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The Nissan GT-R set the 'Ring on fire back in April with a single lap of 7:29. That news didn't go over well in Germany, where team Porsche insinuated that Nissan cheated by using a non-standard GT-R to achieve the supersonic time. Porsche even took a bone-stock GT-R to the 'Ring and its chief test track driver could only manage a 7:54. Nissan defended its time as legit and has provided solid evidence to support its case, but Porsche established enough doubt for Drivers Republic to bring a GT2 and GT-R to the famed Nürburgring to see which vehicle was faster.

Drivers Republic put both cars in the hands of an accomplished Nürburgring veteran, Chris Harris, who is also the author of this excellent article. Both vehicles were stock, except the Japanese-spec GT-R had its limiter removed. The Nissan also had Bridgetone rubber at the corners, which are actually different than the stickier Dunlops that Tochio Suzuki utilized during his 7:29 run. Nissan claims the soon-to-be-standard Dunlops are five seconds faster, but that's when in the hands of Mr. Suzuki who is one this planet's preeminent 'Ring racers. The track was wet during the run, which you would think favors the AWD GT-R, though Harris claims the GT2 felt faster in a straight line. You're probably dying to know which vehicle came out on top, and while we will tell you that one car was nine seconds faster than the other, you'll have to follow the read link below to find out for yourself.



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      • 6 Years Ago
      after that test:
      porsche : 7:32 - true
      Nissan: 7.29 - lie

      in dry conditions:
      porsche: still 7:32 with proper brakes
      Nissan : ~7:40 with fading brakes

      conclusion:
      if u have the money, go and buy the GT2. There is only one winner for true race junkies

      • 6 Years Ago
      I don't understand the people trying to defend the GT-R here. It turned in a great time. It also was slower under equivalent conditions than a GT2, which is what Porsche said would happen.

      Sounds like Porsche won this argument.

      The GT-R is still a great car.
      • 6 Years Ago
      the point is the GT-R is overhyped. Period. Great Car. But WAAAAY overhyped. Kind of like Obama. Only difference is the press would never allow a real world examination of him. Still a great car. But it's about time the truth came out. And once again. The ACR and the ZR1 spank this foreign trash like it's nobody's business. Just wait until they work at it. Easily gonna knock seconds off. Nice try Nissan.
      • 6 Years Ago
      How much does a GTR cost, and a GT2.

      Are you kidding me, tires, suspension, whatever, the GTR is competitive and I can own a few other cars (heck a 911) for the price of 1 GT2
        • 6 Years Ago
        @rockinrobbie, you are on to something with your post! Leave enough dough for a superbike and you have things covered.
      • 6 Years Ago
      Loved the website, that was a really nice internet experience.

      I am glad the GT2 won. But the author is right. This loss, in no way has diminished the masterpiece that is the GTR.
      • 6 Years Ago
      I bet that nissan now will attempt to do this run again.
      Sqube27
      • 6 Years Ago
      So you used a different driver, different tires, and got different results?

      Smack my ass and call me Shirley! How could something like that happen?
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Sqube27
        Exactly! just a reason to get the germans to fight the japanese. come on guys u were friends not to long ago. Axis powers remember.

        Amazingly fast cars more for everyone why squibble like school children.
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Sqube27
        lol :D GDUB
      • 6 Years Ago
      What I want to know is why the GT2? Why not the Turbo, which I think stacks up a lot better. To me I see nothing wrong with a $75k car losing to a $200k car by 6 seconds on an 8 minute lap.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Everyone seems to have lost sight of this fact: the Nissan GT-R was never meant to be a direct competitor to the GT2, the ZR1 or Viper ACR. It's a Z06 and 911 Turbo competitor, and anyone in their right mind will conclude that it does it's job on that front. For a true GT2/ZR1/ACR competitor, I say wait for the V-Spec.
        • 6 Years Ago
        my thoughts exactly.
      • 6 Years Ago
      the different between GT2 and GT-R no matter what tires are on the GT-R...

      The GT-R lost EVERY compare vs the GT2 outside Nissan factory claims, ex Nissan race driver Steve Millen track tests.

      GT-R lost vs GT2

      TopGear UK (GT2 on partly damp track faster as GT-R in the dry)
      TopGear Aussi (not even close)
      Tsukuba 5lap best motoring battle
      quattroroute Vairano (Alain Prost not even close)
      Auto Club Speedway (R&T)
      Silverstone (Drivers Republic)
      Las Vegas Motorspeedway (MT)
      Anglesey National (Carmagazine/Autoexpress)

      One word to northloop factory and independent tests..

      Porsche factory claim for the GT2 northloop
      7:32min
      this laptime was reached twice in independent car magazine tests...
      7:32.9min sportscars (full lap 20.8km)
      7:33min sportauto (20.6km lap like Nissan use)
      7:49min drivers republic (partly damp 20.6km) = 17seconds slower as factory claim

      GT-R
      7:29.03min factory calim (20.6km)
      7:50min sportauto (early testmule 20.6km)
      7:54min Porsche testdriver (20.6 or 20.8km?)
      7:55.9min drivers republic (partly damp/Bridgstone tires 20.6km) = 27seconds slower as factory claim

      17s off factory claim with a car that has already proven factory claims in two independent tests because of track conditions and according to the test driver Chris Harris 5seconds of the 17 allone from driving mistakes..

      27s off factory claim with a car that only has a factory claim to back up.
      Porsche does not belive Nissan
      Horst von Saumra(sportauto) does not belive the car can do under 7:40min in stock trim (he has driven the 7:50min with the testmule)
      Chris Harris does not belive the Nissan claim... after reaching 7:55.9min with Bridgstone tires and partly damp conditions.. this guy regulary race the Ring in VLN

      The only thing that can rescue Nissan is a sub 7:40min time in the sportauto supertest with a production car... if not I am with Porsche and Chris Harris calling Nissan cheater..
      • 6 Years Ago
      Lol, DR's test was supposed to be a sort of an end-all. All it did was begin another huge debate on the internet...

      But the GT-R offers incredible performance for the price and in all but the best drivers' hands the GT-R might have won with it being able to offer so much more confidence to the driver.
      • 6 Years Ago
      You guys are pathetic making the claims about the tires.
      You must've forgotten about the GT2 being RWD. Not the best for the conditions they drove in. You would imagine the GTR's AWD would have the advantage here, but it didn't.

      GTR fanboys = sore losers.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Uhhh... wet traction is far more about rubber than drivetrain.

        I've driven powerful RWD cars with really good wet tires, and powerful AWD cars with just OK wet tires.

        I'd rather have the RWD car with the awesome wet tires.

        Tires make huge differences in many conditions. You're ignorant to ignore that fact.
      • 6 Years Ago
      So they have the money to spend to rent out the Nurburgring, use a VBOX, hire a professional driver, have a nifty mounted camera... but they can't afford to swap out the tires to the Dunlopes? Are you kidding me?

      The test only showed that Porsche's purported "GT-R is 30 seconds slower" as being garbage. It also showed a bit of dubious impartiality when proclaiming the Porsche as winner even they're not using the right tires. The Bridgestone runflats are slower than the Dunlopes.

      Might as well stick some General UHPs on the GT-R and have it go against the Porsche. Tires are one of the most important factors to lap times. They were either too cheap, or too stupid to swap out the tires.

      Funny how they can believe the GT2 as pulling off their stated time, yet don't extend that same speculation to the GT-R. Sounds like eloquent fanboyism to me.

      Oh, and the 7:29 time was video-taped, and was observed by a third-party publication (Best Motoring). People need to get over it already.
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