• Jan 21, 2009
Quick: Who is the world's largest automaker? General Motors or Toyota? Last year, the two brands were in a statistical dead heat after sales for all of 2007 were tallied, and debates raged as to which one of the two global giants had outsold the other. This year, there's no argument. The winner of the 2008 sales crown was Toyota by over 600,000 units (exact figures are due a bit later). This is quite an accomplishment for the Japanese automaker and reinforces the fact that GM's sales have been in decline for the last couple of decades after crushing all competitors and reigning as the worldwide leader in auto sales for 77 years. Still, the mood is hardly one of jubilation at Toyota as the rise to the top has not been without sacrifice. The automaker has lost both money and market share over the last few months, and the outlook for 2009 isn't shaping up to be much better.

[Source: CNN]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      Another "news" update: "Toyota puts 2 more psi of air into each tire of its vehicles compared to General Motors".
      • 6 Years Ago
      No suprise there.

      Toyota is, has always been, and will always be the best. Dont you domestic lovers forget it.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Pride always comes before the fall.

        Toyota will one day be unseated by Hyundai or someone from China.

        That is of course assuming the import lovers don't cause the world economy to collapse before then.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @ Justin

        Look we are not as Patriotic as you are, Mexican build Fusion is as American as guacamole.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Yeah, like being the bigger means being the best...

        In the past years climbing to the top, Toyota saw their quality going down.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Here is my Loigc:

        You continue to buy "imports" (it has nothing to do with them being made in america, hence the quotes), this causes the "domestics" to lose market share and eventually collapse. The collapse of the "domestics" creates a domino effect that collapses the US economy (or damages it greatly). Now that would be fine and dandy, except the "import" companies rely on the US for sales (take a look at Toyota and Honda or even BMW and Mercedes without the US market sales) and suppliers. The collapse of our economy thus causes them to not be able to sell cars or get parts locally, causing the "import" companies to collapse. Basically the entire things snowballs and blows up on us.

        Regardless of "american" content and or factory location. The "domestics" (and suppliers) support a lot of jobs. There are reasons Japan, China, and Germany support local manufacturing and the companies that are manufacturers. Also if you noticed, Toyota, Honda, et al where FOR the "loans" from the US Gov for GM and Chrysler, because they are WELL aware what an unorgnized collapse of them would cause.

        And yes, GM was too proud. Toyota is walking in the footsteps of GM just 30 years later. And yes Toyota quality has slipped, and if attitudes don't change over there it will continue to slip. The Japanese are no more perfect than we are.

        Toyota is Hitler to GM's Napolean both are stupid enough to think they can invade Russia in the Winter.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "That is of course assuming the import lovers don't cause the world economy to collapse before then."

        Can you explain your logic on how this will go down?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Wrong. Toyota quality has slipped in the USDM market, where alot of the cars are now made in US factories.

        Toyota quality is still the same in the EU and JDM market where cars are made in EU and Japan.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Best in what?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Jeremy, i wouldn't say the best. I think Honda overall makes better cars. But Toyota ofcourse knows what it is doing.

        People in here love to talk about 0-60, MPG and all that, but average consumer wants MPG and reliability. Think about it, if something goes wrong with a car you have to pay mechanic $200+ just to look at it. Toyota targets that audience that doesn't want to pay the mechanic.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Who cares. They both lost money...
      • 6 Years Ago
      Once you're at the top, the only way to go is down.

      All Toyota had to do to get there was to become what GM already was was make pickup trucks and ridiculously fuel-wasting SUVs.

      What could go wrong there?
      • 6 Years Ago
      For all you fellas that think that toyota's quality has dropped, show me proof.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Sludge in engines, busted camshafts, fuel rail recalls for starters.

        Toyota also has downgraded the quality of interior plastics. Been in a Toyota dealer this year?

        In fact when was the last time most of the import lovers stepped into a domestic dealership.

        Hell the tC uses materials that are on par with Chrysler, and that's hard rock plastic. I should know a co-worker of mine drives a tC, and the quality isn't impressive. He just put in a new throttle body at 40,000 miles. I don't know about you but my 1997 Grand Am may have been a pile of junk but I never replaced the throttle body on it and it ran for 97,000 miles until I busted the head gasket (by being an idiot).
      • 6 Years Ago
      I don't think any car buyer actually care who is the bigger company. The point is that people bought Toyota when it was selling less cars but much more reliable and well built. The point is that Toyota finally reached GM's status and production mind set of dumping as many cars as it can build. At the same time Ford is slowly but surely establishing cars and trucks that are safe, reliable, technologically advanced, and stylish. In a few years Toyota will be GM, and ironically probably looking at Ford wondering why they are losing consumers.
      • 6 Years Ago

      Well, if you track just about any measure OTHER than number of units sold (gross/net profitability, net profit per vehicle, etc) GM was eclipsed long ago.

      It would help if the Japanese market was as open as NA's, however. How many GM autos were sold in Japan last year ? 2300 ? Don't quote me on that figure, however.

      Chirs
      • 6 Years Ago
      ............yawn............
      • 6 Years Ago
      What else can i say?



      Toyota 4 Life
      • 6 Years Ago
      Had to do it,

      First like micheal phelps!!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Three words for you Justin...

        Elle. Oh. Elle.

        Srsly. Just ridiculous.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Ya, first douche like Phelps too. That guy annoys me to no end...

        So do people who think they need to say "first."
      • 6 Years Ago
      That's what happens when you're at the top. Everyone is shooting to beat you. And now w/ Toyota at the top. We'll start seeing Toyota losing market share and competiton getting pretty fierce, espically w/ the Koreans trying to take over Japanese share.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Toyota sells more, but Hondas are more fun.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Well said, but now it seems like Hondas are slowly becoming fun-lacking appliances like Toyota (in order to compete better). Thankfully, the Fit and Civic still have some spunk left in them.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Hey, we, the import-fans, should stay together :-) ....Mazda makes even less but it makes it way better.
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