• Feb 6, 2009
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The Carbon Motors E7, a purpose-built car for law enforcement, is continuing to march toward reality. Carbon Motors has targeted 2012 as the start of production, and cars can already be pre-ordered at the company''s website as a way to raise capital for the start of series production.

We'd love to get our hands on one of these, as the E7's technical details intrigue: a 3.0-liter turbodiesel engine, aluminum unit-body and performance numbers that leave Ford's old Crown Victorias sucking wind. The media might get a chance to try the E7 within about 18 months, and pricing will be announced at the end of this year. When it does reach local PDs, perps will have something new to fear and officers might finally have a modern vehicle that accommodates police work.


[Source: Straightline]


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      • 5 Years Ago
      First off, they're really going to have to find a way to make these cars cheap to fix and upkeep. An aluminum body does not do that, the cost of repair in a collision would surely prohibit the police from using the vehicle to end a high speed chase by strategically bumping the suspect with the front corner of the police vehicle. Police cars are frequently in accidents or damaged in some way due to the amount of time they are on the road.

      Also, diesel engines are not nearly as cheap to upkeep as gas ones. They also are much harder to get running right in cold weather and their new emissions systems don't like lots of idle time like the police do with them.

      Since the Crown Vic as a fleet vehicle will be gone soon, I imagine that Ford is working on the Taurus to replace it as a police vehicle. The ecoboost engine is supposed to get 17/23 which closes the gap a bit on fuel economy to this car. Plus, no matter what this company says, if one of these cars gets wrecked, it's too expensive to replace as opposed to transfering equipment from one car that's 1/3 the price to another.

      I doubt Carbon will be around by 2012 but who knows.

      • 5 Years Ago
      I have to go with the dissenters on this one.

      Police protection in this country has some major structural problems.

      Police use militarized SWAT teams, designed for high stakes hostage situations, to serve everyday low level warrants.

      Counties view giving tickets as a simple revenue source, and many place revenue collection over public safety of the motorways.

      The police are kept mostly busy by running in a hamster wheel with low level dope heads in the failed "War on Drugs", which studies consistently show is a poor way to deal with drug crime but certainly pours money out by the bucketload, reduces our idea of what "freedom" is, and invites abuse because of how easy it is to plant evidence to settle a score.

      In short, the police in this country have many problems. None of them having to do with the cruisers they drive.

      And, why the hell does it look so angry and agressive? "To serve and protect" with a scowl and a sneer?
      • 5 Years Ago
      OK So when is the yellow "Checker cab" version coming out? Should be a great seller, and a great niche market. It's about time someone does this.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Any mention of what the motor is pulled from??

      Great idea but it seems like it is going to be too pricey. Ford just basically needs to sell a Jag diesel with different body work over here then its good. Doesnt need to be this advanced because then it will not be affordable.
      • 5 Years Ago
      The attempt at aerodynamics is a welcome one, and a lot of the features are pretty cool. Like the inside of the rear doors having nothing on them, the built in computer up front, etc..

      But why does it have to look so damn oppressive? I mean, aggressive? No, oppressive.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The aluminum frame is concerning though, as aluminum will fatigue, cost more initially, and cost WAY more to repair, which can only be done at select body shops that can work with (and are certified to work with) aluminum.
      • 5 Years Ago
      as the old "outdated" Crown Victoria comes out of nowhere, pins it up against a pole and splits it in two haha...
        • 5 Years Ago
        Yeah -- how dare he question authority, right!

        Go about your business, citizens.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @rob

        what are you on?
      • 5 Years Ago
      wow. nice car! why cant us civilians get one of these jeez. cool interior.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The police are civilians too.
      • 5 Years Ago
      Likes:
      - Integrated computer system so there isn't a big, bulky MDT laptop bolted to the center of the dash.
      - How wide the rear doors open.
      - Carbon will reclaim the cars after their service life has ended. None will ever fall into civilian hands. No impersonators.
      - Built-in LED lights


