• Dec 16, 2008
It's really hard to figure what's dumber here: the Detroit News "CyberSurvey" that asks, in the wake of the vandalism (four cars) that took place in the Detroit area over the weekend, "Is buying a foreign car un-American?" or the fact that 60% of respondents answer it in the affirmative. Good grief. A quick refresher for everyone: the American thing is to buy whatever car you like. That's one of the nice things about living here, having the freedom to make that choice without it becoming a litmus test on your patriotism. Expect more stuff like this as the histrionics regarding the Detroit bailout climb to new heights with each passing day that doesn't include a White House press conference making it official.

[Source: The Detroit News via TTAC]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      They should have a subsequent pole on that same site asking. Is shopping at Walmart un-American? I would like to see the results on that.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I don't mind Autoblog posting the survey...I do mind Autoblog calling me dumb for thinking it's actually wise to buy American products when you can. Patriotism isn't about being homo-nationalists, its about being practical. If we quit buying products we make here in the US...cars being one of the major industries...then who do we work for?

      McDonald's won't hire us if no one is buying THEIR products, cause no one has a job.

      Autoblog, you fumbled this one. The vandalism was bad, and stupid, but for you to imply that protecting our jobs, income and economy was dumb...was DUMB.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I didn't read the article as saying it is dumb to buy American.
        I think we all agree that the location of a vehicle's design, assembly, sale, and service can be a factor in one's purchase decision. It's just a larger factor for some buyers than it is for others, just like so many other purchase decision factors.
        What the article is commenting on is the Detroit News' implication that it's unamerican to consider any other factor above these location considerations, when many AB readers apparently believe that it is even more unamerican to tell me what my vehicle priorities should be, rather than letting me gather information and decide for myself.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "It's really hard to figure what's dumber here: the Detroit News "CyberSurvey" that asks, in the wake of the vandalism (four cars) that took place in the Detroit area over the weekend, "Is buying a foreign car un-American?" or the fact that 60% of respondents answer it in the affirmative."

        I didn't take the survey, but if I had, I'd have been one of the "60% of respondents who answered it in the affirmative."

        I stand by what I said. Freedom to buy what you want is fine, but if you need a car, and an American model is available that meets your needs and wants, then buying foreign is not only un-American, it's short-sighted and foolish.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I bet 60% of those polled are not even well educated.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Your commentary "buy whatever you like" is exactly what I keep reminding some of my older friends. They beat the 'buy American' drum and I reply that if America produces what comsumers want then that will happen.
      stealthebeatles
      • 6 Years Ago
      Autoblog should really stay out of things like this. I don't need them to tell me what it means to be American.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        Japanese buy small, quirky cars which no other manufacturer makes. If you say Neon, then your credibility is out the window.


        Also what's wrong with expressing opinion. And what is it anyway to be "Un-American"? I still don't get that one. Bashing aspects of American culture? Politicians? Government? Cars that no one wants? No steel industry? Education lacking far behind? Freshmen in college not being able to put a coherent sentence together? UAW workers slashing tires of foreign cars in Woodhaven...what if victims were teachers, volunteers for Humane Society, or American Cancer Association?

        Of course that's all just make-up stuff. America is perfect, #1 #1 #1 #1 wooooo....gooooo NASCAR!
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        Who are you to tell Autoblog what to do?

        they have to give you something to discuss.

        so criticize the news or article but stay out of criticizing autoblog.

        Relevant to this, I don't think buying foreign is un-American, but it would be nice to see more people trying to help this automakers improve their vehicles instead of going out of business.

        countries like North Korea sell vehicles here in the USA but in their countries American cars are not welcome by the public and receive higher taxes. What I am trying to say is that America has an open market without many restrictions, just meeting the USA standards while other countries raise the price of American cars, tax them, etc. I think its time to help our economy first.
        stealthebeatles
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        Torrent: I wouldn't have minded if they just put a link to it and stated what it was, but what they did is qualify why the poll is bad, and give their own opinion of what it is to be American. While I'm usually the last person to complain about the content of this website, I don't like how they went about this in a number of ways. I was just making it known that was how I felt

        arturo: I really hope that you're trying hard to upset people. First, I was criticizing the article, but I guess I need to state that more explicitly for your tastes. Second, North Korea does not sell cars here. Hyundai is from South Korea. North Korea has much bigger problems than buying cars from America (such as getting food).

        I, personally, don't want to buy a car new from a Japanese manufacturer simply because the Japanese market is a bit anti-competition, and Japanese consumers are a bit xenophobic (they will buy something made in Japan before the equivalent product made somewhere else, with relatively little regard to any price/quality difference). In that sense, I feel we are better off buying from domestic manufacturers, provided that they have a competitive product out. However, as much as I feel this way, I wouldn't want to force my feelings onto others.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        "countries like North Korea sell vehicles here in the USA"

        name a North Korean car that is sold in the US.



