• Apr 23rd 2009 at 8:01PM
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The 2010 Porsche 911 GT3 is unquestionably bad-ass. Its naturally aspirated 3.8-liter flat-six provides 435 hp from behind the driver's seat, and its track-tuned chassis can dance with the world's most nimble supercars. The free-wheeling product of Stuttgart has been undergoing testing at the famed Nurburgring in Germany (along with every other sports coupe worth its salt) and it's been timed at an unofficial 7:40. Porsche driving ace Walter Rohrl was behind the wheel for the sprightly lap.

While 7:40 isn't enough time to best the 7:26 from the 638 hp Corvette ZR1, it's a very impressive time nonetheless (BTW - During testing Rohrl posted a 7:45 in a borrowed Ferrari F430 Scuderia). Nissan probably isn't impressed, though, since it recently clocked the GT-R at 7:27. Well, Porsche is still calling balderdash on that claim, telling Motor Trend that the twin-turbo Nissan is only good for a time of 7:56 in stock US form. Just under eight minutes is an amazing time, but almost 30 seconds slower than reports from Nissan.

The Nissan vs. Porsche 'Ring smack-down feels as though its about to peter out, but the grudge match is almost to the point that the GT-R vs. GT3 drama should play out on premium cable. Who can we call to set this up?

[Source: Motor Trend]

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    • 1 Second Ago
      • 6 Years Ago
      I'm curious, what is the skid pad numbers for each car? (the GT-R vs GT3). Heck, add the Viper ACR and ZR1 in as well.

      Until someone BUYs one of each car off a dealership lot, finds a driver capable of pulling a 7.x min lap around the 'Ring, and has him run all 4, this will never be seriously solved.

      I personally don't think Nissan is being straight up about their times. Any shade-tree gearhead can tell you that weight is a killer for all aspects of vehicle performance. While I think it was proven that Nissan under rates the mill, the weight they cannot hide.

      No matter how good the AWD and suspension, the laws of physics cannot be broken.
      • 6 Years Ago
      porsche sucks. nissan rules, it's as simple as that. this is not the first time nissan have beaten them on the ring either. the r-32 gt-r beat porshe's time at the ring by about 25 seconds at that time. this current nissan gt-r is faster than the gt-2 at almost every track or every track the 2 were tested including the top gear track where the gt-r was just about 2 10ths off an enzo's pace. so why wouldn't the gt-r be faster at the ring. porsche it's time to change your design, i think it's keeping your car back. LOL
        • 6 Years Ago
        Something tells me this guy is biased. Not sure why, just a hunch.
        • 6 Years Ago
        LOL Epic fail at being cool.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "I want to see a televised event this summer where Porsche and Nissan battle it out on the Ring in dry weather. http://www.asf-converter.net All the magazine comparo's I've seen so far are in cold, wet weather."
      • 6 Years Ago
      With all this bickering about lap times and literally it makes no progress because everyone at respective companies just make excuses for everything with ideas to leave us always wanting more..Why can't they just bring back 0-60 and 1/4 miles times as the deciding factors? Lap times that most customers will never acheive is worthless imo. Sell consistency....cough ZR-1
      • 6 Years Ago
      Jeremy mother fudging Clarkson thats who....I say Porsche vs GTR, Black Stig vs White Stig anytime anywhere!
        • 6 Years Ago

        GO BLACK STIG !
      • 6 Years Ago
      Even IF Porsche is right, it makes them look like a winy bitch to keep going on and on about it. If you guys want to prove it, we need a reputable 3rd party driver to go out in each of the cars just off the show room floor on the same day, otherwise it will never end and I'm getting tired of hearing about it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Porsche already did that RJ, and they can't drive it faster than the average German nanny.
        • 6 Years Ago
        A couple problems with that test:
        1) The newer GT-R's have been retuned and are faster than the one they tested and several sources agree that the new GT-R is faster in general.
        2) It doesn't actually prove Nissan's time impossible-the magazine didn't come close to Porsche's time either, but they put the rather subjective claim that they think the Porsche could possibly hit the time whereas the GT-R couldn't? The actual time difference was 5 seconds in their test.

        Quite honestly I think with the GT-R having a less orthodox and highly advanced AWD system it probably feels different when being pushed to the limit than most drivers are used to. So someone would have to drive it a lot and figure out all how to best exploit it's techno-wizardry to the max to really push it to it's limit.

        All that aside? If the old GT-R and the GT2 were 5 seconds apart in the driver's republic review and the new GT-R is a faster vehicle, I think it's safe to say that the GT-R is at least more or less the equal of the GT2. Which is pretty problematic for Porsche seeing as how it costs two hundred grand whereas the Nissan costs less than half as much as it does.

        With Porsche constantly claiming all kinds of nonsense I'd have to suspect that the GT-R really is that fast. This is a lot like when the Swiss (they border Germany after all) more or less kicked Seiko out from their watch competitions because Seiko kept winning them. See: http://www.harrybishop.ca/?p=836

        This whole thing with Porsche and the GT-R just reeks of the same kind of "if you can't beat them let's just lie and say our stuff is the best" kind of nonsense. Someone from Japan shows up to a competition in their country, they do surprisingly well, and all of a sudden somehow they're not a "COSC certified chronometer" or their times aren't "real times" because Porsche didn't get the time. Hilarious.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Rohrl is the only one that can get that time out of a 911, so Porsche would immediately cry foul.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I will volunteer for this arduous task.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Send out Rorhl in a 911 GT3, Suzuki in a GT-R, and then have Sabine Schmidt take both cars out on new tires. 5 laps per car per person.
        • 6 Years Ago
        A reputable third-party driver has already tested both cars.


