box you can check on your order form, it shouldn't be used in testing.

      And as has been pointed out myriad times before (and will again), until someone (Top Gear, Evo, Driver's Republic, C&D, MT, R&T, etc., etc.):
      (1) sacks up and goes and buys a f'in GTR off the damn lot (with whatever factory options they want), buys a GT2 off the damn lot (with whatever factory options they want), buys a ZR1 off the damn lot (with whatever factory options they want) and buys a ACR Viper off the damn lot (with whatever factory options they want--oh wait, there are no options);
      (2) then takes all of them straight to the track filling up with the highest octane fuel available from the nearest gas station;
      (3) rents the Ring for at least a day or two with good weather, so traffic can't be blamed;
      (4) has the *same* driver--someone damn good AND very familiar with the Ring, so there's no later bitching about that drive each car for 5-7 laps;
      (5) allows any suspension changes that can be made by Joe the Plumber in his driveway to be be made to each car; and
      (6) and then takes the best lap time for each car,
      then we'll never ever know what's right or wrong in terms of lap times.

      But that won't stop people from arguing about it and accusing various manufacturers of tomfoolery and shenanigans.
        • 5 Years Ago
        When did Nissan admit to changing tires? In the official press release, from Nissan Corporate for the 7:27.56 time, they said they used Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires on the factory OE SpecV wheels.

        The SpecV wheels do give an advantage by themselves, they are stiffer than the standard wheels and a smidge lighter.

        As for the SpecV tires being "sticky". They're a very slight improvement over standard Bridgestone RE070 run flats. Great for street driving and for the mild winding mountain road but not sticky like the dunlops are. Fitting SpecV tires would have been a disadvantage...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Driver's republic did test a gt-r vs gt2. Came out with the gt2 on top, although it is a heck of a lot more expensive. Both cars are amazing, and the gt-r is one great piece of machinery, but i doubt nissan can pull laps that quick out of a bone stock gt-r. Yes it has the dual-clutch tranny and AWD, but those two alone can't compensate for the low hp/kg of the car.

        http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/thetruth030/?fm=2
      • 5 Years Ago
      something smells fishy here... and I'm not really into seafood. So PLEASE, SOMEONE (car and driver? road and track? top gear?).... do an independent test of the GTR on the 'ring and compare it to an independent test of the GT3... and ZR1 while you're at it!
        • 5 Years Ago
        An independent source needs to get a ZR1 in stock trim, and get Jan Magnussen to drive the bastard, that way, no one can complain that the car was modified, and no one can complain that the test driver didn't know what he was doing.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @d4rez
        Two things-even driver's republic said the GT-R did better when the track started to get drier, and secondly it sounds like a lot of it was just their subjective opinion on how much further you could push each car-which makes it sound like they were pushing the porsche more to it's limits.
        Ok three things, the 2010 GT-R is faster than the one they tested.
        • 5 Years Ago
        GT3 vs. GT-R. Same day, same track, same driver? That Question has already been answered. Here is a video of the two compared.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrd8VzfZzN8

        The GT-R in the video is my personal car (it's no ringer as it was delivered to Nalley Nissan in Atlanta Georgia). The GT3 belongs to a guy that was the winner of the Unlimited Class at La Carrera. The Time that Sam Hubinette got with my GT-R (which was brand new) was only a second off Steve Millen's Willow Spring Lap Time in a GT-R with the stickier Dunlop tires and FASTER than the GT2
        he tested.

        Also the Margin of victory (in terms of Seconds per mile) was actually GREATER at Willow Springs than at the `Ring. Here is a very well written article that shows the consistency of the GT-R against the Porsche across multiple tracks.

        http://www.gtrcenter.net/?p=2522

        HotRodzNKustoms
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Adam
        Just reminds me of how slow both those cars are.
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