• Nov 20, 2008
It appears that GT-R owners won't have to worry about voiding their warranties if they use Launch Control -- for the 2010 model year, the car won't come with the feature. Inside Line is quoting a Nissan exec as saying "It's gone. We just don't want to deal with the warranty nightmare anymore. It'll make the 2009 GT-R really special. It'll be the only R35 with launch control."

We've previously reported cases where Nissan GT-R owners have brought their cars to the dealership with transmission trouble only to be told their warranties won't cover it. It turns out that disabling the car's VDC (Vehicle Dynamic Control) too often, in order to use the Launch Control function, meant Nissan wasn't covering the repairs. The cost to fix/replace the transmission is only $20,000, so you can imagine owners weren't too upset. Apparently the GT-R owner's manual states that damage to the transmission is not covered if it is proven to be the result of using Launch Control with the VDC turned off. In fact, the manual states that the only reason you should turn off VDC is to "rock" the vehicle when stuck in mud or snow. We await Nissan's revised performance numbers. Thanks for the tip, Mike!

UPDATE: Nissan just contacted us to say, "No final decision has been made about the inclusion of launch control on the MY2010 GT-R." So, for now at least, Inside Line's report is just speculation.

[Source: Inside Line]


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      • 6 Years Ago
      What I find curious is:

      1.) Why are the transmissions failing, rather than just eating the clutches?

      2.) Why is a transmission replacement 25% of the cost of the vehicle?!
        • 6 Years Ago
        'They' went that way because it's faster around a road course. Near instant, perfect shifts almost constant torque transfer to the wheels. It'll beat any human shifted manual around a road course. That's why the dual clutch trannies becoming the transmission of choice on high performance cars.

        With the FWD cars, I'm sure it'll hold up to a LOT of launches. I had a FWD turbo car putting down 250whp/wtq and you coud launch it all day long. I have an Evo now and will NEVER launch it. Why? It's a HUGE amount of strain on the AWD drivetrain and will kill the clutch very quickly. That's the reason why Mitsu put a 5k rpm limiter (while out of gear) on Evos starting with the 2005 model year; they found out pretty quickly that people were launching all over the place and they were paying tons of warrenty. As an example, a friend of mine got one of the first 03s and was at the drag strip with 300 miles on the car. He took it in for warrenty for a new clutch at 3k miles. AWD is not kind to any type of clutch.
        • 6 Years Ago
        In the dual clutch trannys, it's basically all one integrated unit. You can't just change out the clutch packs without completely disassembling the tranny.

        The transimission is one $$$ piece of equipment. If they sold the car for double, the tranny cost would only be 12.5% of the vehicle cost ;)
        • 6 Years Ago
        I totally understand that it performs spectacularly under the right conditions. However, they knew from the start that people would be beating these cars to death. I just feel that if this level of performance is going to cause failures of this severity, this type of setup belongs in a racecar and not on a street car.

        Untrained consumers should not be responsible for repairs amounting to 25% of the vehicle's cost when the repair is a result of the intended use of the design.
      • 6 Years Ago
      LC was a feature that never should have been installed on GT-R in first place, and now it's turning into a nightmare for the company (bad PR), and the customers.

      Honestly who the hell would ever bother reading the manual?! Only bald guys with glasses and no social life.

      So this is a screw-up on Nissan's part...LC is idiotic anyways...too dorky & geeky.
        • 6 Years Ago
        They had to have the really-low 0-60 I guess. Even though 0-60 doesn't help at the track and doesn't really come into play on the street unless you are driving it like you stole it.

        So this new version will be just as good a performer as the previous one, but the rated figures will have to change in order to remain honest.
      • 6 Years Ago
      "the manual states that the only reason you should turn off VDC is to "rock" the vehicle when stuck in mud or snow."

      That happen alot? An expensive sports car stuck in the mud?
      • 6 Years Ago
      I own both a GT-R and a Ferrari 430. After only 3 launches on my 430, the clutch went, and has been giving me problems ever since. I have made at least 20 launches on the GT-R and it continues to feel like new. The GT-R is an incredible tool, never ceases to amaze at its capabilities. The brakes are in another league compared to the 430 or Gallardo, the handling is brilliant and the speed off the line without launch is stunning. Here in Singapore it is owned as a second or third car by many Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo owners (Sorry Corvette owners, there are non here!). All say the same thing: If you see a GT-R in your rear view mirror, move over!
      • 6 Years Ago
      Problem with re enabling it would be with computers and that "Little Black Box".. that the dealers would be able to tell it was tampered with.

      Hopefully we will be able to see what it can do withOUT launch control and get a true measure of the cars performance now.

      Are there ant current magazine tests that have already tested it with Launch control on?

      My 350z was slow as all hell when the VDC was still on.. the slightest slip and it would cut and buck the power on and off..
      • 6 Years Ago
      The ZR1 fanboys come out of the woodwork!
      -Prepare for immanent nuclear war-
        • 6 Years Ago
        Please Excuse Spelling

        -THX
        • 6 Years Ago
        Apparently this car will run 11's all day in the 1/4-mile in Auto mode with NO launch control.

        There are only 2 GT-Rs in the 10s right now and both have 600whp or more.

        So difference between a stock GT-R with no LC vs. a 600whp GT-R with LC? Less than a second in the 1/4-mile.

        The LC just dumped the clutch for you. That was a stupid feature when you can go 99% as fast just by mashing the gas from a dead stop. And that doesn't void warranty.

        LC added a little fun factor, but the car is still by no means slow.

        http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26447&st=0&p=374271&#entry374271
        • 6 Years Ago
        That's funny, I was almost certain you were going to say the difference between the two was lipstick.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Now would all the chumps who favor this sissy automatic transmission please get in line for their well deserved b*itchslappin!