        "What I am trying to say is that America has an open market without many restrictions, just meeting the USA standards while other countries raise the price of American cars, tax them, etc."

        incorrect. at one point in time that may have been the case. for instance there was a period of time that the US *did* have grey market cars. that era is long gone.

        if you see a car you'd like to own made in another country... good luck! you have to wait 25 years before you can import it. why? because the domestic manufacturers would die off in an instant if there was a relatively unregulated open market.

        in OTHER countries it isn't necessarily like this... the UK has tons of grey market importers. to compete with importers... you actually have to make a non-crap price competitive domestic product. that was something the Big 3 couldn't stand for... hence the functional impossibility nowadays of for instance you seeing a Mondeo from Europe or a Falcon from Australia or any number of cars from Japan and instead of saying 'man! i wish i could buy one of those!' you could... ya know... ACTUALLY BUY ONE.

        open market without many restrictions my ass.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        No, that is not Autoblog`s job. It`s ls1vette`s job to tell how all of you are un-American. Go see his posts, he uses the American flag to "catch his load" after watching men drive around in circles for 500 miles.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @stealthebeatles
        They're not telling you what it means to be American. It's a poll on a website outside of Autoblog. It's about Autos (Operative word: 'Autos') so they're gonna post it.
      • 6 Years Ago
      When I was a young adult I tried to show my loyalty to America by buying "made in America" goods, even when they were inferior and more costly. To my dismay, I started to see big corporations move their jobs oversea's and started hearing rumors that companies were importing workers from Mexico and laying off citizens. This trend has continued and spiraled out of control...even Wal Mart ended up being a sell out after Sam passed on, in the name of profit and at the expense of the country which had enriched it.

      Why do these big corporations deserve my loyalty/money? Do they when their products are poorer quality? Do they when they go to 3rd world countries so they can hire cheap/slave labor and drive the wages down for the people living in a first world country? Do they when rather than selling their products where they are made, bring them to 1st world countries and sell them to the people they don't benifit via employment for their maximized profits? I don't think that they do.

      I still try to support the Ma and Pa shops, but if a big corporations isn't loyal to America I see no reason to be loyal to that corporation. For the most part I'm better off buying better products from Germany from people who might not be loyal to the US but are at least loyal to something (such as high quality, German workers, etc) more worthwhile than personal greed and power.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Right on, Autoblog! Polls like this just feed the fires of patriotism that suggest freedom of choice is some how 'un-American'. It's precisely that choice that makes America what it is! detnews needs to have its head re-examined by posting such a poll. It may be their right to post it, but it doesn't help matters either.
        • 6 Years Ago
        There wouldn't need to an ad with 'European' designed cars if their American equivalents weren't throwbacks from a decade ago.

        However, I will concede advertising 'German' engineering is just as bad. But that really falls under 'douchebaggery' if I hear it mentioned, so I guess the ad isn't really aimed at me.
      • 6 Years Ago
      GM, particularly Buick, is doing quite well in China. Also in Europe... and Brazil. Australia... Hummer is huge in Dubai.

      They too mostly use local ops to build their cars like Toyota does here.

      China is a bit of a special case true, but eh.

      Ford is a top of the line car company in Europe.

      Japan has regulations requiring very small cars. I don't know about any real trade barriers--- the WTO is pretty good about knocking those down. Certainly if the domestics had wanted to they could have gotten them knocked down. But the regs for small cars there (very cramped country) pretty much kills any hope for the domestics there as they can't build a good small car for shit and you know it. Also, they never really tried to sell in Japan; there was a Saturn dealership there for about 14 months before they gave up.

      Please drop the canard that the domestics can't compete overseas--- if their north american ops were as good as their foreign ones they wouldn't be in this mess. Their foreign ops are the only profitable parts of the company these days!

      The domestics done f***** up, that's all their is to it. This isn't an unbalanced playing field; they can and do play well in other countries. This is them being lazy and unwilling to change HERE.

      Sorry to break it to ya'll, but it's just cause they had blinders on, just like the Detroit fanbois, and let it come to this pass because they couldn't imagine it ever happening.


      • 6 Years Ago
      There is nothing "un-american" in buying a foreign car. If I buy a Mercedes, I know I have a quality car, if I buy Ford or GM I know it is sh... How about if the Germans decide to buy only German, the British only British (ah.. they dont have any cars anymore) or if the rest of the world would buy only national, Americans would be the first in line to complaint. Americans, build better cars which are economical, not measured by the cup-holders in the car, but by the performance and it may change everything.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Fitting, considering the same people who voted in that poll buy their "American" cars that were Hecho en Mexico, while the "imports" they vandalize are often assembled in, you guessed it, America...
        • 6 Years Ago
        So true, it boggles my mind sometime - just goes to show a lot of Americans are just plain Ignorant. Jay Leno proves this every time he does the "Jay Leno asking questions on the street" clip.

      • 6 Years Ago
      Don't fuel the flames, Autoblog. This is much like a poll on some ricer site if "American cars are ***t"

      Both sides are extreme.
        • 6 Years Ago
        I don't see why anyone would even defend any company and say it's 'American' to side with it. The companies don't do the same, it's not like they chose Flint over Mexico just because it was 'American'. Being American is acting in your self-interest (which Nunez points out), whether you are a company or an individual. It's the same as saying it's 'American' to side with the majority party in the government. If you truly believe siding with a corporation on sentimental reasons--or the government on policy--is what it means to be 'American', then you need to reevaluate your 'patriotism'.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Competition is healthy. If you can find a better car, buy it! Americans can build the best. Union wages not even a factor. Executive decides on what goes into a car and what America wants. Anyone ever heard of MCM. More profits but the quality of the cars goes down. Who can make that decision. Not the workers. I think the off shore auto companies build some great vehicles but we can build just as good.
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