      Dislikes:
      - Where's my spotlight?
      - Driver's right armrest. So in the same small space will be the seatbelt buckle, gun/holster, AND the armrest? Also, it looks like something to get snagged on when exiting the car. A level 1 holster (crap) could get popped open, then your firearm bounces out when you run. And finally, I don't like the gun/holster jabbing me in the leg/hip/ribs while seated. Doesn't look like much clearance.
      - Typing on that little touch screen keypad on the center console? Looks like it's below knee level. And touch screens aren't as easy to type on as a normal keyboard with its tactile feedback. An actual keyboard would be nice, but then we're halfway back to the current MDT setups.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I wonder if it might have voice input, negating the need for keyboard use...? The pics of the screens look like renderings - I wouldn't assume that's what they WILL look like...
      • 5 Years Ago

      What about a Pontiac G8 police model? It is big,RWD and has a V8 engine.
        • 5 Years Ago
        A Pontiac G8 isn't up to the task -- any task, really.

        It's a cheap POS. I rented one. The square center console (with the window controls) broke the first day. First-impressions (like when I got in), were okay, but they quickly deteriorated.

        It's the most overrated, over-hyped car I can think of, and they have a hell of a lot of nerve charging what they do for it. I wouldn't touch one for free, myself.

        Ummm....well... it had a rather large trunk. I can say that about it.

        Next ...

      • 5 Years Ago
      Change the taillights and it'd be a Hunter Citizen.
        • 5 Years Ago
        File a lawsuit? Against people who's word is the law? Against people who regularly break laws without any repercussions? Against people who could break into your house, and plant ANYTHING they wanted?

        You go right ahead.
        • 5 Years Ago
        I don't see how to go from a new cop car to a problem with jerk cops. What a weird traversal.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Welcome to Amerika. Submit or be destroyed. Any sign of questioning the system will result in Patriot Act Measure 134, Section C. No trial or jury, detainment and physical harm justifiable.

        Seriously. WTF. The last thing cops need is some car that looks like it's going to attack and blow stuff up. Keep in mind most cops are aggressive jerks who weren't cool in high school and are now on a power trip. They do NOT need this. They work for us, and are supposed to protect US. This is crap.
        • 5 Years Ago
        The Carbon Motors E7, a purpose-built car for law enforcement, is continuing to march toward reality....as the E7's technical details intrigue: a 3.0-liter turbodiesel engine, aluminum unit-body and performance numbers that leave Ford's old Crown Victorias sucking wind.

        I wonder what the..."Carbon" footprint is on this purportedly future "oil burning" cop-car....
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Rob

        No, I haven't. If you have, then I suggest you file a lawsuit in the appropriate court rather than making irrelevant posts about an inanimate object. Good luck sorting out your issues...
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Rob

        I don't usually resort to personal insults, but you are an idiot. The Carbon itself is just a tool to be used by Law Enforcement, a rather remarkable specialized tool at that.

        Please leave your ignorant anti-authoritarian rantings elsewhere.
        • 5 Years Ago
        Apparently you have never suffered the wrath of a cop on an ego-trip, who enjoys feeling powerful. Many cops are gigantic raging jerks who get off on putting other people down, since they're so insecure about themselves. I sincerely hope you have the pleasure of doing nothing wrong, nothing illegal, and suffering from 7 cops attacking you purely because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time and the guy in charge barked an order and pointed at the wrong person. Sincerely.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @ Rob

        So you're telling this whole forum that even though you were mistreated by the authorities, you're too scared to file a civil complaint?

        You really are a victim.
        • 5 Years Ago
        @Rob

        Don't taze me bro!
      • 5 Years Ago
      This is not an issue. Either the car will be less expensive than a crown vic or charger (or a V6/V8 Imp/FWD) or it won't sell. And it cannot be less expensive than a crown vic or charger given the economies of scale of the large auto companies, not to mention the maintenance/repair costs.

      The company may provide financing or even free cars to selected police forces but unless there is a viable business model behind the cars, they simply won't be used.


        • 5 Years Ago
        Crown Vic Police Interceptors and special police-use Dodge Chargers cost $40,000 and up. They aren't your 'average Joe' Crown Vic that you see on the dealer lots for around $20,000.
      • 5 Years Ago
      I just don't see this company being able to raise the amount of capital required to bring this to production. While it would likely be much better than a Crown Vic, police departments can get a Crown Vic for $20K, and all towns are hurting for money.
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