        Put a real trasmission in that car, give it a beefier clutch and a skilled driver and that car will get out of the hole just fine. The EVO and STI guys have been doing just fine.

        Serves these ladies right that now their car is going to launch like my uncle's Town Car.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Congrats to HybridMT getting 11.69 in the 1/4. A guy by the name of Ranger got 11.22 in the 1/4 in a bone stock Z06 with factory tires.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y-Fq306rzI

        then he went and got a 10.85 in the same stock Z06 with drag radials.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=469NvIOiz7U

        The guys who got their GT-Rs early and paid $10,000 over MSRP were lucky, now the MSRP is $7,000 more no matter what, AND you don't get launch control!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Ha! LOLZ at LS7.
      • 6 Years Ago
      The US customers just can't drive is all. Thats why the LC is going away. I wrote about some ideas on how to fix the Nissan GT-R Transmission. Overall very few have failed, but the few are loud, and the majority thats happy is quiet.

      http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2008/10/how-to-fix-nissan-gt-r-transmission.html
      • 6 Years Ago
      my question is why Nissan's $85,000 gtr cant handle its launch control, but Chevy's $23,000 cobalt SS can?

      i understand that there is quite a difference in power, but still, the cobalt is no slouch when it comes to power. i just don't understand why a car that is only a few thousand dollars away from being a $100k vehicle doesn't have sufficient engineering to handle the best performance feature it has?
        • 6 Years Ago
        Its the AWD aspect.. when cobalt puts the power down..the tires just spin..

        When AWD does it.. the whole drivetrain can twist..

        This is a good and bad thing with AWD.. lets you get off the line quicker.. but gives you too much grip that puts undue stress on the drivetrain..

        I understand that aspect of things.. but I want to see what the "SAFE" hp/torque through the drivetrain will give people..

        I dont think many people would complain if they only loose 1-2 tenths in the 0-60 and quarter mile..

        Or Nissan could do a Hennessey type thing (the 1000hp viper) doesnt hit full hp until like 80mph.. which is a neat feature.. and helps save traction/tires etc..

        It is ashame that you can't have the launch control.. but what if people are doing it hundreds of times.. do anything hundreds of times.. it going to cost excess wear on it..
        • 6 Years Ago
        "my question is why Nissan's $85,000 gtr cant handle its launch control, but Chevy's $23,000 cobalt SS can?"

        4WD, enough grip to leave creases on the tarmac, and a whole bunch of stupid drivers thinking it's a damn playstation game.
        • 6 Years Ago
        "perhaps the GTR simply isn't as perfectly engineered under every single aspect as Nissan has made the world believe.."

        You can't engineer against stupidity. Idiots will find one way or another to break things.
        • 6 Years Ago
        perhaps the GTR simply isn't as perfectly engineered under every single aspect as Nissan has made the world believe..
      • 6 Years Ago
      Next, look for the dealers to start disabling Launch Control through a software change, when GT-Rs are brought in for service.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Why? They get paid when you break it.
      • 6 Years Ago
      props to nissan for fixing this problem by making it disappear... literally!!!
      • 6 Years Ago
      Where is that Proud Japan dude? LOL
      • 6 Years Ago
      I highly doubt it was just 1 or 2 people that made Nissan rethink this "Launch Control feature".

      Also, LS2/LS7 - I agree.. re enabling it will lead to voiding your warranty..

      My comment was merely that the GTR has a black box so they can PROVE that you tampered with it.

      If you found a way to disable it.. then re enabled it before taking to the dealer.. they would probably be able to tap in and see that there was a disruption of the VDC therefore voiding your warranty..

      My main thing is.. lets see what it can do with the VDC on.. if the old numbers were 3.5 and 11.7 (JUST AN EXAMPLE) and the new ones are 4.1 and 12.4

      Does it change a lot of peoples perspective? I mean then it puts roughly near an M3/Z06 ranges..roughly...

      I know it would change my perspective.. also if they turned on the vdc and the "ring" time jumped 20-30 seconds... that would really suck!
        • 6 Years Ago
        Actually this car can still run 11's all day without LC.

        One member has been dragging his GT-R with VDC on, repeatably, warranty intact, and gotten an 11.8, 11.7, and now 11.69 just by perfecting his method.

        There's another member that ran an 11.9 on the first try and another an 11.75 the first try.

        http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=26447&st=0&p=374271&#entry374271
        • 6 Years Ago
        @Amien,

        Yeah, I wonder if they'll chose to lower it by 0.1-0.3 just because people are used to 'rinse-and-repeat' computer-managed LC times.

        Its not like everyone is going to get in the 3's every time in a ZR1. And thats not an insult, that applies to me too.

        I've never driven a 638hp RWD car before. I'm sure my first try I'd be in the 5's in a cloud of smoke. But based on my first try shouldn't mean GM can't quote what the car is capable of.

        Same story here, let the lazy buy a car and brag about it going 0-60 in 3.8, when actually only the good drivers can.
        • 6 Years Ago
        VDC is not traction control. It is Vehicle Dynamics Controls ( A VSC, not TRAC) so it in turn effects everything the car does, cornering too hard, etc. etc. So I highly doubt that the fastest lap on the ring was done with VDC on.
        • 6 Years Ago
        Uhm, not sure i understand you correctly here.
        Firstly, Turning OFF VDC is what causes your transmission parts to not be covered IF they were damaged due to said turning off of VDC(now i know why people just say "voided" so much quicker :P ).

        If there is no launch control, you have no excuse turning off the VDC. Where did laptimes come into the picture? The only thing this affects acceleration from a dead stop.
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