        AutoZine has a good summary here:

        • 6 Years Ago
        @ tankD0g,

        Link? Or are you just blowing out of your ass?

        The link above me proves the GT2 is indeed faster than the GTR. More importantly, the GTR is much more power limited (look at their straigh line speed, +13mph difference down straightaway), which means better weather conditions won't help much.

        As much as I love the GTR for its tech marvels, let's not be stupid here - it can't defy the laws of physics. When 600+ hp hyper-powered super-cars like the ZR1, Enzo, MC-12, Zonda, Koeneggsig, are loosing, or barely beating the GTR, you know something's wrong. Or rather, something's up with Nissan's "testing".

        Again, why doesn't Nissan step up to the challenge, and let Porsche choose a random GTR off the lot? That's like a gold medalist who simply refuses drug testing...
        • 6 Years Ago
        not to mention neither car holds the record for the track so i don't even see why this is even an issue. why doesn't porsche aspire to bring down the Viper ACR instead of bitching about the GT-R repeatedly.
        • 6 Years Ago
        you said it

        but I think the GT3 will loose seeing how Nissan can get their car to run below 7:30 adn Porsche drivers can't get their car to do the same feat

        5 laps per driver also sounds resonable so that they can learn the cars.

        that out to put Porsche in it's place and shut them up- they're being so whinnnnny right now and then the issues with buying VW that i'm starting to think their status is coming down and they definitely don't seem to be worrier that Ferrari is moving outside their reach

        stop focusing on beating Nissan
        • 6 Years Ago
        Or, they can just do what they accuse Nissan of doing - cheat a bit.

        Put on race slicks, dial in 4 degrees of negative camber, and run the engine without an emission control.

        The only way to properly settle this is: Porsche buys a random GTR, Nissan buys random Turbo / GT2 / GT3, and then use their best drivers to do a lap.
      • 6 Years Ago
      This is funny. They should realize that the dispute is over THIRD place. Who cares?
      • 6 Years Ago
      I must say... those are some amazing photo's
      • 6 Years Ago
      $112,200 and everyone will still say, "Oh look another Porsche." Well maybe not. Like Honda Civics. They are at every stop light here in LA. The GTR on the other hand people would say, "Daumn its a GTR!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Where I would say - nice a GT3 when I saw the Porsche.

        And when I see a GT-R I would say "dayuuum - that thing is a design trainwreck!"
      • 6 Years Ago
      someones a little uptight
      • 6 Years Ago
      Why the eff is it that when I click "reply" on someone's post it's always a game of CHANCE as to whether or not the post will actually show up as a reply to that post? Anyways, my previous post about the joke was directed towards "audifan"
        • 6 Years Ago
        I know.....sometime you post does not show up at all !!! >:{

        It says being sent to your email and no matter how many times you check....you never get anything...autoblog NEEDS to shape up.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I've found that it's prudent to always look at just above the "Your comments" part to see if it shows that you are replying to someone. If not, it will throw the comment to the end of the list.

        For instance, this is what I see above the box for this comment:
        "replying to dwightB [Undo]"

        I admit it's tough to remember to do everytime, but that's how to solve it. I also only really notice issues if I am replying multiple times in a single story.
      • 6 Years Ago
      How hard is it to get these two cars on the track on the same day?

      3 Drivers, one from each manufacture and a common 3rd from some professional motorsports (preferably someone who knows the track).

      Come on guys, make it happen already!
        • 6 Years Ago
        No matter what you do, either side will claim foul. Someone will always say stuff about how the track was wet in a "critical corner" or that the driver "doesn't know how to properly driver car X".

        Personally, I believe it's all nonsense, especially from Nissan. You can say what you want about AWD, but it's not a magical system that imbues a vehicle with all types of super powers.

        I'm sorry, but someone is lying, and the numbers are not in Nissan's favor.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Actually the numbers do favor Nissan.

        Regardless of what you think about pointless power/weight ratios,

        The 2009 GT-R has never done a 'best lap' that fell behind a Turbo. Not one.

        The Turbo is 0:9 against the GT-R on 9 tracks, not counting the N-Ring.

        The 997 GT3 is 1:7 against the GT-R (not impressive)

        The 997 GT3RS is 1:4 against the GT-R (not impressive)

        The 997 GT2 is 5:9 against the GT-R (only slightly ahead)

        The Z06 is 0:10 against the GT-R

        Now the Viper ACR is 5:5 against the GT-R (we know its faster)

        The ZR1 is 2:2 against the GT-R (we know its faster)

        You really can predict where these cars will finish in rough order. The GT-R is closest to the GT2 in track performance, anywhere tested.
        • 6 Years Ago
        My thoughts exactly. I would suggest Sabine Schmitz. She ought to be able to settle this.
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